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PARABLE of opposite and knowledge !


There was a great King who had an everlasting kingdom. He ruled the whole land and His subjects did not know, nor understand nor comprehended the King’s Majestic Greatness because they had nothing to compare it to.
So the King had an idea, He called one of His outstanding servant T’nepres, one of the brightest and smartest in His kingdom and He said to him.
I will divide My kingdom into two so that My people can see and comprehend My greatness and have something to compare it to.
I will build My kingdom and you can build your own kingdom so that all, in both kingdoms can see the difference and will know and fully comprehend My greatness.
I will give you the authority and power to do as you please, even to the extent as to deceive my people if possible.

T’nepres immediately went and crowned himself king and quickly established his own kingdom  and proclaimed his ambition that he will sit above the throne of the great King and rule both of the kingdoms.

As time went on and both kingdoms reached to the ends of the earth.  
It came about that the great King disguised Himself as an ordinary citizen and performed great signs, wonders and miracles among the people in hope that they would turn back to Him, and He showed His loving kindness in order to win the hearts of all the people for Himself.
                                                                                        
But T’nepres seized the opportunity to present himself in the place of the great King as the mighty king and as the true king and ruler of both kingdoms.
Through his craftiness and deception he won most of the people's hearts but some were divided in their minds.
As the battle went on and the division between the two kingdoms became stronger in contrast, the people of the great King rejoiced exceedingly as their eyes were opened to the greatness of their great King and His glory and majesty.


It was in the division that unity was understood.
It was only when darkness increased that the light of the great King shined brighter.

Good was known the moment when evil emerged.   
And only in the absence of war peace is revealed, and neither did they know love until hate was unleashed.   
Righteousness was understood in the presence of wickedness, and it is in the defeat that victory was achieved.       
And only when foolishness increased , that wisdom raised the head, and the truth was known in the presence of the liar.
By Paul G.

 
(John 10:6), This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which He had been saying to them.           

Jesus answered them, To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has NOT been granted. For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. (Matthew 13:11-12)

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PARABLE of opposite and knowledge !
Posted by Paul G Friday, October 20, 2017

206 Comments:

Blogger No Doubt said...

In case, you forgot. A parable is a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some religious truth. Your post is a nice imaginative story, but has no Biblical backing as to qualify it as the truth.

God did not deliberately split his kingdom.
God did not give half to a servant, little alone Satan.

Satan does exactly as you do. He interweaves falsehoods, lies, into the truth, and leads people away.

All I ask is that anyone who may read this, follow the two commandments, laid out in Acts 17:11.

1. Read Paul's Post.
2. Check out it's validity or truthfulness with the scriptures. The Spirit will lead you into the Truth of God.

Finally, to understand the Mysteries of Heaven and of God, you must start with the truth and that is God's Word.

October 29, 2017 1:24 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Thank you my friend for your comment.
That’s what I like about you :-)

Most Christian blogs only post my comments on their comment-section when I give them a compliment or tell them how great and awesome they are, especially the Bible scholars and all those who like to call themselves ‘Pastors’ and ‘Reverend’ etc.

Perhaps like T’nepres who built his own church (kingdom) and proclaimed himself to be the head (Pastor), but would NOT submit himself to the ONLY ONE and TRUE King of kings and Lord of lords Jesus Christ (Rom. 9:5).


You said, “God did not deliberately split his kingdom. God did not give half to a servant, little alone Satan.”

Is that right ? Then what did He do ?
Did someone else snatched the Kingdom out of God’s hand or what ?
And I did not say that He gave half of His Kingdom to someone else.

And please tell me, WHICH God are you talking about ?
Are you talking about a god called Jehovah ? or is it Yahweh ? or perhaps T’nepres ? :-)

October 29, 2017 8:47 PM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is idiotic. You may not have said "give half the kingdom" in those words buy what you did say means and implies the same thing. If someone splits his own kingdom up and tells someone to do something with it, that is exactly the same thing as giving it to them.

Your parable is not a parable basically Keith said. You only meant it as an allegory. You thought it was intelligent and thought provoking but it sounds more like how vulcans got split from romulans on star trek.

Plus a kingdom divided can not stand. Your "parable" falls short in so many ways. It doesn't mean anything.

October 29, 2017 10:34 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim. That would be you. I know of no Biblical support for your parable. I’m an open-minded person, led by the Spirit of God. Please present your proof of what appears to be speculation.

October 30, 2017 12:35 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Anonymous, you need to read the Bible and not star-trek :-)

You said, “Plus a kingdom divided can not stand. Your "parable" falls short in so many ways. It doesn't mean anything.”

If there is only ONE Kingdom, how would you know what a Kingdom is ?
If there is only ONE King, how would you know what a King is ?

How could you compare or understand ?
Without a division it is impossible to understand or comprehend and that is exactly the reason why King Jesus said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has NOT been granted.”

Now, judge yourself, whether you are “YOU” or “THEM” ?

October 30, 2017 8:30 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, if there is no Biblical support and you claim to be an open-minded person, then tell me, how is it that there are TWO kingdoms, the kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness ? the Kingdom of King Jesus and the kingdom of Satan ?

October 30, 2017 8:32 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, where is there any Biblical reference to the two kingdoms?

October 30, 2017 11:21 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...


Keith, if there is one kingdom, then there has to be another kingdom, and God has rescued us from the kingdom of Satan and has transferred us to the Kingdom of His beloved Son in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins (Colossians 1:13-14).

And Satan led the Lord Jesus up and showed Him all the kingdoms of this world in a moment of time, and Satan said, I will give You all this domain and it’s glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore if You worship me, it shall all be Yours. (Luke 4:5-7.

October 30, 2017 7:52 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, I agree that Satan is the god of this world. However, you said that God split his kingdom and gave half to Satan. There is no Biblical basis for that.

October 30, 2017 10:58 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Keith, Satan is the god of this world, and that is because people believe in him and worship him.

You see, for you to know the TRUE God you need to know the FALSE god.
You cannot know the true God unless you know the false god, for God has divided the false god from the true God and you cannot amalgamate the two.
One without the other is meaningless, and the same is with God’s Kingdom.
Actually, that is the foundation of all the Lord's creation starting in Genesis.

So, when it says in Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God !”, you need the know WHICH God ?

The title “God” alone has no meaning to you, nor can you have an understanding. It is exactly the same as the knowledge of good and evil in the Kingdom of God (Genesis 2:17), and look, in the next verse the Lord Jesus divided the MAN (His perfect image).
You wouldn’t even know what a man is if He did not divide the man and made a WOman :-)

So, here again, if the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the “God” of Genesis 1:1, then necessity demands that you believe that Satan is the god of Genesis 1:1.
Remember, there is only one true God Jesus Christ and one false god the devil.

If you say that Jehovah is the God of Genesis 1:1 then obviously you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the TRUE God of all creation and you will ascribe that glory which belongs to Jesus Christ to Satan.

October 31, 2017 10:50 AM   Edit
Anonymous Brenda said...

Hi Paula, just had the Internet set up and able to use it on my mobile. Had a quick read of your post and immediately noticed you said that the great King called one of his outstanding servants, one of the brightest in his kingdom. I am do not believe that the Lord would call T'nepres ('serpent') in reverse an outstanding and bright servant in His Kingdom.

November 01, 2017 1:31 AM   Edit
Anonymous Brenda said...

Sorry,my predictive text called you Paula.

November 01, 2017 1:33 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Hi Brenda, it’s good to hear from you, surely you are very observant :-)

Well then, do you think that the serpent (the devil) is stupid ?
And tell me, appart from the Lord Jesus Christ who is smarter (brighter) than the devil ?

November 01, 2017 7:58 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Once again, Paul, you refuse to provide supporting Biblical proof, to support your tale. You continue to interweave supposition with some truth and expect us to swallow it. The remnant cannot and will not be fooled, by such satanic practices.

I also have to admit that I tricked you by referencing 2 Cor 4:4. I also notice how excited you got by my pseudo-affirmation that Satan is the God of your world. I bet that made you jump for joy to hear those words. He is the one you serve. In reality, Satan's name isn't even mentioned in the 2 Corinthians reference to the god of this world. In fact, if you look up any reference to Satan, in the Bible, you'll find the true story, not your fictional, build up Satan higher than he actually is, story.

God, alone, is the God of creation. He has never given anything over to Satan. He has allowed Satan, who was a bright and beautiful servant, to rule this age, after he sinned against God. He rules only by deceiving people, like you, to do his will. That will end soon. According to John 12:31; 16:11 and 2 Cor 4:4, he magistrates, not rules, this world and according to the book of Job, God keeps your master on a very short leash.

So, as always, I supply Biblical support, to shed the light of truth, revealing the falsehoods, in your post.

Why don't you start reading the Bible, for yourself.

November 02, 2017 7:30 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, you have said “God, alone, is the God of creation.“
What does that mean ?
Every Muslim, Catholic and all unbelievers say exactly the same.
That does NOT give you any credibility to know God.


Remember I have said, “If the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the “God” of Genesis 1:1, then necessity demands that you believe that Satan is the god of Genesis 1:1.
Remember, there is only one true God Jesus Christ and one false god the devil.”

Tell me Keith, is your god Yahweh the God of Genesis 1:1 ?
Or, is my God the Lord Jesus Christ the God of Genesis 1:1 ?

If you think that you belong to the remnant, then tell me which one is it going to be ?
It’s a simple question my friend.

November 02, 2017 8:37 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

The Bible gives us the answers!!!! All I ask is for you to read it, believe it and come to salvation. God is asking you to discard all your speculative positions and come to the saving knowledge of the Y'shua, the Messiah, the ultimate sacrifice for your sins.

November 02, 2017 8:56 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Hi Paul, nice to be back blogging.

Regarding you saying that I am very observant regarding my being able to recognize the reverse name of T'nepres - for some reason I have always been able to write and read backwards as well as foreword.

When I read your post the first thought that came to mind was 'The serpent is hiding itself in Paul's post.'
This can be true, and is true, in any doctrine that does not line up with scripture.

November 02, 2017 9:48 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, that’s NOT an answer my friend.
I think that we both know that you are unwilling to answer my question because it will expose your unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ.

In TRUTH, you really believe that the God of Genesis 1:1 is (T’nepres) Jehovah, Allah or Yahweh etc. or would you like me to give you his real biblical name ?

Interesting, you are never telling us anything about that god, it seems that he hides himself behind the Great and ONLY King and God Jesus Christ the Lord (Jude 1:25).

Furthermore, you don’t even believe the Scriptures that everything was made by the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth (John 1:3-10 and Col. 1:15-20).

Well my friend, all your doomsday prepping won’t help you much :-) only repentance is the way of salvation and the only way of prepping :-)

November 03, 2017 1:31 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Hi Brenda, I hope you are enjoying beautiful Ireland ? :-)

Yes I know that the Lord has gifted you in writing, especially with poetry, in that I wish I would only be as half as talented as you are.
The good thing in the Lord is that we are allowed to COVET the gifts of our brothers and sisters :-)

You said, “ in any doctrine that does not line up with scripture.”

What do you mean by ‘line up’, do you mean, line up with YOUR interpretation of the Scriptures ? Or line up with YOUR doctrines ?

November 03, 2017 1:33 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Hi Paul,
yes we are enjoying beautiful Ireland. I give all glory to God regarding whatever I feel led to write, and I am not sure what you mean by 'coveting' the gifts of our brothers and sisters.
Regarding lining up with scripture I did not say anything about doctrine lining up with 'my interpretation' of scripture. If you go back and look at what I have actually written Paul, I have written about doctrine that does not line up with 'scripture'. Scripture is the Word that is written in the Bible. If anyone adds or takes away from that, such as your story regarding someone called T'nepres, then it is mans' doctrine.

I understand that you are trying to give a parable of what is happening regarding what Satan is trying to do on earth, but we have to be careful when we use names that are not written there because anyone who does not know the Lord might think that person and every word we write about that person is scripture, and if we include something that is not in the scriptures then that person can be led astray.

I find a lot of what you have written in this post regarding what you say is being said to T'nepres is not written in the Bible, and that is why I believe it would be good to share the story of what happened regarding the serpent, but including the actual scripture in your post.

November 03, 2017 8:28 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

No, Paul. I have given you my Biblically based answer, time and time again. It is you that is not listening. The Bible says that Elohim, YHWH, is the one and only God. Write it down.

My prayer for you and everyone, including myself, is that we get into God's Word and let his Spirit guide us into all truth, God's Truth, not some made up story. I don't understand how you, as an ambassador, could have a problem with that.

November 03, 2017 9:42 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

What Keith has written is right Paul,
I was going to refer to John ch. 16 v. 13 in my last comment to you:-
'But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.'

November 03, 2017 11:24 PM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but God would not choose to deliberately divide his kingdom and turn half over to the devil, for the purpose of building a sinful kingdom to compare his to. That would make God the author and facilitator of sin. You are way off mark here.

November 04, 2017 1:41 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

I agree with anonymous Paul, there is no scripture that says that God divided His kingdom and turned half over to the devil.

November 04, 2017 2:00 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

I agree with you, Brenda. May I also add that there isn't any scripture that even implies the idea.

November 04, 2017 9:00 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Brenda I did understand you what you have written, but not what you mean.
OK. I’ll ask again, do you mean line up with that which you think that the Scriptures says ?

I will give you an example.
John 10:30 Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE”.
I believe and say that the Scriptures said that Jesus Christ IS the Father.
In contrast, you say that Jesus Christ is NOT the Father, but another entity which you call Yahweh is the Father.

Tell me, which one of us is lining up with Scripture ?

Now tell me, which one is lining up with Scripture, the one who says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty the creator of heaven and earth (John 1:3-10 and Col. 1:15-20), or the one who says that Yahweh is God; a name which is not even mentioned in the Bible ?

Again, which statement is lining up with Scriptures ?

Also which one of us is taking away or adding from the Scriptures ?
Don’t you think that adding a god called Yahweh to the Scriptures is adding ?
And what do you think, would that addition to the Scriptures lead someone astray ?

Well Brenda those are serious questions and you need to answer them. It’s better now than on the day of judgement.

And I did NOT say that ‘God divided His kingdom and turned half over to the devil’, where did you get that from ?

You have quoted (John 16:13). Please tell me, WHO is the Spirit of truth who does NOT speak on His own initiative ?
Then on WHOSE initiative will He speak ?
Let you speech be clear Brenda.


Concerning my post, it is only a parable. Jesus also spoke in parables, and do you understand His parables ?

Perhaps try to understand my parable :-)
Instead of answering questions, I will ask you some questions.

Tell me, why did the Lord Jesus Christ wanted Adam and Eve to sin ?

November 04, 2017 1:24 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

No Keith, you have not given me any answer, not to mention a biblical answers.
Where in the Bible does it say “that Elohim, is the one and only God.” ?

Isaiah 9:6 said that Jesus Christ is called the Mighty God.
John 20:28 Thomas called the Lord Jesus Christ my Lord and my God.
Jude 1:25 The ONLY God our saviour.
Titus 2:10-13 Our great God and saviour 2 times, and many more.
And even the pagans said that Jesus makes Himself out to be God (John 10:33).

Yes ! as an ambassador I do have some problems with all those who will not believe in the one I am representing, which is Jesus Christ my Lord and my God :-(

Look my friend, you don’t need any prayer, you need repentance, that is the first step for every sinner to be saved.

November 04, 2017 1:26 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Hi Anonymous,
You don’t have to be sorry for what the Lord has done.

By the way, of WHICH God are you talking about ? Are you talking about Buddha or Allah ?
Don’t you know His Name ?
And if you don’t know His ONE and only Name, then how can you know what He did or what He did NOT do ?

Now tell me, was the Lord Jesus Christ surprised when Adam and Eve sinned ? or WHAT ?
Tell me who orchestrated the fall of man ? in other words, who planned the fall of Adam and Eve ?

November 04, 2017 1:29 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
what you are questioning is not what I have written, but what is written in the Bible. Regarding Jesus saying 'I and the Father are One'. In John ch. 3 v. 63 Jesus says:- 'It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.' John ch.4 v.24 states:-
'God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.' So if God is spirit and Jesus says that He and the Father are One, then it simply means that Jesus and the Father are One in spirit.

John ch.17 vs.20-22 state that Jesus said when He was speaking to the Father (as stated in verse 5 of John ch.17):-
'I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…'

This shows that we can all become one with God in the spirit, as Jesus was one with Him.
The things of God are foolishness to the carnal mind, but as we are taught line upon line, precept upon precept by the Holy Spirit when we believe on Jesus the Word of God made flesh, the One whom God has made our Lord and given all authority:-
'And Y'shua (The actual name of Jesus) spoke with them and he said to them, 'All authority has been given to me in Heaven and in the earth; in the manner in which my Father has sent me, ...' Matthew ch.28 v.18.

No Paul, I just read your story again, you didn't say that regarding handing half of the great king's kingdom over to the devil. Your story is so difficult to understand. However all we need to grow in the Lord is scripture, so it is good to interact on the blogs and share our experiences with what is written as God's Word will not go out and return to Him void. Isaiah ch.55 v.11.

November 04, 2017 10:12 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda, you said, “ So if God is spirit and Jesus says that He and the Father are One, then it simply means that Jesus and the Father are One in spirit.”

Brenda, that does NOT line up with the Scriptures.
Remember, I quoted the Scriptures John 10:30 Jesus said, “I and the Father are ONE.”

Please ask yourself whether that which you have said is lining up with John 10:30 (Scriptures) ?
Remember, I did NOT ask you to explain your doctrine of John 10:30.

So let’s look what you are actually saying about John 10:30.
You are actually saying something which does NOT say in John 10:30. Jesus does NOT say that He is ONE in spirit with another ONE called the Father.

Brenda, it doesn’t say that ! you are making that up ! it’s your doctrine, it’s NOT true !. Furthermore, if you would believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the creator of heaven and earth, then it would be absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to come to such a conclusion.

Jesus said, “I and the Father are ONE”. That’s exactly what He means, ONE entity and NOT TWO !
If Jesus would be ONE in spirit with another ONE called Father, then they would be TWO, two entities.

So you need to line up with what the Scriptures actually said.

This is exactly the same error as most Christian have with John 14:9, Jesus said ‘He who has seen Me has seen the Father’.
He did NOT say that ‘he who has Me has seen someone else called the Father. Why ?
Again, Jesus and the Father are NOT TWO Brenda. (John 10:30)


The carnal mind will NOT believe that Jesus is the Father, they always will say that when you see Jesus, you actually do not see Jesus but you see someone else called the Father.

November 05, 2017 8:14 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Also, You said, “And Y'shua (The actual name of Jesus)”.

Well Brenda, does that line up with the Scriptures the Bible ?

Show it to me in the Bible.
Show me only one verse in the Bible on that.


I can assure you that is NOT in the Bible, you are making that up, you are deliberately trying to divide and diminish the ONLY ONE and great Name of God 'JESUS' (Acts 4:12).


Can you see, that is exactly what T’nepres does, he divides the ONLY ONE NAME of the Great and Only True King and causes a confusion among the people and then he replaces the only Name of the great King with one of his many names like Jehovah, Allah, Yahweh, Y’shua etc.

November 05, 2017 8:22 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

After all our debate, I’m still amazes me that you have no problem with adding to, taking away or taking out of context the Word of God. As much as you dilude yourself, you and your master will stand before the judgement seat of Christ and give an accounting of all the people you have led to hell. The good thing about it is that you’re not very good at it. You still have time to repent.

November 05, 2017 11:51 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Well my friend you should not be amazed, that is the very reason my Father has sent me to be an ambassador of His Kingdom to the lost house of Israel so that they may come to their senses and return to my Father who has bought them with the price of His blood.

As to adding and taking away from Scriptures, I don’t have a problem with that since everybody does that, but it seems to me that Brenda has a great problem with that (Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 and Revelation 22:18-19).

What about you ? do you call that adding to Scriptures when you present a god called Yahweh to the Scriptures the Bible ?
There is NO god called Yahweh in the Bible. Then, why do you add one into the Scriptures ?

Why do you ADD to the Lord Jesus Christ ANOTHER Name, other than ‘JESUS’ when the Bible clearly said that there is NO OTHER Name given apart from JESUS ?

Well, why do you do it ?
I don’t think that anyone of you is qualified to instruct me concerning my Father’s Kingdom.

November 06, 2017 8:57 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Y’shua came first. You need to look up the definition of ‘add to’. No matter where you turn, you’re wrong. Satan and his cohorts have gotten used to it. It looks like you are fitting right in. I hope you like it hot.

November 06, 2017 10:07 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Where in the Bible does it say that Y’shua came first ?

My heavenly Father the Lord Jesus Christ came first, Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty,”
Revelation 1:17-18 “I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead and behold, I am alive forever more.”

And He would have you to be HOT or cold and if you are somewhere in the middle (lukewarm) He will spew you out of His mouth.

November 06, 2017 4:44 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
just look at Revelation ch. 1 vs. 1-6. These verses show why Jesus is alive forever more:-

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
Greeting the Seven Churches

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, AND from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests TO HIS GOD AND FATHER, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

I have highlighted the words in these verses that Jesus has a Father and that as He was the FIRSTBORN from the dead, then it is obvious that others are to follow.

November 06, 2017 6:38 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda, you said, “just look at Revelation ch. 1 vs. 1-6. These verses show WHY Jesus is alive forever more:- “

No Brenda, those verses don’t show you ‘WHY’ Jesus is alive forever more, just read it again, it doesn’t tell you.


Why ?
Because it’s REVELATION.

And look Brenda, you don’t have the revelation of Jesus Christ, otherwise you would believe that Jesus Christ is the first (Alpha).

You believe that someone else is the first, a god which you call Yahweh and you give him the title Father.
For that reason you are quoting the metaphor (‘TO HIS GOD AND FATHER’) to support your unbelief.

If the Lord Jesus Christ would have a Father, then His Father would be the FIRST, or don’t you know that the Father is always before the Son ?

It only shows that you are giving the Lord Jesus Christ lip-service, while you really believe in another (T’nepres).

And for that reason you need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE and in NO other.

November 06, 2017 8:56 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

One last time. Y’shua is what Jesus was called all his life. It is his God given name. You cannot be that dense, Paul. Seriously, you cannot believe that a Jewish child was given an English name, in a culture where only Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek was spoken.

Getting back to your original post, where, does it say that God divided his kingdom and gave half to Satan?

November 06, 2017 9:17 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul, there was a reason why Jesus was raised from the dead, as stated in Romans ch. 8 vs. 10, 11:-

'And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also bring to life your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.'

This clearly shows that there was another Who raised Jesus from the dead, and if we have the Spirit of Christ in us then the One Who raised Jesus from the dead shall also bring life to our mortal bodies through His Spirit.

It is all about God's Spirit Paul.

I am glad that we have these discussions because it brings out more scriptures, which all add up.

November 06, 2017 9:23 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, I’m NOT talking about a little Jewish child, I am talking about my Father who is in heaven, He is the Lord God Almighty the creator of heaven and earth, and as a son of my Father I surely know His one and only Name.

If you would have eyes to see and ears to hear you surely would see how “T’nepres” children blaspheme the only one Name of my Father who is in heaven, and that Name is ‘JESUS’.

You may NOT like that, but that is the truth.
Have you ever heard T’nepres children blaspheming a name like ‘Y’shuah’ ?
Most of those devils can’t even properly pronounce that name, let alone blaspheme.

Look what my Father said, “Isaiah 52:5-6 All day long My Name is blasphemed."
Now tell me, WHICH name is blasphemed all day long ???
so, do they blaspheme the name of a Jewish little child called Y'shuah ?

Romans 2:24 “The Name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of YOU.”

Exodus 20:7 You shall NOT take the Name of God (Jesus Christ) in vain, or you will be punished.


You said, “Getting back to your original post, where, does it say that God divided his kingdom and gave half to Satan?”

Nowhere !
My post does not say that, it seems to me that you are reading my post the same way as you are reading your Bible.

November 07, 2017 8:10 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda, it seems to me that you have a confusion of presumptions.

You said, “It is all about God's Spirit Paul.”

No Brenda, it’s not all about God’s Spirit.
That is just a statement which means nothing.
Which God’s Spirit ??
You see, it means nothing, it just becomes religious rhetoric.

It is ALL about the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, everything was made by Him and for Him and apart from Jesus NOTHING came into being that has come into being.
Jesus is in the beginning of Genesis 1:1 right through the entire Bible to Revelation 22:21.

And ALL the Prophets of God testified about Jesus just the same as I do, and for that reason it is required from you that you turn away from the gods of this world and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE and in NO other.
That is the narrow way Brenda ! and whosoever will not believe shall be damned.

November 07, 2017 8:12 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda, you also said, “This clearly shows that there was another Who raised Jesus from the dead,”

If the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God, then there is no one else to raise Jesus from the dead.
Jesus made it clear that He will raise Himself up from the dead on the third day (John 2:19).

November 07, 2017 3:30 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

'But if the Spirit of HIM that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD shall also bring to life your mortal bodies by HIS Spirit that dwells in you.'
(Romans ch. 8 v.11)

Paul, I would much rather believe what scripture says than what man says.

'Agree with God and be at peace.' Job ch. 22 v.21

November 07, 2017 10:45 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, I wish you would believe what the Scriptures said.

Who is that SPIRIT that raised Christ up from the dead ?

What does the Bible say who that Spirit is ?

2 Cor. 3:17 now the LORD is the SPIRIT.

Do you Believe that the LORD is the SPIRIT ?

Now, WHICH LORD is the SPIRIT ?


We both know that it is NOT the little lord Fauntleroy.
Why then do you call Jesus LORD if you don’t believe that He is the LORD ?

The Bible said that there is ONE LORD and that LORD is Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 1:6.

And if there is only one Lord, then why don’t you believe that that LORD raised Himself from the dead just as He has said John 2:19.

Look Brenda, everything depends on whether you believe that JESUS is LORD. If you don’t believe that, then you do NOT speak by the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 12:3, and for that reason your testimony is NOT true, and you believe the doctrines of man.

November 08, 2017 6:55 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Once again, I’m giving up. I cannot continue a conversation with someone who changes what they say, every time they’re shown that they are wrong scripturally. I’m just so glad that you’re not good at deception as your master is .... but, then again Satan isn’t that good at it either. I praise God that anyone who reads the Scriptures can see through your lies and deception.

November 08, 2017 8:04 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

I agree Brenda! You can’t go wrong by believing what the Scriptures say.

November 08, 2017 8:06 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Well Keith, why then don’t you try to answer my questions ?

Do you Believe that the LORD is the SPIRIT ? (2 Cor. 3:17 now the LORD is the SPIRIT.)

Or do you believe that your lord T’,nepres is the spirit ?

John 10:30, do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father (the Great King) ?
Or do you believe that T’nepres is the father and your great king ?


Also, tell me, did your heavenly Father died on the cross ??
Just tell me, YES or NO ?

November 08, 2017 1:54 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
Regarding 2 Corinthians ch. 3 v.17 where it is written that the Lord is the Spirit:- Jesus was the Word of God made flesh:-

'The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father ' (John ch. 1 v.14)

As the Word of God became flesh and was named Jesus (which is the English translation of Y'shua), then it was God Who was actually speaking through His Son, Who scripture tells us was the one and only mediator between man and God:-

'For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,' 1 Timothy ch.2 v.5.

It is like if I was speaking on the radio, that does not make the radio me - it is a mediator through which people can hear what I am saying to them.
Our beautiful Saviour Jesus is the only mediator through Whom we can learn God's ways and become children of God by being born of the Spirit of God - Just as Jesus was born of the Spirit of God and not man.

As Jesus said in John ch.3 vs.5,6 and 7:-
'Jesus answered 'Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’…

November 08, 2017 9:19 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

NO Brenda, 2 Corinthians 3:17 says, “Now the LORD is the SPIRIT” !

Meaning, that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the LORD GOD Almighty who is the SPIRIT (John 4:24).
And that means the HOLY SPIRIT and NOT the spirit of this world.

Look Brenda, you need to believe what the SCRIPTURES said and NOT what you like it to say.

If you can’t agree and understand what 2 Corinthians 3:17 says and means, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand any other verses of the Scriptures.

It amazes me that you just don’t agree with what the Scriptures plainly said.

Just read 2 Corinthians 3:17 again, and then SAY and CONFESS Jesus as LORD !

If you don’t, then do NOT think that the Lord my God will give you understanding.

November 08, 2017 10:10 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
it is very plain that you do not go by what scripture says. I will say to you, as Jesus said to Satan - IT IS WRITTEN, and what is coming into my mind is 'There is a time to refrain from speaking'. You are definitely preaching another Jesus, other than the One in the Bible, so I will do as I feel led by the Spirit to do - refrain from discussion on your blog.

November 08, 2017 11:35 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, it is WRITTEN in 2 Corinthians 3:17 that the LORD Jesus Christ IS the Spirit.

Little lord Fauntleroy is definitely NOT the Spirit.

And it is WRITTEN 1 Corinthians 8:6 that there is ONE LORD and NOT TWO !
And that ONE LORD who is Jesus Christ IS the Spirit of 2 Corinthians 3:17.

Tell me Brenda, why do you try to remove the greatness of the King of kings Jesus Christ and give His glory to T’nepres ?
Remember, it is WRITTEN, Revelation 17:14 Jesus Christ is the LORD of lords and the KING of kings. Just read it and believe it :-)
Your king Yahweh is NOT the true King and he is only king in his kingdom, the kingdom of this world because you believe in him and worship him.

November 09, 2017 8:53 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Look Brenda, your god Yahweh can NOT save you, he is the god of his kingdom the kingdom of this world because you believe in him and worship him.
How many times have you called upon his name to heal you ? but seemingly he only plays cat and mouse games with you.

The Lord Jesus Christ called T’nepres the father of lies, because he was a liar and a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44 and Gen. 4:1).
He has sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8) by deceiving Eve (Genesis 3:1), and from then on he deceived the whole world (Rev. 12:9), and the whole world has gone after him (John 12:19).

Brenda, you cannot serve TWO kings Jesus and T’nepres , either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other (Mat. 6:24).
The same is with the Great King and His Kingdom and the king of this world and his kingdom.

You said, “You are definitely preaching another Jesus, other than the One in the Bible.”

Tell me which Jesus is the Jesus of the Bible ?

I preach the LORD Jesus Christ to be the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it (John 1:3-10 and Col.1:15-20) who does NOT share His glory with another (Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord, that is My Name and I will NOT give My glory to another.)

You are preaching a ‘Jesus’ who is a mere man and a servant of a god called Yahweh who is NOT even mentioned in the Bible, and then you claim to believe the Scriptures. REALLY !!
Well, I don’t think so.
You have said that there are TWO, one in heaven the other on earth, a mighty God and an Almighty God.
Just think, as if there would be two gods having a dialogue with each other.
It was Eve who was deceived, and she was very much deceived believing in her feelings rather than the Lord Jesus Christ.

No Brenda, you are NOT a little bit deceived, you are very much deceived and you desperately need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Remember, there is NO other one who will tell you the truth, they all encourage you to stay in the kingdom of T’nepres and preach him as king.

November 10, 2017 9:14 AM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are delusional.

November 10, 2017 12:33 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Is that all you can say ?
To say that does NOT need any intelligence.

November 10, 2017 2:42 PM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn’t take much intelligence to see that you are delusional.

November 10, 2017 8:49 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Anonymous, I preach the LORD Jesus Christ to be the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it (John 1:3-10 and Col.1:15-20) who does NOT share His glory with another (Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord, that is My Name and I will NOT give My glory to another.)

Now tell me, which God do you preach to be the creator of heaven and earth ?
Is is Jehovah ? or is it Allah ? or perhaps Yahweh ?
Again, which one is it ??
And if you claim to believe the Bible, then show it to me in the Bible ?
Perhaps we will see who is delusional.

I’m willing to listen and eager to repent if shown different in the Bible.

November 10, 2017 9:22 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

The difference; in the Great King’s Kingdom they worship the Great King of Kings (Matthew 28:8, ‘and they took hold of the Great Kings feet and worshiped Him’).

And in contrast; in the kingdom of T’nepres they worshiped whoever they like and call him by whatever name they give him in order to disguise his true identity. And “All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him (T’nepres), everyone whose name has NOT been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.” Revelation 13:8

And then they saw an angel flying in mid-heaven having an eternal gospel saying, WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth (Revelation 14:7).

November 11, 2017 7:14 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

OK. Please tell me, WHO do you worship ?

Do you worship your god Jehovah ?

And if you worship your god Jehovah, why then don’t you call yourself a Jehovah Witness ?
After all, you are worshiping the same god as they do.

What about all of you who call your god ‘Yahweh’, shouldn’t all of you be called Yahweh Witnesses ?

Well, I think that ALL of you have NO part in the Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ.

King JESUS said, “... you shall be MY witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)

November 13, 2017 8:59 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

The Great King of kings did NOT say that you should be a witness for a king called Jehovah or T’nepres or Yahweh.
But He said, “Exodus 20:1-3 ‘I am the Lord your God. You shall have NO other gods (KINGS) before Me.’
Exodus 20:4-6 ‘You shall NOT WORSHIP them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.’

What do you think will happen to those who deliberately disobey the King of kings ?
Will they enter His Kingdom ?
Or will they be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth ?

November 15, 2017 7:01 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Well, Paul. Since you don't answer anything on Keith's blog, I thought I would come back here and ask again. Which question do you want to ignore first? I will give you the choice.

Names of God?
Creation?
What is the Holy Spirit?

Those who are reading, which I doubt any are, Paul has refused to answer these questions on another blog. You see, he runs from questions that prove him wrong. Even though all we wanted was his opinions, he refuses to engage in conversation while only using insults ad distortions as his only arguments.

But here is how he will answer these questions if he chooses to do so:
There is only one name---Jesus, and it is in English. Hebrew language is not in the Bible because 6000 years ago God spoke English to Adam... and that is why the Bible was written in English. Jesus was not Jewish. He didn't have a Jewish name because Mary spoke English.

Satan created half of the human race. He has the power of creation and helped Jesus create life. Satan had sex with Eve and had Cain (even though the Bible says Adam "knew Eve and she bore Cain"). All of Genesis is a metaphor. The tree in the garden means sex...and Eve ate from that tree because Satan coerced her into it (of course Adam ate it too, so I guess Adam was gay).

You should be asking WHO the Holy Spirit is, not WHAT the Holy Spirit is. (Notice he skipped the question.

There Paul....now how about finally engaging in this conversation/debate that you wanted. Go ahead and answer, no one is reading this blog anyway. So if you're wrong, no one will know.

December 23, 2017 12:57 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

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December 24, 2017 12:38 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

You can take time out and comment on someone else's blog but you can't respond on your own?

December 24, 2017 12:38 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

If anyone wants to know the truth instead of listening to this distortion, come on over and read: God. You will not hear the truth on this site. As you see he what he does here. He adds and subtracts to scripture because he makes it fit his doctrine. And when you call him out on it, he ignores you or tries to change the parameter of the conversation. This can be seen on many blogs such as: Time-Space-Perceptions and Lighthouse.

I only say this because I want to make sure people are not deceived by this false teacher.

December 25, 2017 4:21 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Crickets

December 26, 2017 8:50 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Let me pinpoint things for the reader:

1. Paul says Satan was a co-creator with Jesus (God). He misinterprets "In our image" as Jesus AND satan. Two problems with his doctrine. This puts satan on the same level as God. You and I are created in 1 image---God's. But Paul says some of us are in the image of satan. He does not understand that there is a word in the Bible--ELohim---that tells us how we are created. El means God. Im means plural. The word though is one word. God is multi-facted and is the ONLY creator there is.
2. Paul though doesn't know the word ELohim because Paul believes the Bible and God's language is English. England wasn't even a country until 927 AD. English has developed over the last 1000 years. We had old english, example---Beowulf poem. This language was heavily influenced by Germanic groups (Angles, Saxons, and Jutes). Then around 1066, the invasion of the French language changed it into what we know as Middle English, example---Chaucer. Then around the Renaissance we have what we now know as Modern English, example---Shakespeare. This is the language that Paul thinks God spoke at creation. The King's English. He believes that Hebrew/Aramaic is not what Jesus spoke. Even though Jesus cries out Eloi, eloi lama sabachthani and also Talitha koum. Even though names in the Bible all have translations from Hebrew and so forth. Example--Golgotha means place of the skull. Then why not just call it place of the skull? Because it was not in English.
3. Paul can't do math. He thinks those who believe in a Trinity thinks God is three separate gods and uses the math 1+1+1=3, but his carnal mind can't understand that we who know there is a Trinity do not "add" gods together. We know God is side by side, hence 1*1*1=1. He doesn't understand that humans are also tri-partite. We have a body, soul and spirit. He doesn't understand even 3D objects have three different dimensions, yet the SAME object.
4. Paul doesn't know that God is spirit. He believes that Jesus' physical body is God. But if his body was God then God died at the cross. No. Jesus is spirit NOW. He was spirit before HE came to earth. But when He came to earth, He was God incarnate. His body was not God. He was able to bleed. He was hungry. He slept. If His body was God then WE have the ability to be God and that is not true.
5. Paul thinks the whole bible is metaphorical. That is partly true. Everything in the Bible happened LITERALLY. But we as NT Christians only need the OT as a metaphor for our lives. Big difference. Example--Ishmael and Isaac. Their lives happened but Ishmael is a metaphor for living by the flesh, Isaac is a metaphor for living by the spirit.
6. Paul lies and says he never quotes scripture, he only "preaches the gospel". But as you can see he will quote scripture all the time.
7. Paul thinks God hates certain people and causes them to have lives filled with pain.
8. Paul thinks no one has free will. God already chose people to be saved. Therefore no matter what we do will not matter. We can believe in Him all of our lives and do exactly what He has wanted us to yet still send us to hell. Yet, Paul tells people to repent all the time. Well, if we are already chosen then why repent Paul?
9. Paul believes he is the only one with truth. He claims he is the only ambassador God has in this world.

See, these are just a few things Paul tries to say. You can see I didn't even add scripture yet to back up what I am saying. Paul is very unscriptural in most of what he says. Let the reader know where to find truth. This is not the place.

December 27, 2017 2:21 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Still the crickets

December 27, 2017 11:55 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

You see, now what he does as a pattern is lie low for a few days, perhaps weeks, in hopes that we forget the topic. He will eventually get back to commenting but will not address any issue that was raised and will go back to his "There is no Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah. All that is made up. Tell me which God...."

Let the reader see who is telling the truth. You will see.

December 28, 2017 4:21 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

No Doubt :-) LOL

December 28, 2017 10:48 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Yes Paul I'm still here.

December 31, 2017 2:15 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Hi there. I have been off the blog during Christmas and New Year.

OK. Tim, I think that you have a history of forgetting what I have said, and making up wild assumptions.

(P. 1.) Look Tim, I don’t make such statements as, “Paul says Satan was a co-creator with Jesus (God).”
Why can’t you understand what I have said in my comment to you ?
So I will say it again, the Lord Jesus Christ and Satan both MADE man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26).
There is only ONE creator the Lord Jesus Christ, but TWO makers of man, the Lord Jesus Christ and the serpent (Satan).
I hope that you know the difference of a creator and a maker ?

You said, “He misinterprets "In our image" as Jesus AND satan.”

Tell me, who do you interpret that ? as Jesus and WHAT ?
And don't leaf the Scriptures, but stay focused.

You said, “You and I are created in 1 image---God's.”

You have already left the Scriptures and said in OUR image (Gen. 1:26).
OUR image are TWO image and not 1 image as you have said.

You said, “He does not understand that there is a word in the Bible--ELohim---that tells us how we are created.“ and, “El means God. Im means plural.”

So, is that true ? :-)
Well, I think that is a LIE !
It is definitely NOT in the Bible. Remember I am a representative of the Bible and there is nothing written of an --- Elohim ---- , and give me a verse from the Bible.

You see my friend, NOTHING !

(P. 2.) ? ?
(P. 3.) Yes, certainly, the TRINITY are THREE gods.
If you think a little, you would see the trinity in three person.
If the Father is NOT the Son, then they are TWO persons, no matter what trickery you might use.
All trinitarians are trapped in their lies and can not repent.
And can your carnal mind understand that, that the Father and the Son are TWO separate persons and therefore 1+1 = 2 :-)
Well, so far only TWO persons in your god economy, but you claim that there is another one, the THIRD person the Holy Spirit, who is NOT the Father nor the Son but another.
Now just use your carnal mind again and count 1+1+1 = 3 :-)

Now, everybody can understand that with the carnal mind. And for this reason they profane God and call Him “the three amigos”.
For the Name of God is blasphemed among the nations because of you. Yes Tim, because of you (Rom. 2:24).

(P. 4.) That is a confusion of your belief.
(P. 5.) That’s not what I believe, and it is your man made doctrine.
(P. 6.)
(P. 7.) Yes, I certainly do. Do you really believe the Bible ? I don’t think so !
Well, I have answered that to you with Scriptures in all details.
(P. 8.) I think that you must repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.
(P. 9.) Again, I’m a gospel preacher and I don’t TRY to say things, as you have said.
I speak the truth clearly for everyone to hear, and he who hears will be saved and the others will perish.

January 01, 2018 8:24 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then comes the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

I think 1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 25 - 28 says it all regarding this conversation about God and Jesus, I have highlighted in brackets Who is being spoken of:-

'For He (Jesus) must reign, till He (God) has put all enemies under His (Jesus) feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For He (God) has put all things under His (Jesus) feet. But when He (God) says all things are put under Him (Jesus), it is clear that He (God) is excepted, Who did put all things under Him (Jesus).

And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Jesus, the Son), then shall the Son (Jesus) also Himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all.'

Very simply understood.

January 02, 2018 1:00 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,
You were away for Christmas? I thought Puritans did not celebrate Christmas. The Cromwells banned it when they were in charge. And I know you don’t celebrate Christmas for you said on Oct 7, 2017: Paul’s belief on Christmas
Well, anyway, Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

POINT #1
Paul’s answer:(P. 1.) Look Tim, I don’t make such statements as, “Paul says Satan was a co-creator with Jesus (God).” ….Why can’t you understand what I have said in my comment to you ? … So I will say it again, the Lord Jesus Christ and Satan both MADE man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26)…

Made and create are the same words. If Satan MADE man, then he is a co-creator. What do you think the word make means? The word create means: “bring (something) into existence.” The word make means: “form (something) by putting parts together or combining substances; construct; create.” Sorry, Paul, you need to know what the two words mean. So please elaborate on the difference.

Paul also answered: “You said, “He misinterprets "In our image" as Jesus AND satan.” …
Tell me, who do you interpret that? as Jesus and WHAT ?...And don't leaf the Scriptures, but stay focused.


That’s part of your problem Paul, SCRIPTURE says that God is Elohim. You “think” it’s a lie. There is the problem. In Genesis 1:1 Beresheet bara Elohim. You think Genesis 1:26 is about God AND satan, in which both have created man. Notice if your idea was true then both gave them authority over fish, birds, and the earth---IF YOU HAD critical thinking skills and ENGLISH comprehensive skills you would know that that means they BOTH gave authority in which in turn means they both HAD the authority to do so which means they are CO-regents of the man, and that is not true. Genesis 1:26 says let’s make man in our IMAGE…not images. Therefore it means only 1 (ONE), not TWO. Our means plural, yes, and I have shown you what that means---the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit---ELOHIM. My scripture leaves no room for misinformation to be added like you had to do.

Tim 1---Paul 0 in this debate.

POINT 2
Paul’s answer: (P. 2.) ? ?

Why do you not understand that? I showed you historically how English came around. You say English is the language of God. And that Moses, Adam, Jesus and all spoke English. I can give you more references if you need; both of what you have said in the past and textual references.

Tim 2----Paul 0 in this debate

POINT 3
Paul’s answer: (P. 3.) Yes, certainly, the TRINITY are THREE gods...If you think a little, you would see the trinity in three person...If the Father is NOT the Son, then they are TWO persons, no matter what trickery you might use...All trinitarians are trapped in their lies and can not repent.

Part of your problem is I am not a Trinitarian as in the way you think. I believe in a Thrice Holy God, not three separate gods. And does everyone see how Paul is doing the math? Do you see he runs from the 1*1*1 =1 equation? Do you see he can’t answer the 3D reality? A board has 3 sides, yet still the same board. He thinks length, width, and depth are three different boards. The problem is he cannot defend his carnal mind’s idea. He asked me if my carnal mind can understand the math. The answer is yes, mine can. I can see 1+1=2. I can see 1+1+1=3. I sure can. But my carnal mind can also understand 1*1*1=1. Paul do you know what multiplication means? Do you understand 3D (3 dimensional objects)? See, I have a carnal mind but I also have the Spirit inside that shows me and helps me understand how 3 can be 1. And from what you said, “the THIRD person the Holy Spirit, who is NOT the Father nor the Son but another.” You are claiming the Holy Spirit is separate from Jesus?

Tim 3----Paul 0 in this debate

January 02, 2018 2:40 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

CONTINUED:

POINT 4
Paul answered: (P. 4.) That is a confusion of your belief.
Jesus didn’t sleep? Mark 4:38
Jesus didn’t cry? John 11:35
Jesus didn’t bleed? Luke 22:44
Jesus wasn’t hungry? Mark 11:12
Jesus was not here before man? With man? After man? Not spirit? How did his physical body transform? How did it walk on water? How did it go through walls? How did he hover over the waters?

All you offered was “confusion” on my part.

Tim 4---Paul 0 in this debate

POINT 5
Paul answered: (P. 5.) That’s not what I believe, and it is your man made doctrine.
So Paul, then tell us what you think. Because on another blog you said: Paul say it’s a metaphor But you just said you don’t believe that. Which is it Paul?

Tim 5---Paul 0 in this debate.

POINT 6
Paul answered: (P. 6.)
Why didn’t you respond Paul? You have said plenty of times that you don’t quote scripture yet you do all the time.

Tim 6---Paul 0 in this debate.

POINT 7
Paul answered: (P. 7.) Yes, I certainly do. Do you really believe the Bible ? I don’t think so !...Well, I have answered that to you with Scriptures in all details.

Since he doesn’t quote scripture, I will state it here what he says, Romans 9:13, Jacob I love, but Esau I hated. However, if one did a word study on the Bible you would find that this actually reads as: Jacob I love, Esau I rejected, or regard with less love. I have tried to show Paul the opposite of love is not hate. But his carnal mind will not allow the spirit to teach him. Love/Hate

But you know we’ll call that a tie unless you can give us more.

Tim 6---Paul 0---tie 1 in this debate

POINT 8
Paul answered: (P. 8.) I think that you must repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

But Paul you have stated that God hates certain people. If He hates certain people then some of us have no choice. If we have no choice, then repenting doesn’t do anyone any good. Are you stating that you have never said that? I can find the post(s) if you want.

Tim 7---Paul 0---tie 1 in this debate.

POINT 9
Paul answered: (P. 9.) Again, I’m a gospel preacher and I don’t TRY to say things, as you have said…I speak the truth clearly for everyone to hear, and he who hears will be saved and the others will perish.

So you aren’t denying any of that?

FINAL--- TIM 8, Paul 0, tie 1

Paul you challenged us to a debate. I have tried to tell you that all we wanted was a discussion but you kept calling it a debate. Then I took your challenge. And this is all your proof and evidence? Do you know how to debate?

And with that, I rest my positions.

January 02, 2018 2:41 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Hi Brenda,
"Very simply understood." :-)

And how do you understand that, “And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Jesus, the Son), then shall the Son (Jesus) also Himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all.”

Are there two gods there ? and where is the third god, the Holy Spirit ?

January 02, 2018 5:43 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Tim,
Point 1. If you make a son, are you then a creator ? The answer is no. The difference is, the creator creates things out of nothing.
So then, made and create are NOT the same words.

You said, “That’s part of your problem Paul, SCRIPTURE says that God is Elohim. You “think” it’s a lie. There is the problem. In Genesis 1:1 Beresheet bara Elohim. You think Genesis 1:26 is about God AND satan, in which both have created man.”

No Tim, I have said to you that there is NO ‘Elohim’ in the Bible. You need to stick with Scripture.
That’s where you have left the Lord and have accepted the lie which is from the beginning.
From here on, every imaginable satanic doctrine is now unleashed of which we are not ignorant.

Point 2.

Point 3. There is nothing Scriptural about that, just assumptions.
If the Father is NOT the Son, then they are TWO persons, no matter what you are saying.
The same, if the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son or the Father, then you are very much deceived.

Point 4.

Point 5. “Paul thinks the whole bible is metaphorical.”
Look Tim, that is a stupid statement.
I have said that to someone who has accused me over on Keith blog, and I will not comment to that.

Point 5.

Point 7. I have been explaining the love and hate doctrine to you over at your blog. And even then you are trying to pervert the word HATE to some lesser word like ‘rejected’.
Tell me, is there anything that you really would believe from the Bible ?

Point 8. Yes, have you got a problem with that ?
Someone of us have NO choice. Yes, NO choice !
John 5:25 The dead shall hear His voice and those who hear will live.

January 02, 2018 5:54 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

No Paul,
there is One God the Father, Who made Jesus, His Son, our Lord. Regarding the Spirit:- that is what Jesus said the Father would send when He (Jesus) leaves this Earth and goes to the Father. The Spirit will lead us into all truth.
John ch. 14 vs. 16 and 17 state Jesus as saying:-

'And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.'

As Jesus says here, if you have not received the Spirit of truth then you have to be of the world, because the world cannot receive the Spirit.

January 02, 2018 10:42 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

POINT 1
Paul answered: Point 1. If you make a son, are you then a creator ? The answer is no. The difference is, the creator creates things out of nothing.
So then, made and create are NOT the same words.


I will give you some credit, you at least TRIED to explain your point. SO what you are saying is that God created everything and then let satan mold some of the things He created. He gave him the clay to mold? Correct? You actually said something correct God made everything out of nothing. How do you know He made everything out of nothing? I know why, but how do you know? Now, if you can't answer the question---you lose another point.

Paul also answered: No Tim, I have said to you that there is NO ‘Elohim’ in the Bible. You need to stick with Scripture...That’s where you have left the Lord and have accepted the lie which is from the beginning...From here on, every imaginable satanic doctrine is now unleashed of which we are not ignorant.

Again, there is the problem, you WILL NOT accept the fact that English was not the language in 1450 BC when Moses wrote this down. If you could let the spirit tell you the truth here and accept it then you would see it. Now your last sentence is dead on, but apply it to your own ideas and your exact.

Tim 9---Paul 0, tie 1 in this debate.

POINT 2
Paul answered: Point 2.

I guess he conceded. Again I can give you more historical texts and even your own posts.

Explain to me Genesis 28:19. I bet you can't do it.

Ahhh... I will be nice and won't count that as another point, unless you can't answer it.

POINT 3
Paul answered: Point 3. There is nothing Scriptural about that, just assumptions.
If the Father is NOT the Son, then they are TWO persons, no matter what you are saying.
The same, if the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son or the Father, then you are very much deceived.


There is nothing scriptural? We have given you many many many scriptural references for this concept. Plus I have NEVER said the father is NOT the Son. I have repeatedly said the father is the son, the son is the spirit, the spirit is the father!!!!!!!!! You're the one who tried to explain it all with math and failed to do so. I offered you other carnal minded math equations, but apparently you only went to 1st grade and stopped. Let me add more carnal minded ideas for you. IF a=b and b=c, then a=c. If the father is the son, and the son is the spirit, then the spirit is the father. If a piece of wood has three sides it is a board. If it has two sides then it is a piece of paper. If it only has one side, it's called a line. Do you see? That board has 3 sides.

Tim 10---Paul 0, tie 1, in this debate.

POINT 4
Paul answered: Point 4.

You can't respond to that one???????

Tim 11, Paul 0, tie 1 in this debate.

POINT 5
Paul answered: Point 5. Look Tim, that is a stupid statement.
I have said that to someone who has accused me over on Keith blog, and I will not comment to that.


You can't comment on that because I just proved you wrong. I showed the whole world how you said it. You started with Genesis and said it was metaphor. So show the whole world right now by answering these questions:

HOW OLD IS THE EARTH? Because if you say anything more than 6000 years then you just claimed it is a metaphor
DID JESUS HAVE A FATHER? Because if you say Jesus only said that to prove a point then it was a metaphor; how can someone be their own father?

Tim 12---Paul 0, tie 1 in this debate.

POINT 6
Paul answered: Point 5.

I guess it's so frustrating losing that you put down the wrong number to a question you couldn't answer anyway. I will be nice and not count that as another point.

January 03, 2018 1:38 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

CONTINUED...

POINT 7
Paul answered: Point 7. I have been explaining the love and hate doctrine to you over at your blog. And even then you are trying to pervert the word HATE to some lesser word like ‘rejected’. ..Tell me, is there anything that you really would believe from the Bible ?

See point 2. Better yet, go back and read your own comments. If you love someone then you reject all others. It doesn't mean you automatically hate everyone else. I love my wife but I don't hate all other women. I love Keith but that doesn't mean I hate you or anyone else. I understand how hate fits in. You missed the whole point of my blog thought. You're missing the point here.

Tim 13, Paul 0 tie 1, in this debate

POINT 8
Paul answered: Point 8. Yes, have you got a problem with that ?...Someone of us have NO choice. Yes, NO choice ! ...John 5:25 The dead shall hear His voice and those who hear will live.

So then why are trying to get people to repent? If they have no choice then it won't matter. I can repent all day long, every minute of my life, but if God already chose me because He hated since satan made me then I am going to hell no matter what. That is not the nature of God, and the reason why you don't know that is because from Genesis 1:1 you got it wrong. As you stated "From here on, every imaginable satanic doctrine is now unleashed of which we are not ignorant". Open your eyes.

Tim 14, Paul 0, tie 1, in this debate.

Anyone else see a pattern here?

January 03, 2018 1:39 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

No Brenda, there isn't any God who made Jesus, that is a fallacy.

You see, (Hebr, 13:8) Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever.
(Isaiah 43:10-12) Understand that I am He, before Me NO God was formed nor will there be one after Me. And (Rom. 9:5) Jesus Christ is God over all forever praised.

January 03, 2018 2:56 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Tim, you have a strange way of reasoning a doctrine.
You are reasoning backward from a fixed position, and from a fixed doctrine of which you are assuming that you are right. And with that kind of reasoning you will never come to know the truth.

So let’s start from beginning. (Gen. 1:1) God was first, and no one else, there were NOT two or three entities there who had a dialogue with each other.
Do you agree ? Yes or no ?
And if you agree, then don’t EVER in the future go back again to more than one God or entity.

So what’s it going to be, YES or NO ? ?

January 03, 2018 3:06 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Oh, you want me to answer you...wow, you see it goes both ways. But I actually will answer you.

There is one God. We've established that from day one. There answer is yes. But you don't understand His nature.

That's where I start,from the beginning, not backwards as you claim.

You add an extra creator. And yes the two words are the same. You add the word Satan on scripture and he isn't mentioned until the fall of Adam. The whole creation story is about God, nothing else. He is the creator. He put all things in motion. He WOULD NEVER say it was good if Satan helped. Why would he give Satan a pat on the back? Why would he say creation was good if Satan helped? Notice it says he rested in Genesis 2, not Satan. Because Satan had nothing to do with it.

And I have a strange way of reasoning?

January 03, 2018 8:51 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

By the way, please don't think that you fooled us. We know why you are now taking this direction of debate. You switched from what I was doing to what you are trying to do because you know you were being defeated the other way. That is your ploy. You get cornered. You get trapped. You then change the way things go. Because if you noticed, there were still a few questions you did not answer.

Tim 15---Paul 0

January 03, 2018 10:10 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

Plus look what you said to Brenda, No Brenda, there isn't any God who made Jesus, that is a fallacy.

Made???? As in a son? Or create? Jesus wasn't out of nothing right? So He was "made" in your own words. After all, He didn't come out of Mary a full grown man. He was born like a baby, by being the seed of the Holy Spirit. By the way, if the Spirit is the seed, wouldn't that make the Spirit the father too??? And you said the spirit is not the father.

Paul????? Do you even hear yourself at all? I can see why you are so confused. You actually must listen to yourself. I am glad you are an ambassador and not a pastor/minister/preacher/elder. Your flock would be eating desert sand thinking it was straw.

January 03, 2018 10:15 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
I do not think you understand the English language very well. I did not say that God 'made' Jesus, I said:-

'there is One God the Father, Who made Jesus, His Son, our Lord.'

This is saying that God the Father made Jesus our Lord. He made Jesus 'become' our Lord so that means God gave all authority to Jesus.

January 04, 2018 12:10 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

It's ok to say you're wrong. There is no shame in saying you're still learning. I'm still learning. Brenda is still learning. Keith is still learning. The problem is you think you know it all. But it clearly shows that you don't. That is why we wanted to discuss these things but you kept trying to make it a debate. And it clearly shows you don't know how to do that either. I didn't want to debate because debating doesn't save anyone. You claim to want people to repent, then stop making things a debate and discuss it with us. You lost this debate. Start learning and discuss. Ask questions without being accusatory or judgmental. We would get a long so much better. I know you're not here to make friends, but I think it would better if you could try to be friends and discuss and teach what you know rather than just argue and push people away.

January 04, 2018 12:22 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Add not to His words, or else He will rebuke You and prove you a liar.

January 04, 2018 2:27 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Tim, you said, “There is one God. We've established that from day one. There answer is yes. But you don't understand His nature.”

Is that a sort of a ‘yes’ ? or a yes’ ish ?

I have this funny feeling that your ‘yes’ is NOT yes and your no, is not no.
You are already trying to put a NATURE on God, so that you can divide God a few sentences later.

OK, to clarify that God has NO nature in the beginning.

The nature is the ‘KIND’ which God created (Gen. 1:11 and 12, and 21 and 24 and 25 ect.)
So, the word nature was NOT used in genesis.
The kind is that what it is designed for, its borders and limitations, what it can do and what it can not do, what it likes and what it does not like, its habits and peculiarities, and it's looks etc.

That is the ‘KIND’ or the nature.
But because God has NOT been created, therefore God does NOT have a kind or a nature in genesis.
Aldough God did have a kind or nature after His incarnation about 4 thousand years later, the nature of man ‘Adam’.
But, we are talking about Genesis 1 onward.

Genesis 1:1-- to the sixth day, God alone created everything, all the birds and cattle and every beast of the field Gen.1:26.
Now, there was only God and the beasts of the field and nobody else.
Now, do you agree with that ?
And please say YES or NO, so that we can look at the making of man.

January 04, 2018 4:45 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Benda,
You said, “I do not think you understand the English language very well. I did not say that God 'made' Jesus, I said:-

'there is One God the Father, Who made Jesus, His Son, our Lord.'

This is saying that God the Father made Jesus our Lord. He made Jesus 'become' our Lord so that means God gave all authority to Jesus.”

That to me says that God made Jesus.

('there is One God the Father, Who made Jesus, His Son, our Lord.').

Well, if that is not the devil's deception then what is ?

Look Brenda, I know that you can’t see that, even though it’s so plain obvious.
So, what are you going to do about that ?

I suggest, perhaps see a pastor or an elder.
Well, I can’t see that either, because you see yourself in authority over everyone else,
just you and God, and whoever that God might be.


And that is a dangerous position to be Brenda.

January 04, 2018 4:52 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

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January 04, 2018 7:16 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Blogger Brenda said...
Paul what I said does not say that God 'made' Jesus. In the English language 'God made Jesus Lord' means God appointed Jesus as Lord.

Acts ch. 2 vs.32 - 36 reads:-

' God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
'The Lord said to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.'
'Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah'

From the last sentence Paul, you can see quite clearly that it is stated by the apostle Peter that God made Jesus both Lord and Messiah.

The word 'made' here means 'appointed'. So where it is said that God made Jesus both Lord and Messiah, the verse is saying that God appointed Jesus as Lord and Messiah. This is how the English language can use the word 'made' to mean appointed. I would have thought you would have known this Paul

January 04, 2018 7:21 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 04, 2018 9:55 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

See how I can play your game? No one else would have been confused by my answer. But you most certainly were. One can see that in your response. No one misunderstood the word "nature". We all knew I was not referring to trees, rain, the stars, laws of motion and so forth when I said "nature". If it is "in your nature" that means it is natural for you to be like that, not actually to be part of nature. Just like your nature is to be accusatory, judgmental, rude, and lunacy. So please stop playing a game with words.

God's "nature" would be spirit. He hovered over the waters. His spirit guided the Israelites. His spirit lives in us.

And on a side note, you said the word nature is not in the Genesis passage. So therefore by your own thought process it is not biblical basically. YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU add the word satan to the creation story when the word satan is NOT in there either. YOU add the words sexual relations between Eve and satan when it is not in Genesis.

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't have it both ways Paul. BY YOUR OWN RATIONALIZATION...satan CAN NOT be in the creation story because he is not mentioned. AND YOU CAN'T then say he is the serpent because the word serpent is used and not satan. See how stupid that sounds?

SO to answer your questions:
There is only one God (LAST TIME WE EVER NEED TO SAY THAT), the answer is YES PAUL. UNDERSTAND?

God's nature is Spirit. HEAR THAT PAUL??? (LAST TIME WE EVER NEED TO SAY THAT)


Now YOU ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EITHER YES OR NO: Does 1 multiplied by 1 and multiplied again by 1 equal 1?

January 04, 2018 10:14 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, Tim and Brenda, I've been deliberately staying out of this discussion. However, if you will indulge me for one Quick Question to all of you....What does Matthew 27:46 say in your Bibles?

January 05, 2018 10:59 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Well Keith as I stated to Paul back on December 27 up above, Jesus cries out in a foreign language... Eloi ,eloi lama sabachthani. My God, my God why have you forsaken me.

January 05, 2018 12:39 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Brenda, don’t you think that I would know those passages of the Scriptures ?
Yes, Peter made those statement, (Acts 2:36) “Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

And there are numerous other statements like that throughout the new Testament.
But do you really think that there is another person called God who made Jesus both Lord and Christ ?
I don’t think so Brenda.
NOBODY made Jesus Lord. Jesus was called Lord in the old Testament (Isa. 44:24) “I am the LORD I make all things alone”, (Isaiah 42:8) I am the Lord, that is My Name and I will NOT give My glory to another, (Isaiah 47:4) The Lord of host is His Name, the holy one of Israel, etc.

So, nobody made Jesus Lord, and neither did anyone APPOINTED Jesus as Lord, those are metaphoric sayings, a figure of speech, something you don’t understand, otherwise you would believe and be saved.

January 05, 2018 4:02 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Tim, I do NOT play any games.
For playing games is for infants and not for mature man of God.

OK, as I have said that God has NO nature or kind in Genesis 1. And don’t try to chop up everything in order to bring confusion. I am NOT confused.
Stay on Genesis 1:26.

Genesis 1:26. So, there are all the beast made in their image, but no man was yet made in the image of God.
Then God said to one of the beast of the field, the serpent who was more crafty than all the beasts of the field, "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, and according to OUR LIKENESS;" (Genesis 1:26).
TWO IMAGE and TWO LIKENESS is to be made.


(Genesis 1:27) Then God created first His image, and He created him (Adam) in his own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Now God has created His image, and now the other image is to come.

Do you agree with that ?

January 05, 2018 4:11 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
where you say in your last comment to me:-
'But do you really think that there is another person called God who made Jesus both Lord and Christ ?
I don’t think so Brenda'

There is a vast difference between what you or I both THINK, and what we KNOW.

Regarding what we think - If it is different to what is written in those scriptures, then it is coming from the carnal mind.

Regarding what we know - as Jesus said:- 'IT IS WRITTEN.'

There is a difference between a metaphor and plain speaking Paul, and John ch. 16 vs.25 - 32 show quite clearly that Jesus saying that He has a Father is not a metaphor (figure of speech, or speaking figuratively):-

'Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.'
Then Jesus’ disciples said,'Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.'
'Do you now believe?' Jesus replied. 'A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.'

January 06, 2018 1:01 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Just noticed you question Keith,
In my Bible Matthew ch. 27 v.46 reads:-

'And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice 'Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-tha'ni?'that is 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'

January 06, 2018 1:13 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Thanks Brenda and Tim.

Now, Paul, what does your bible say, in Matthew 27:46?

January 06, 2018 1:42 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

You do play games. Let me demonstrate:

1. You have gone to at least four people's blogs only to add your opinion without getting involved with the discussion.
2. That leads then into you saying over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
3. You ask the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
4. YET YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS Example: I have two above you haven't answered yet and Keith just asked you a question that we all have answered, but not you.
5. When someone finds a hole in your doctrine and calls you out on it, you run away from it by changing the topic, refusing to answer, or you try and start asking your own questions again thinking we will forget the topic.
6. You subtract from scripture.
7. You add to scripture. The big example here is your last post to me. You said, "Genesis 1:26. So, there are all the beast made in their image, but no man was yet made in the image of God...Then God said to one of the beast of the field, the serpent who was more crafty than all the beasts of the field, "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, and according to OUR LIKENESS;" (Genesis 1:26)...TWO IMAGE and TWO LIKENESS is to be made.

Now tell us Paul, where is the serpent mentioned before 1:26? Since you won't answer like a spoiled little brat, I will answer it for you. IT's NOT THERE. The serpent isn't mentioned until 3:1. You added God spoke to one of the beasts and added the serpent as that beast. As you say all the time YOU MADE THAT UP. The serpent in this case though is not an actual animal that speaks. John tells us the serpent was actually the devil or satan. The serpent was not an actual speaking animal of the time. See how I didn't add to scripture but I USED scripture to explain scripture. You DON'T do that. You just add some imaginary junk into it all. And that is what confuses you. You start out on the wrong note. You add more to it and then the rest just fools you.

Now I want you to think about this when two humans like Adam and Eve procreate and "made a man in their likeness" and had Abel, he looked like them, right? If the serpent, who had not the physiology to have a physical relation with Eve, yet had a child like Cain, wouldn't Cain and all of those who are in his likeness....have tails, scales, split tongues, and things that serpents do? See how stupid that sounds?

SO PAUL...here is your answer to your question, Paul asked, Do you agree with that ? The answer is NO!!!!! Is that clear enough? Did I chop it up?

Now Paul,m if you are not playing any games then answer our questions: Two simple questions. One is a yes or no....as you said, "I have this funny feeling that your ‘yes’ is NOT yes and your no, is not no." But I have a funnier feeling you can't answer because you know your whole doctrine would prove to be wrong.

Does 1 multiplied by 1 and multiplied again by 1 equal 1? YES or NO?????????
What does Matthew 27:46 say in your Bibles? Well??????? All you have to do is copy and paste.

Tim 19 Paul 0 tie 1 in this debate.

January 06, 2018 2:40 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul
One more question from your own words:

Why does it say our image and not our images? They would be different images, so IN ENGLISH, that would mean plural words would be needed. OUR IMAGE means one image yet a PLURAL creator.

COULD ANSWER AT LEAST ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS?

January 06, 2018 2:44 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Interesting enough, my bible says the same thing, in Matthew 27:

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'

January 06, 2018 6:17 AM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you actually just use John 10 and Matthew 13 to justify your gibberish? I was actually going to ask a question when it became obvious that you were insulting us readers.

January 06, 2018 12:43 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Anonymous,

Welcome to the game. To answer your question, yes, he was insulting his readers. If you want the truth and have a question that needs answered you should ask his readers not him.

January 06, 2018 12:56 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Tim, you said, “Now tell us Paul, where is the serpent mentioned before 1:26? Since you won't answer like a spoiled little brat,”

Hmmm,

January 06, 2018 4:13 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda, Keith and Chris, isn’t that amazing, that not one of you believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. No, not even one believes that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God ? That is a shame on all of you.
Then you tell me, who is then your God ?

And don’t say, ‘God’ or YHWH or Yahweh or Jehovah, those names are not in the Bible. And God is NOT a name, but a tile, and neither is YHWH a name,
The Jehovah Witnesses say exactly the same as you do, and they are considered to be a cult, what makes you any different ?

January 06, 2018 4:15 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

It's a simple question, Paul. What does your Bible say in Matthew 27:46? Please!!! I really want to know.

January 06, 2018 11:23 PM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Oh great ambassador of the most high. Conveyor of the word of God. Speaker of all truth. We are waiting on thy wisdom. What does the Word say in Matthew 27:46?

January 07, 2018 12:40 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Is that your answer????? "Hmmmm"

I have to say though that is your most believable answer you have had.

January 07, 2018 1:07 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Serpent got your tongue?

January 07, 2018 1:11 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

I do have to agree, Mr. Tim.

January 07, 2018 1:21 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

😇

January 07, 2018 1:22 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

I do believe that Paul is afraid to answer.

January 07, 2018 9:53 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Dear Paul's Mommy, Can Paul come out to play? We will try not to hurt his feelings anymore, as long as he answers our questions. By the way, has Paul always been this sensitive? Has he always stuck his fingers in his ears when he doesn't like what he hears?

January 07, 2018 9:58 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul is 14 hours ahead of American Eastern Time zone. So give him a few hours. He only responds when we're asleep.

January 07, 2018 10:09 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him and saying, ‘He saved others; He cannot save Himself. He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe in Him. He trusts in God; let God rescue Him now, if He delights in Him; for He said, I am the Son of God.

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani ?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me ?”

Some of those standing there, when they heard it, began saying, this man is calling for Elijah. Let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him.


So, NOT even one of you believes that the Lord Jesus Christ is ‘GOD’ ?
No, not even one.

Every Christian believes that the Lord Jesus is ‘God’, that is the requirement for everyone who claims to be a Christian.
If you are not, then you would be called a Jehovah Witness or a Yahweh Witness.
Either way, you would be called a deceived person and you would not be acceptable in any Christian Church.
Please check with your pastor or elder and see whether you are still in the faith, for that is the foundation of the entire Christian Church.

January 07, 2018 8:59 PM   Edit
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January 07, 2018 11:42 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, Thank You for finally admitting that Jesus spoke Aramaic. It’s taken a few years, but this is good progress. Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani is what Jesus, whose Aramaic/ Hebrew name was Y’shua, spoke in Aramaic,

Since Jesus spoke Aramaic, whose Aramaic name name was Y’shua, then it shows that the Bible,you have in your hand, is a different language translation than what Y’shua/Jesus actually spoke. Since you agree that Y’shua/Jesus spoke Aramaic, can we also agree on that?

January 07, 2018 11:43 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

Don't deny it. EVERY name in the Bible is not in English. Adam is not English. His name means "man". Every time you see the word El in a name means "God". Elijah means God is God, El Yah.

Daniel. Ezekiel. Gabriel. Michael. Elisha.

All names have meanings in another language.

Cities like Bethel means house of God.

These are just examples. The word El and the word Yah is in there everywhere.

You just admitted it.

Can't back down now. No retracing your steps. No excuses.

Keith just showed you. Period.

January 08, 2018 12:12 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Praise the Lord,
the truth has finally been acknowledged.

January 08, 2018 12:28 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Hallelujah. Isn’t that Hebrew for “Praises to God!”? Isn’t that what the angels said when Jesus was born and when every soul is saved? With that said, I wonder if we will see Paul for a few days, while he thinks of someway to deny what he just admitted.

For now, rejoice for God‘s victory in Paul‘s life, for tomorrow the battle will rage on.

January 08, 2018 12:54 AM   Edit
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, since you didn't answer my last comment, I'll try it another way. In your parable, are you trying to say that God created Satan/Serpent/Evil so his 'Great Majesty' could be known and understood? Are you also saying that only God's people would understand your parable?

January 08, 2018 5:11 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Look at the fifth one down. Modern Day Puritan Church

Paul doesn't even believe in what Puritans believe in about the Trinity. That shows he is following his own doctrine, not event he one he proclaims.

As a footnote, most puritan churches in American are no more. Many of them became what in the US we call United Church of Christ. I am from something called the Christian/Church of Christ denomination, although we claim not to be a denomination. Many of their beliefs is what I have a background in which is why I have a hard time believing in Paul's ideas.

January 08, 2018 12:51 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Yep, He clearly doesn’t believe Puritan beliefs. I wonder what happen to the guy who started this blog. He didn’t believe the same as Paul. You can see that in the earliest writings on this blog

January 08, 2018 1:51 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

I've asked him. It must be a sensitive topic. In all sincerity I hope he is still in Paul's life.

January 08, 2018 2:03 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

What I noticed regarding Puritan belief when I read the link that Tim has put up called' Modern Day Puritan Church' in his last but one comment:-
When I read it there is a part that says:-

'We believe that God, in grace, has planned to save many, called in Scripture, the Elect, from this condition, and therefore we reject the idea that God desires the salvation of all'

This completely goes against what 1 Timothy ch.2 vs. 3-5 states:-

'For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is One God and One Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,'

January 08, 2018 7:10 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

So, you think that does give you the right to pervert God’s one and only Name JESUS to another name called Y’shua, and then you claim that you believe in the Bible.

Isn’t that strange that you are trying to remove the Name of Jesus Christ by introducing an unbiblical name called Y’shua.

Isn't that strange that you call the creator of heaven and earth Jesus Christ by another name Jehovah and Yahweh (NOT in the Bible).

Isn’t that strange that you are praying to a God (NOT found in the Bible) THROUGH a man called Y’shua, and then say at the end ‘IN JESUS NAME’.

Isn’t that strange that you are worshipping another god called Yahweh, when all the Christians worship the Lord Jesus Christ.
And when you are caught, you say that you are worshipping Yahweh THROUGH the Lord Jesus Christ, perhaps just like a doormat.

Isn’t that strange that you all are so zealous in demoting the Lord Jesus Christ to a mere man, and giving one another compliments.

When the Lord Jesus is calling His bride, do you think that He will receive you if you never worshipped Him ?
Or will He say, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness I never knew you ?

January 08, 2018 7:23 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Well, to me it not so strange, since the Lord Jesus Christ said that nobody knows the Son except the Father, and nobody knows the Father except the Son and him whom He chooses to reveal him.



Satan said to Jesus, ‘All these things I will give You, if you fall down and worship me’.

And did you noticed, the Lord Jesus Christ didn’t worship your false god Jehovah or Yahweh as you do, and neither did Jesus Christ ever worshipped in the Bible at any time.

NO they worshipped the Lord Jesus Christ alone and not the devil who is called Jehovah or Yahweh as you do (Mat. 28:9).

For the Lord Jesus Christ seeks worshipers who worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

Obviously you have been ensnared by Satan, so as to transgress the first and the second commandment of the Lord, and therefore you need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins.

January 08, 2018 8:31 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Isn’t it strange how you don’t read the Bible?

Isn’t it strange how you make mountains out of mole hills?

Isn’t it strange how you want to argue rather than discuss?

Isn’t it strange how you want to argue that the sky is blue when others refer to it as sky blue?

January 08, 2018 8:44 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Bottom line: you say we got caught, when in fact you got caught admitting that Jesus spoke a different language than English. Then you get angry and lash out at us.

January 08, 2018 8:46 PM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Brenda, Paul and the Puritans have already shown that they have no desire to read what is actually in the bible. They appear to make it up as they go. I think most level headed people can see that when they come here to Paul's blog. I hope.

January 08, 2018 9:43 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul, Paul, Paul!!! (now I only am speaking to one person, I didn't want you to think I was talking to three Pauls, so don't get confused.

All we are doing is using what you have said to prove what you have said. See, that is what you are supposed to do with scripture as well. Prove scripture with scripture. Jesus spoke another language---in the Bible. A lot of names and places are even said in the Bible, such as Abraham's name means "father of many" Genesis 17:5

But watch this one; Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." Abraham in the KJV actually said JEHOVAH!!!!!! JIREH!!!!! Who was he speaking about? It means the LORD provides. Who is the Lord if it means Jehovah?

Is Abraham taking away Jesus when he says that? How could that be?

Plus when I teach world history there is a king of Spain during the early 1800s who was named Carlos III but all of our books say Charles III in English. Is that a different person? No. But I think it is wrong to call him Charles because that really wasn't his name.

We just showed you Jesus spoke Aramaic/Hebrew. We just showed you Abraham used the term Jehovah.

We aren't taking Jesus' name out of anything. Not one us denies Jesus. Watch: JESUS IS LORD!!! But just like Carlos and Charles are the same thing. Y'Shua is LORD!!! Same thing.

At this point in time we no longer have to argue this. We all believe in Jesus.

Now, about reducing Jesus to a mere man. Do you not read Hebrews 2:9 (or should that book be called English 2:9?) Again in KJV for you Mr Puritan, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

How was He made??????
How is He lower than the angels if the angels are lower than God?
Is it by His own Grace that He raises Himself?

This verse alone destroys almost everything you have argued for. Because here is what your answers should be, actually there is one answer for all three:

He was made flesh! JOHN 1:14 HE BECAME FLESH!!!!!! scripture to prove scripture.

You sound like a robot who has been given proof beyond his programming and just repeats himself in a confusing manner until smoke comes out of his head and he shuts down.

You keep saying we need to repent. You keep saying we have no choice (we're chosen). How can we repent when we have no choice?

And you know you still haven't answered my questions:
When was the serpent mentioned in Genesis 1:26?
Wouldn't there be people with tails, scales, split tongues like the serpent if he is the father of a lot of people?
What is 1*1*1?

I lost count...Tim 22 Paul 0, I took the tie away you never responded to it.

January 09, 2018 2:03 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
it was the serpent in Genesis ch. 3 v.1 who said exactly what you are saying constantly:- 'Did God really say?'.
All you appear to do is question God's Word. I honestly do not know why, as if you was to change what I write then it would become 'edited' by you - not my original words.

January 09, 2018 7:12 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Satan said to Jesus, “All these things I will give You, if you fall down and worship me”.

And did you noticed, the Lord Jesus Christ did NOT worship your false god Jehovah or Yahweh as you do, and neither did Jesus Christ ever worshipped in the Bible at any time.

NO they worshipped the Lord Jesus Christ alone and not the devil who is called Jehovah or Yahweh as you do (Mat. 28:9).

For the Lord Jesus Christ seeks worshipers who worship Him in Spirit and in truth. And we are those who worship the Lord Jesus Christ in Spirit and in truth just as they did in Matthew 28:9 and in John 9:38.
We worship the only TRUE God our saviour the Lord Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25) who is our GREAT God our saviour (Titus 2:10-13) and not that FALSE god Jehovah or Yahweh of the Jehovah Witness cult.

Obviously you have been ensnared by Satan, so as to transgress the first and the second commandment of the Lord, and therefore you need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins.

January 09, 2018 7:15 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

'Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.'

Who was Jesus being led up into the wilderness by? - 'the Spirit'.

It was a test to see if Jesus would remain faithful to what God had said, and not be tempted by Satan towards worldly things. Just as we have to be Paul.

January 09, 2018 8:39 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Wow Paul. You've skipped me before but you skipped a major point. JEHOVAH is in the Bible. How is it not talking about God? Why would you skip such an important part of the debate?????

January 09, 2018 8:45 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, There are three separate times, in the Bible, where it states that Y’shua, Jesus, worshipped his Father, by singing praise. (The parallel verses of Matthew 26:30 and Mark 14:26), Hebrews 2:12 and Romans 15:9. Don’t you think that it’s time for you to read your Bible?

January 09, 2018 10:03 PM   Edit
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January 10, 2018 5:26 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Yes Brenda God did say that you shall NOT worship any other God, (Exo. 20:2-5) “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
You shall Have NO other gods before Me.
You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
You shall NOT WORSHIP them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate Me.”

Now Brenda, what exactly don’t you understand ?
Is it that you don’t understand that you should NOT worship the DEVIL who is called Yahweh ?
Well, either you worship the LORD Jesus Christ or you worship him who said, “All these things I will give you, if you fall down and worship me”.

NO Brenda, there is NO other way, either you will worship the LORD Jesus Christ, which you don’t, or you will worship SATAN the god of this world (2 Cor, 4:4). And you can call him by whatever name you like to give him, as long it is NOT the LORD Jesus Christ.

January 10, 2018 11:48 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith,
“After singing a hymn, THEY went out to the Mount of Olives.”

Is that the Lord Jesus worshipping Yahweh ?

I think you are out of your mind. And neither is Hebrew 2:12 and Romans 15:9, the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT worship, but rather He is worshipped by those who worship the Father in Spirit and in truth Matthew 28:9.
You need to read your Bible properly.

January 10, 2018 11:50 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Wow! Did anyone else's neck hurt after that 180° turn. Paul, you know the truth. You can't hide your acknowledgement of it, then change the subject. The Bible was not originally in English and you acknowledged it. Not only does your bible have original Samarian and Hebrew words, it also has Hebrew names in it. If you are truly an ambassador, quit dodging and lying and act like the one you supposedly represent. Jesus doesn't lie.

January 10, 2018 11:58 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, Was Jesus worshipping Jesus or another God? He definitely wasn’t worshiping himself or another God. In the Hebrews and Romans verses, Paul is talking about Jesus. You are wrong again, my friend,in the same way you are wrong about the language of the Bible. At least you acknowledged that.

January 10, 2018 12:12 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Hey Paul!!!!!

Are you playing a game again?

I noticed in your response to Brenda that you did not include Jehovah in your monologue. You only said Yahweh this time. I guess you lost that debate hug? And you didn't argue about the language this time with Keith. I think you're learning.

Now if you knew that Jehovah is just Yahweh with different letters since Hebrew did not have the J in the alphabet. By the way the word alphabet is not English. It is Greek alpha and beta. See how language works?

Why do you skip me? Are you afraid to engage in a conversation with me?

Tim 23 Paul 0.

January 10, 2018 2:00 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith,
Matthew 14:33 The Apostles WORSHIPPED JESUS. And do you think that the Lord Jesus would worship a god called Yahweh ?
May it never be, that is just plain ignorance to claim that the Lord Jesus Christ would worship a god called Yahweh.
All of you need to repent, but you don’t like to repent for worshiping a false god.
Revelation 14:7 WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth.

January 10, 2018 4:50 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...


Paul,
what you have written here is blasphemy:-
'Is it that you don’t understand that you should NOT worship the DEVIL who is called Yahweh ?'

What would you say these words mean in Mark ch. 10 vs. 17 and 18:-

'As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him. 'Good Teacher,' he asked, 'what must I do to inherit eternal life?' 'Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied, 'No one is good except God alone.'

Please just answer my question, because if you just evade the question it will appear to everyone that reads this that you do not know what this scripture is saying.

January 10, 2018 6:46 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Well Brenda, you should be ashamed to call the creator of heaven and earth BAD.

You now that it is the Lord Jesus Christ who alone is good and any man a liar, for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is absurd to think that Yahweh who is the devil would be good and Jesus would be bad. ONLY God is good and anyone else is bad.

January 10, 2018 7:17 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Am I surprised Paul, and probably everyone who is reading this, that you have not answered my question.
What you have said in your comment is so ridiculous:- read my comment again.

1) where have I called anyone BAD?

2)where in the scriptures do any words appear to say that the Lord Jesus Christ alone is good?

3)where in the scriptures does it say that Yahweh is the devil?

I ask you again to answer my questions, my last comment included please.

January 10, 2018 7:46 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Look what Paul says here and see if anyone else sees a problem:

Hi DaFog,
Yes, there were numerous trinitarians among the Puritans.
But so what ? in fact most of them were trinitarians in one way or another.

Does that make them unbelievers ? certainly not.
And does that make the trinity doctrine true ? certainly NOT, if they or you would have only thought a little bit about that nonsense, you would have condemn it too.

And NO, I am not a Puritan, and I don’t belong to any Puritan church for obvious reasons, but they call me a Puritan because I fully understand the doctrine of election.
And not because I am smarter than you, but because the Lord Jesus Christ has given me insight into that doctrine.


This is from his post right before this one.

January 10, 2018 10:04 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

Who is Jehovah? Explain Genesis 22:14. If you can't then ALL of your doctrine is lost. Now, granted many translations do not include the word but the most trusted ENGLISH translations do.

January 10, 2018 10:30 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

You also NEVER answered WHO the Holy Spirit is as well.

Seems like you have a lot of holes in your beliefs.

January 11, 2018 12:35 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Does that make them unbelievers ? certainly not.

Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

January 11, 2018 4:57 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Right Keith. He keeps telling us to repent, but they I guess have the grace of God. I still don't get why we have to repent if I have no choice.

January 11, 2018 6:14 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

There’s so many problems with their doctrine of election.

January 11, 2018 10:27 AM   Edit
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January 11, 2018 10:48 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, Not only does the word ‘they’ refer back to those who were being talked about in the previous verses, that is Jesus and the apostles, it also doesn’t just say that the apostles praised Jesus. It says that all sung.

But, I’ll tell you what. I’ll give you the Matthew and Mark verses. The Hebrews and Romans verses clearly point out that Jesus praised and still praises. You can’t get around that. You see Paul, the whole Bible must support your doctrine, before it can be true.

Read Hebrews 2:11-13 and Romans 15:8-9

So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. He says, "I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises." And again, "I will put my trust in him." And again he says, "Here am I, and the children God has given me."

For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed.and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing the praises of your name."

I’m sorry, my friend, but you are wrong again. Jesus praise and worshipped his Father.

You need to read your whole Bible. Now that you confirmed that the Bible was originally written in another language, maybe you’ll start to see the real truth.

January 11, 2018 12:34 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Even the English version tells Paul, and all who read it, everything you have written regarding those verses Keith.
Paul just refuses to believe the truth of the scriptures, and what Jesus Himself says.
If Paul refuses to be a brother of Jesus, with God as his Father, then Paul is just not one of the children of God -and not part of the family - by his own choosing.

January 11, 2018 6:42 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Brenda,
You know I have answered that question. All you are looking for is to escape the call for you to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Brenda, there is only one who is good, and who is that ?
John 8:46 Can anyone convict Me of sin ?

You know that there is noone in the Bible called Yahweh. It’s just not there, you are
making that up, you have invented a god because you wanted to put your own god up, so that you can worship him. Just like pagan Israel who always worshiped their idols.
But you suppose to worship the Father, our LORD Jesus Christ in Spirit and in truth.

January 11, 2018 7:49 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

No Keith, Jesus NEVER worshipped at anytime, and there is NO God called Yahweh in the Bible.

As the Lord Jesus Christ has been worshipped as in Matthew 28:9, then the LORD would NOT worship another one when the Lord said ‘that you shall only worship the Lord your God.
Otherwise you would worship TWO gods.

Look Keith, don’t try to pervert the Scripture, Mark 7:7 “In vain do they WORSHIP Me, teaching as doctrines the precept of men.”
(v.8) Neglecting the commandments of God.
We worship the only TRUE God our saviour the Lord Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25) who is our GREAT God our saviour (Titus 2:10-13).

January 11, 2018 7:53 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Alright Paul, please explain what Hebrewss 2:11-13 and Romans 15:8-9 is saying.

January 11, 2018 8:41 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

I agree, Brenda. It amazes me how people can totally disregard what is written in the Bible and cling to their own made-up doctrine.

January 11, 2018 8:44 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

I'm not going away Paul. You came to my blog first and now you don't want to engage in a conversation with me. Everytime you ignore me you validate my views.

So I will keep asking. Who is the Holy Spirit? Who is Jehovah? What is 1 * 1 * 1? Wouldn't the children of the serpent have scales, split-tongues, and tails?

And now you yourself had added another question, how come you say the Puritans that you quote are saved but we're not?

How come I have to repent if I don't have a choice?

For anyone to believe your view or your man-made doctrine, you need to answer these or you fail at being an ambassador of Christ! If you truly have words from Christ then you would be able to answer these. But you clearly do not have the ability. So with that said you clearly do not have anything given to you by Christ.

January 11, 2018 9:00 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Well said, Mr. Tim!

January 11, 2018 9:04 PM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Would you expect an ambassador of the one and only God to lie? Just asking. Have you thought that Paul was sent by Satan into our lives to keep us busy doing other things other than doing the will of God? Just a thought.

January 11, 2018 10:06 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
do not just read one verse in John ch. 8. Read what surrounds the verse you quoted:-

'Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.'

January 11, 2018 11:14 PM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

There is only One winner Chris,
and it is good sometimes to quote what is actually written when the spiritual enemy tries to convince people of his lies through a man made doctrine that does not line up with scripture.
Everyone who comes over to this blog can check all of the comments using the Bible as their plumb line.

Revealing the truth is actually doing the will of God and does not stop us from sharing on our blogs.
Hopefully, over the next couple of weeks I will put a new post up, as there are things coming into my mind that I want to write about.
However, we shall be moving soon so I will be off the blog for a couple of weeks maybe.

January 11, 2018 11:21 PM   Edit
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January 12, 2018 12:03 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Chris,

I have had that thought too but here is how I see it. I believe all Christians are saved if they truly believed and not in name only. But I believe Christians can be tormented, either by harassment or obsession by a demon. Sometimes we know we are being misled, sometimes we aren't. I think Paul is obsessed by one. If he was actually able to to talk about issues and expand his knowledge and even share it with us I would think differently. But all he does is a monologue of his obsession. He can't even answer the question, "How are you feeling today Paul?" without steering toward his obsession. So your point is taken. It definitely has some satanic pull in it but maybe not as bad as you think. Maybe God sent him to us so he could learn and have some of his obsession dwindle away. I get annoyed with him but maybe I am more annoyed with the obsession. It blinds him and quite frankly lowers his spiritual intelligence. He sounds like a broken record, like a small child who can't understand things; it makes him play games and causes him to be inconsistent because the doctrine is not sound. There are too many holes in what he says and even he can't fill the holes. That is why he doesn't answer questions. That is why he runs from conversations.

January 12, 2018 12:20 AM   Edit
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January 12, 2018 4:19 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

I agree with Brenda and Tim. As long as Paul doesn't become, as Tim says, an obsession to us, we are doing the will of God, by continuing to put out the Word of God. I can assure you that Paul's blog isn't the only blog or website that we visit.

Also, as Tim said, how Paul acts is textbook demon influence, not possession. You also said that you were amazed at how instant, his 180° turnabouts are. Think about it, That's exactly what a demon or evil spirit does, when confronted with the truth of the scriptures, he runs away. Think about Gollum, in the Hobbit, or a heroin addict. That's exactly how Paul acts. As Brenda said, we are her for Paul, but also for the individual that happens upon his blog.

Finally, it's not Paul that's really lying. It's the demonic influence. Yes, I know that Paul is cognitive and actually responsible of what's going on, but like the addict, the demon or evil influence is doing a great job at stroking his ego and worldly desires to be very important. It feels good to Paul to be an important individual in the Kingdom. Therefore, the demon or evil spirit has thoroughly convinced him that Jesus appeared to him and told him that he is the chief ambassador to the world.

True, we are all ambassadors, but there is none greater than the other. The demonic influence has thoroughly convinced Paul that he is greater than all that's around him, including the scriptures. If Paul has been truthful, he's between 50-60 years old and the demonic influence has been with him a long time, so it will take a long time for Paul to dig out of the mess he's in. If we continue to put forth the Word of God, I am faithful that the Spirit of God will give Paul the strength to pull through.

There is one more thing. I like what Tim said, in his comment, "Maybe God sent him to us so he could learn and have some of his obsession dwindle away." That's true and you can see a little of that occasionally. However, on the other hand, everytime we respond, we are supposed to go back to the Word and restudy our position. I don't know about you, but at the age of 57, the Lord gives be something new everytime. Praise God! B'ruch Atah YHWH, HawYah!!! B'ruch Atah Y'shua, B'shem Adonai. YHWH HawYahShua!!!!

January 12, 2018 4:37 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Sorry, I meant to translate the Hebrew. I don't want to be more confusing than what I already am. :-) LOL

B'ruch Atah YHWH, HawYah!!! B'ruch Atah Y'shua, B'shem Adonai. YHWH HawYahShua!!!!

Blessed are you YHWH, the I AM!!! Blessed are you Y'shua, the one who came in the name of the Lord. YHWH I AM Salvation!!!!

January 12, 2018 4:44 AM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

Even though I agree with what Brenda, Tim and Keith says in their recent comments and I hope we make a difference, but I keep getting that nagging feeling that Paul doesn't really care about Jesus or the gospel. He enjoys jerking our chain. He gets his rocks off on getting us upset. If we were on a site with advertising, I would honestly think it's all click bait. He doesn't seem sincere at all. I hope I am wrong.

January 12, 2018 5:21 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

I do agree with what you are saying here Chris, but what comes to mind is the fact that we do not war with flesh and blood as stated in Ephesians ch. 6 vs.12:-

'For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.'

January 12, 2018 6:03 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Chris,

I agree!!! He ignores me on purpose just to try and annoy me. Or he is just so plain ignorant on what I ask him he has no way to answer. There has been times I think he is just saying things to make people mad. And let me tell you, it has worked. He is irritating. But as Keith said, it may be the demonic influence. I call it an obsession.

I also think he uses his carnal mind to explain his spiritual faith. He can't comprehend the spiritual nature of God. He thinks when I say nature I am talking about trees and stuff. He thinks when we talk about God being so much higher as a being that He can be (in my view) 3 in 1 that we are saying He is 3 different gods.

He can't grasp God in His true nature. His carnal mind is lying to him and he can't see past those lies. To him the lie is the truth. Anyone can see from what he says he is inconsistent with his doctrine. He adds and subtracts all the time. And when he is called out on that he either runs, changes the topic, or goes into his obsession (WHICH GOD ARE YOU REFERRING TO...YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, ALLAH???).

January 12, 2018 6:21 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith,
Then Cornelius WORSHIPPED Peter, but Peter rebuked him and he did not accepted the worship of Cornelius (Acts 10:25).
But when the Apostles WORSHIPPED the Lord Jesus Christ and He accepted the worship of the Apostles (Mat. 14:33).
And He did NOT say that you should not worship Him.
To the contrary, He said, “Go SATAN ! For it is written, You shall WORSHIP the Lord your God, and serve Him only” (Mat.4:10). That means, that you shall worship the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and serve Him ONLY.
(John 9:38) “And He said, ‘LORD, I believe.’ And he WORSHIPPED Him.”

Revelation 14:7 WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth.
Now tell me, WHO made the heavens and the earth ??

OK. I tell you again, JESUS made the heavens and the earth and everything in it (John 1:3-10 and Col. 1:15-20).

Revelation 13:8 “All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him (the devil), everyone whose name has NOT been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.”

January 12, 2018 7:14 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Hey everyone, William just posted a comment over at my latest blog entry. I think it's so appropriate.

"Truth is not subjective. Truth is objective and free to all who will see, if they only open their eyes."

I like it.

January 12, 2018 7:16 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, Quit trying to change the subject. You said that Jesus never worshipped God. I showed where it says he did. Bringing in verses where it says that the apostles worshipped Jesus doesn't prove your point.

January 12, 2018 7:21 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Let's try this a different way-----

Is anyone here arguing against Jesus being the Creator? Yes or No. Let's leave the comments for later. Let's take a vote:

Tim says Jesus is the Creator.

January 12, 2018 7:47 AM   Edit
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January 12, 2018 7:51 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Keith says that Jesus is the creator.

January 12, 2018 7:53 AM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith, If Jesus is the creator, then why don’t you worship Him ?
You are worshipping a false god which is NOT mentioned in the Bible, a god called Yahweh.

January 12, 2018 8:39 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Paul,

You're playing a game. All we are doing is starting from the same point.

Both of us (Me and Keith) agree that Jesus is the Creator. We can discuss the other question later, besides it's been answered 5000 times.

So far these people say Jesus is the Creator:
TIM
KEITH

January 12, 2018 9:14 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, I’ve told you before, that first there is God. He is YHWH, H’yah, some say Ehyeh, The Great I AM. He deserves worship for he is the one and only God. There is only one other person that deserves worship and that is Y’shua, known as Jesus, who is the son of God, in which dwelled the fullness of God. In our Time space, the fullness of God consist of the Word of God and his holy spirit. For this alone, Y’shua/Jesus deserves praise and worship. However, Jesus qualifies further because he was obedient as a one and only man to death on the cross, the altar of God. It’s through the Word of God that Y’shua/Jesus is the creator.

January 12, 2018 9:17 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Keith,
you could not have put it better, very scriptural.

January 12, 2018 7:04 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

No Keith, that is certainly NOT true.

There is only the creator and that is the Lord Jesus Christ and He said, “Revelation 14:7 WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth.”
And Matthew 4:10 Jesus said, “For it is WRITTEN, You shall worship the LORD your God, and serve Him only.”

Can you see, NO OTHER !

Revelation 13:8 "All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him (the devil), everyone whose name has NOT been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.”

January 12, 2018 8:26 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Once again Paul, just because you refuse to read what is written in plain English doesn’t make it so. It’s your choice to ignore what is plainly written. Don’t try to turn it back on us. Again, it is your choice to ignore what is plainly written.

January 12, 2018 8:57 PM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

We both said Jesus is the creator. You have not answered yet Paul. Are you denying Jesus is the creator? You can't even agree with us when we are trying to find common ground? What is wrong with you? Seriously???

January 12, 2018 8:58 PM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Tim, God knows that we’ve tried. It’s like talking to a mindless drone. It’s bad enough if he misinterprets, but he continually mistates what is actually there.

January 12, 2018 9:08 PM   Edit
Blogger Paul G said...

Keith,
Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him (the devil), everyone whose name has NOT been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.”

So then, ALL who dwell on the earth WILL WORSHIP him, the devil ! that is the muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses and the Yahweh witnesses, and all who do NOT worship the LORD Jesus Christ just like you.

Think again before you are calling me a mindless drone.

January 13, 2018 10:01 AM   Edit
Blogger No Doubt said...

Paul, if you didn’t keep saying the same thing, over and over and if you actually engage in a discussion, maybe a mindless drone wouldn’t come up when discussing you.

January 13, 2018 10:15 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul?

January 13, 2018 10:25 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul??

January 13, 2018 10:25 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul???

January 13, 2018 10:25 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul????

January 13, 2018 10:26 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul?????

January 13, 2018 10:26 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Who is Jehovah, Paul??????????????????

January 13, 2018 10:27 AM   Edit
Blogger Brenda said...

Paul,
Revelation 13 v.8 is talking about the beast. What on earth are you reading?

January 13, 2018 7:02 PM   Edit
Blogger Chris said...

What are you trying to say Tim? It's not very clear.

Are you asking, "Who is Jehovah?" LOL

January 14, 2018 3:50 AM   Edit
Blogger Tim said...

Yes Chris. I am glad you understood the question. Some people can't. Odd thing is, those who understand the question also know the answer.

January 14, 2018 12:24 PM   Edit

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