The Name of God
Throughout the old testament of the Bible, no one knew the Name of God.
Judges 13:18 Manoah asked the Lord for his Name, he said, "It is beyond understanding".
Exodus 3:14 Moses asked the Lord for his Name, he said,"I Am who I Am", or it will be what it will be.
Genesis 32:29 Jacob asked the Lord for his Name, he said, "Why do you ask my Name"?
Exodus 34:14 His Name is jealous.
Also the Lord was known under the Name God and Lord.
Isaiah 9:6 Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
These are all titles and descriptions of the one Deity, yet no one knew his Name, because his Name had not been given.
Proverb 30:4 Concerning the Holy One; Agur said," What is his Name, and the Name of his son? Tell me if you know?"
The first time when all creation knew the Name of God.
Luke 1:31 When the angel Gabriel said to Mary, "You are to give him the name Jesus"
All creation rejoiced! The Name of God is finally known, 'Jesus', the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil. 2:10
The Father who is Spirit became flesh, or a man, has taken the name of a man or a son ' Jesus'.
The answer to the question of Agus, (above Prov.3o:4)is in John 17:11 Jesus said, "Holy Father, protect them by the power of your Name-the Name you gave me".
Jesus is the Name of God and His Son! (Not as in two persons, but as I have demonstrated in previous posts).
John 17:6 Jesus said, "I have revealed your Name to those whom you gave me out of the world".
John 5:43 Jesus said, "I have come in my Fathers Name, and you do not accept me".
Here we see, that Jesus came in the Fathers name (Jesus), and you do not believe that He is the Father!
In Isaiah 52:6 Jesus said; My people will know my Name, it is I who has foretold it!
Today, most Christian Churches do not know the Name of God, especially the Church leaders. That is because of that false teaching of the trinity doctrine, that God is three persons, which has polluted the knowledge of God's only Name.
Nearly all religions know the name of their god!
But alarmingly the Christians do not know the Name of their God, that is because Satan has deceived the nations, so as to make them believe that there is someone else other than Jesus who is also God. Rev. 20:7-8
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The Name of GodPosted by Paul G Sunday, October 28, 2007
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Uplifting Post Paul.
Jesus is all and in all it is by His Spirit that we are in Christ Jesus and know who He is. To everyone else the gospel is an intellectual discourse.
Church businesses today have distorted the gospel beyond recognition. They have Jesus so far in the background because it is themselves and their created business that they exalt.
Puritan Belief;
It is just as you have said!
It looks like a herd of oxen that go to the slaughter and no one holds them back.
I have asked many Christians, especially Pastors and leaders of Churches, whether they can tell me the name of God. Almost everyone says that God’s name is Jehovah, Yahweh, I Am and sometimes El Shaddai.
That is because they believe that God is three persons, and each person has a name. Because they do not know God, so they don’t know His name.
Many Christians told me, that Jesus is not God, only the Son of God.
By that they mean that the real God (whoever that might be) had a Son, just like you would have a Son, and He (God) sent that Son to do a job He could not do Himself.
They believe in the same god as the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Muslims and say, you can call him by whatever name you want to, it is all the same god.
Such men supposed to be the teachers of the blind! Perhaps it is just as Jesus said that the blind will lead the blind and both will fall into the pit. (Matt.15:14)
Apostasy or Apostates;
Are people and Churches who have fallen away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god like Jehovah, and have put Jesus on the backburner!
Even though they do not call themselves Jehovah Witnesses, they are witnessing direct or indirect for a false god Jehovah, and ignoring the commission, when Jesus said, “You will be MY witnesses to the ends of the earth”. Acts 1:8
That means;
To witness, testify, preach, teach and proclaim only Jesus Christ in all things, with no other person to share in deity with the Lord Jesus Christ.
If Jesus would be the Son of another person, then Jesus could NOT be the Alpha or the first. Rev. 22:13
Because a Father is always first, before the Son! But Jesus is the Father of all creation who became flesh and is called the Son of the most high. Luke 1:32
To those who think that I deny the Father;
I want you to know, that I testify to my Father who is in heaven that is because I am born of Him Jesus Christ the Father of all creation. John 1:1
All those who deny Jesus to be there heavenly Father, have disowned Jesus as there spiritual Father and claim someone else as there Father.
Paul G. said,
"Almost everyone says that God’s name is Jehovah, Yahweh, I Am..."
Maybe that's because that is what God said.
Ex. 3:15 ...The Lord...This is my name forever...
Paul G. said, "That is because they believe that God is three persons, and each person has a name. Because they do not know God, so they don’t know His name."
The three persons have one name,
Mat. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
The one name is "the Lord" Ex. 3:15.
Paul G. said, "Many Christians told me, that Jesus is not God, only the Son of God."
No true Christian says "Jesus is not God."
Paul G. said, "By that they mean that the real God (whoever that might be) had a Son, just like you would have a Son, and He (God) sent that Son to do a job He could not do Himself."
Why must you misdefine the doctrine you oppose? You have no credibility when you do this.
Paul G. said, "They believe in the same god as the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Muslims and say, you can call him by whatever name you want to, it is all the same god."
Who? Trinitarians? Are you out of your mind?
I would like to extend my congratulations for your discovery of an instance of the word "and" which you accept as inspired -- your previous post.
This new development is in sharp contrast to last year (October) when you were denying basic grammar (Sharpe's Rule), plain language, and simple cause-and-effect statements as irrelevant.
I can only hope this will lead to the acceptance of divine inspiration in all other uses of the word "and", particularily in the New Testament. Who knows, maybe words like "also" will find favour with you, too.
You have given a window into your worldview. Lets recap.
You claim that: Father is Jesus. Son is Jesus. Holy Spirit is Jesus.
You interchange these terms freely, each substuting (as in these last 2 posts) unabashedly in one another's place.
(I wonder, would you be so bold as to see this through to its logical (and heretical) end-point: Father crucified, or the Holy Spirit rising bodily from the dead?)
The question I really wished to ask you (these last were paranthetical) is this one.
Do you accept this series of statements:
Premise: God is not a man that He should lie.
Implication: God, as self-revealed in scripture, canot contradict Himself.
Application: If an apparent contradiction is found one must come to one of the following conclusions. (1) He has just dis-proved the divinity of the Christian God [We all reject this position] or (2) The apparent contradiction is the result of our operating under a wrong assumption.
[note: I do not anticipate any objections to the above statements.]
Follow-up Question:
If Jesus is Father is Son is Spirit...
How can you apply any of the following verses without a contradiction?
Luke 12:10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.
John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”
Implications:
Blaspheme Son = Forgiveness available. Blaspheme Spirit = NO forgiveness available. (In your economy, you can blapheme Jesus, and possibly find forgiveness, so long as you avoid blaspheming Jesus.)
Father does not Judge. Son Judges. (your model: Jesus does not judge, only Jesus judges)
Spirit of Truth does not speak on His own authority, but whatever he hears, he will speak. (Jesus does not speak on his own authority, but only says what he hears Jesus speak, on Jesus's authority.)
John 20:17 What can I say??? How can Jesus "go" to himself? Jesus ascending to Jesus??? To Jesus's God?
Takin;
The names ‘Jehovah and Yahweh’ have been rendered from YHWH as every Jehovah’s Witness will tell you.
Lord and I Am etc. as I have said, they are not names, they are descriptions and titles of the Holy One. Lord is the title and Jesus is His name.
Matt. 28:19 the baptism!
Because of their ignorance, Trinitarians baptize their converts into three titles and therefore are disobedient to the Lord Jesus. V. 19 into the name! (One name), the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is Jesus.
In the Bible the believers always baptized the converts into the name of Jesus Christ, Acts 8:16+ 10:48+19:5 etc.
If I give you a Bank cheque and sign it in the name of the Father and my Son and My Wife! How much do you think that cheque is worth? Answer; about the same as your baptism (worthless)!
Takin; I do not misdefine your trinity doctrine, rather I am working hard to expose this lie.
You should preach the truth and not just follow the crowd of deception, because most people say something, that does not necessarily make it true.
If you ask a person, what is the name of his god?
If he says Buda, then he is a Buddhist!
If Krishna, then a Hare Krishna!
If Allah, then a Muslim!
If Jehovah, then a Jehovah Witness!
If Jesus, then a Christian!
The problem is when the so called Christian says his god’s name is Jehovah like most people in your church would say.
You said, “No Christian says Jesus is not God,”
By that you mean, Jesus is God with someone else, (another person).
Theophilus;
It is good to use Scriptural terminologies, but it is better to understand them.
I also have a Bible and have been confronted with every passage and statement from Genesis to Revelation. Sometimes they just can’t be answered in one or two sentences.
If you would believe and understand the last few posts, then you would be able to explain all the verses you have asked me.
In due time I will come back to them.
First you have to deal with your many persons who are God.
To me it looks like that there are too many gods!
The one person who is fully God can do nothing on his own authority without the approval of another person who is fully God.
One of the persons of God has to ascend to another person in heaven to sit at the right hand of that person on the throne.
The person who is fully God has also a God.
One person of God does not judge, but the second person does, and perhaps the third person?
One person of God can only speak what he hears the other person say.
Blasphemy can be forgiven against one person of God, but not to the other person, or perhaps it can be forgiven against two persons of God and not the third person?
Theophilus; I am really amazed that you don’t know and understand this things, especially when you claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
How did you become born again?
I or we would really like to know! Please feel free to share your testimony.
You still are faced with the law of non-contradiction.
A statement cannot be true and false at the same time and in the same sense.
Even God operates within this principle... as evidenced by the fact that He cannot lie. This means there is factual distinction between truth and falsehood, even in His statements. (Despite your deconstructionist / Postmodernist tendancies.)
Your tendency to bend His language to suit your a priori beliefs does not change the text, or the meaning of them. Jesus, in scripture, uses terms such as I, He, You, We, when referencing Self, the Father, or the Holy Spirit. Your illustration of the cheque is spurious and irrelevant. Like most of your circular reasoning thus far.
Your willingness to blur distinctions He has made, only shows your willful blindness to the plain text of scripture, and your rebellion toward His Word. (His word, which He exalts ABOVE His name.)
Again: I will give two references for you to ignore and claim to address at some unnamed future date.
1) "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
(note: self cannot be greater than self, but self can be greater than other.)
2) The Father does not judge. The Son judges.
you have thus far pretended and 'claimed' to have addressed this. You have wrapped yourself in the mantle of 'spiritually superior', much like a condescending guru claiming special revelation, or unusual enlightenment. Empty words. Rather popish.
God's word makes distinctions. You deny them.
There exist only 2 possiblities: God misspoke, or you are heretical.
(God did not misspeak.)
Paul,
Re: Baptism
"...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..."
You are correct in saying that Name is singular. However, you conveniently ignore the very clauses that demanded answers: *AND OF* (the Son) *AND OF* (the Holy Spirit)
The name of the Father "and of" the Son "and of" the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ.
This was the brilliant revelation of every baptism after Jesus Death & Resurrection.
Is this your revelation?
Theophilus;
The Bible is full of seeming contradictions!
Why do you think that for centuries they argued about passages of Scriptures?
The Scripture is not straight forward, a man must be filled with the Holy Spirit to discern what it means.
Perhaps you quote the Scripture that God can do all things and nothing is impossible for Him.
And then you say, God can not lie, God can not sin, God can not deny Himself etc.
You say, God is love and can not hate, yet He said that He loved Jacob and hated Esau.
In John 12:47 He said, I did not come to judge the world.
In John 9:39 He said, for judgment I have come into this world.
And in your trinity doctrine, you say that they are all equal and then quote the verse, John 14:28 that the Father is greater than Jesus.
You said, “God did not misspeak.”
Theophilus; Which God are you talking about???
I have explained in all the posts that there is only one God, or one person who is God, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ!
Apart from Him there is no other person, or God, or essence who is also God.
When I say, ‘God’ I always mean the Lord Jesus.
When I say, ‘Holy Spirit’ I always mean the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.
When I say, ‘Father’ I always mean the Lord Jesus.
When Jesus says ‘Father’ He always refers to the Holy Spirit in Him.
Oh! Nearly forgot!
About the baptism; if you want to focus on words, then you should have highlighted (v.19)
INTO the NAME!
Not into titles, or into water.
Isn’t that which I have been doing all along!
I like you and all Trinitarians to be weaned off your many person gods and return to the only true God Jesus Christ, who has bought you with the price of His blood!
The thought that is incredible!
That in heaven is three persons who are God, having a dialogue between one and another.
Only the master of deception (Satan) could invent a doctrine like the trinity, to deceive even the elect if possible!
Paul G. said,
"The names ‘Jehovah and Yahweh’ have been rendered from YHWH as every Jehovah’s Witness will tell you. Lord and I Am etc. as I have said, they are not names, they are descriptions and titles of the Holy One. Lord is the title and Jesus is His name."
God said,
Ex. 3:15 "...The Lord...This is my name forever..."
Who do I believe: Paul G. or God?
Paul G. said,
"I do not misdefine your trinity doctrine, rather I am working hard to expose this lie."
Really? Then why did you say this?
"I have explained in all the posts that there is only one God, or one person who is God, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ! Apart from Him there is no other person, or God, or essence who is also God."
You imply that the Trinity has another "God, or essence who is also God."
That is a clear misdefinition of the Doctrine of the Trinity. There is not another God who is also God. There is not another essence who is also God. There is only one God who is truly God. There is only one being or essence who is God.
You equate the concept of person with the concept of essence. You can argue against your straw man built on the foundation of that false equation until you knock it down but you have done nothing in regards to the Doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity is one essence, one being, one God.
As I've said before, those who attack the Trinity do so on the basis of their misunderstanding (or their deliberate lying) about what the Doctrine actually teaches.
You accuse Trinitarians of either tritheism or Arianism. Trinitarians are neither tritheistic nor Arian.
Matthew 28:19 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The word "name" does not refer to a proper name at all (though the name "LORD" is appropriate for each: Father, Son, and Spirit). It means "authority." There is one authority.
Another thing that is important to see is the definite article associated with each Person. "name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" This clearly show distinction.
Paul G, why did you leave Oneness Pentecostalism? Or, if you were never with that movement, why have you bought into their heretical view of God?
T.
just a side note to theo,
you said:
Blaspheme Son = Forgiveness available. Blaspheme Spirit = NO forgiveness available. (In your economy, you can blapheme Jesus, and possibly find forgiveness, so long as you avoid blaspheming Jesus.)
you said in our economy ( i guess meaning our faith ) we believe the it is possible to blaspheme the holy spirit. We dont believe this, well i dont anyway... my faith says that i am covered for all eternity and that he forgives ALL my sins, every one! ( psalm 103)
Only those not covered by his blood can commit this sin.
Takin;
You said, “There is only one God who is truly God. There is only one being or essence who is God”.
Takin, that is correct!
Which one???
I have proclaimed Him, it is the Lord Jesus Christ and there is no other!
Hi Kellie!
I also believe that a child of God can not and would not blaspheme the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.
Mark 3:30 Jesus said this because they were saying; “He has an evil spirit”.
They blasphemed the Spirit of the Lord Jesus and not a separate person as the Trinitarians say.
By the way, how is Africa?
Paul g,
Your favorite responce when asked about a specific scripture appears to be "In due time I will come back to them."
To use a popular cliche, There is no time like the present... please address the many scriptures which have been brought up in conflict to your position which is very similar to the doctrine of Oneness Pentocostalism.
Even if you do not have the time to address them all (there have been many) can you select one and actually address the scripture in quiestion.
Luke 2:52
Luke 12:10
John 1:1-2
John 5:22-30
John 16:13-14
John 17
John 17:5
John 17:11
John 20:17
etc. etc. etc.
Thanks.
MDM
Modern day magi;
The questions you have asked me, even you could understand them, if you would believe my last few posts on God. But because you don’t believe that the Lord your God is ONE as the Scripture says, or as I have portrayed Him, that’s why you do not understand and join with the Trinitarians and their many persons gods and so to transgress the first commandment of the Lord.
Luke 2:52
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
It is marvelous to know that the only one God who is Spirit became flesh, or that the creator God who is Spirit made His home in a body which He has created for Himself even a baby or a child.
So the fullness of God bodily dwelled in that baby or child if you like and He became in every sense just like one of us, the first of a new creation.
As a child He had to be obedient, learn and grow in wisdom and stature like every child would do, and also in favor with the Holy Spirit who indwells the child and with man.
Who being in very form God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped Philippians 2:6
It is absurd to think like the Trinitarians or Catholics, that Jesus is fully God and that there is somebody else who is also fully God.
Paul g,
allow me to continue from the passage you mentioned Philippians 2:9-11
"Therefore God exalted him (Jesus) to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,in heaven and on earth and under the earth,and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father."
Again can you explain why this passage of Divinely Inspired Scripture (that is the very Word of God) would use in the one sentence different tenses when referring to Jesus. How could "God exalt him" when if your claim is correct, the scripture should have said "God exalted himself"? Also how could "every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father." when If you are correct the scripture should say "every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of Jesus."
The scripture of Luke is perfect and is correct. It says "And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." NOT "And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with himself and man."
paul g, IF you are correct then there should not be so many scriptures which contradict your position. You should be able to show from scripture your position adequately.
Grammar and context and tense and phrasing and all the subtleties of language exist for the sole purpose of communicating effectively. You cannot simply ignore a phrase, or bend it out of shape to fit a doctrine. What must happen in interpreting the Word of God is that when you find a contradiction to your belief, then your belief must change. Your making the scripture fit your ideas about your oneness concepts of the Lord are very disturbingly similar to how many who are deceived try to fit evolution into genesis. They ignore and bend scripture out of shape to make that concept fit too.
MDM
Modern day magi;
The Scripture is written so that to them whom it has not been given to understand, they will not understand.
They will keep on reading and not understand.
Remember! Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “I praise thee O Father that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and gave it to babes”.
Perhaps you could try to ask the Lord Jesus!
Because I had a big plank in my eyes, I could not see clearly, so I asked the Lord Jesus to remove it, so that I might see clearly.
Jesus also said, “Anything you ask in my Name, I will do for you”! (Depending on your motive)?
Modern day magi;
A question to you!
Isaiah 63:16
You O Lord are our Father and Redeemer.
Who is that? Tell me His name?
Kellie,
Thank you for your question. I will try to frame it more clearly.
Paul the apostle persecuted the church. He blasphemed Jesus, and tried to get others to do so. (Acts 26:11)
At the same time, we know that Paul was saved by grace through faith in the Son of God. Jesus himself taught that nobody who blasphemes the Holy Spirit can be forgiven. (refer to Mark 3:28,29)
There is therefore a distinction. Paul could not have committed a sin for which he would be eternally damned, because he is redeemed.
He could not have blasphemed the Holy Spirit (if he had, he could not be redeemed). But we also know that he opposed Jesus Christ, and blasphemed Jesus. (1 Tim 1:13)
Here's the rub: Paul G insists that the Spirit and the Son are references to body and spirit in a body-soul-spirit sense. This model does not allow for a destinction between blaspheming the Spirit and the Son, even though Jesus specifically placed each in separate categories.
Jesus placed a blasphemy against the person of Jesus in line with one consequence (possibility of forgiveness) and placed the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in a seperate category with a different consequence. (no forgiveness of sin.)
Paul, (re: Nov 2 comment)
You make several straw arguments about seeming contradictions. Each of these, I expect, you know the resolution to. IF you REALLY see them as difficult to reconcile, I will, in good faith, show how they are not.
The point you overlook (whether intentionally or not, I do not know) is this:
When Jesus said that the Father Judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son, he says two things:
1) the person he means when he says "the Father" is emphatically NOT the person who will do the judging.
2) the person he means when he says "the Son" emphatically is the one responsible for judging.
This is not just another of your "seeming contradictions". If Father=Son, Jesus has lied in this sentance. If Jesus has not lied (of course he has not), then your Father=Son=Jesus model is not what Jesus had in mind when he was explaining these things to us.
Theophilus;
Too many people!
Too many gods!
Wrong understanding!
Please read again the doctrine of God, ‘Father’ ‘Son’ ‘Holy Spirit’.
The Lord your God is ONE person and not two or three, just as I have explained, Jesus Christ and there is no one else.
Error discovered in Paul's claims:
Paul stated that JOHN 17:11 says, and I quote:
"Holy Father, protect them by the power of your Name - the Name you gave Me."
Scripture actually says:
"Holy Father, keep through Your name those You have given Me, that they may be one as we are one."
Is Paul re-writing The Bible, or does he use a Bible that someone else has re-written.
This will annoy you Paul:
"The Lord said to My Lord, 'sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.'" Psalm 110.
Who was saying what to who Paul?
Paul.
To come in My Father's Name, means to come, representing My Father.
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