All Who Dwell On The Earth Will WORSHIP The Devil !
Revelation 13:8 “All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him (the devil), everyone whose name has NOT been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.”
(Rev.13:4) “they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast,”
And ALL who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him who is the serpent (Genesis 3:1), the beast, the dragon, the devil or Satan, for he has many names under the title, the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4).
But the only true God whose Name is JESUS Christ (1 John 5:20) and there is NO OTHER NAME given in heaven and on earth whereby you must be saved (Acts 4:12). And JESUS is the Name which is above ALL OTHER NAMES so that, at the NAME of JESUS every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:9).
Beware of the dogs, beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who WORSHIP in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh (Philippians 3:2-3).
“And they came up and took hold of His feet and WORSHIPED Him” Matthew 28:9.
“And he said, ‘LORD, I believe.’ And he WORSHIPED Him” (John 9:38).
And also, the Apostles WORSHIPED the Lord Jesus Christ Matthew 14:33.
Revelation 14:7 WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth.
And then Matthew 4:10 Jesus said, “Go SATAN ! For it is written, You shall WORSHIP the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”
Matthew 15:9 ‘In vain they WORSHIP Me, teaching the doctrines of men.’
So here we can see that the whole world at the present time is worshiping the beast, and everyone who is worshiping the trinity and a god called Jehovah and Yahweh. Starting first from the Christian churches and after to all other churches.
Revelation 20:4 But there are those who do NOT worship the beast and his image, they are worshiping ONLY the Lord their God Jesus Christ and serve Him ONLY.
They are the ones who are rejecting every other name, other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 89:16 They will rejoice in Your Name all day long. And Revelation 22:4 His NAME shall be on their forehead.
Or perhaps, Revelation 14:1 Having His NAME and the Name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Please let me hear your thoughts, and who do you worship ?
And which name has been written on your forehead ?
(Rev.13:4) “they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast,”
And ALL who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him who is the serpent (Genesis 3:1), the beast, the dragon, the devil or Satan, for he has many names under the title, the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4).
But the only true God whose Name is JESUS Christ (1 John 5:20) and there is NO OTHER NAME given in heaven and on earth whereby you must be saved (Acts 4:12). And JESUS is the Name which is above ALL OTHER NAMES so that, at the NAME of JESUS every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:9).
Beware of the dogs, beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who WORSHIP in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh (Philippians 3:2-3).
“And they came up and took hold of His feet and WORSHIPED Him” Matthew 28:9.
“And he said, ‘LORD, I believe.’ And he WORSHIPED Him” (John 9:38).
And also, the Apostles WORSHIPED the Lord Jesus Christ Matthew 14:33.
Revelation 14:7 WORSHIP Him that made the heavens and the earth.
And then Matthew 4:10 Jesus said, “Go SATAN ! For it is written, You shall WORSHIP the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”
Matthew 15:9 ‘In vain they WORSHIP Me, teaching the doctrines of men.’
So here we can see that the whole world at the present time is worshiping the beast, and everyone who is worshiping the trinity and a god called Jehovah and Yahweh. Starting first from the Christian churches and after to all other churches.
Revelation 20:4 But there are those who do NOT worship the beast and his image, they are worshiping ONLY the Lord their God Jesus Christ and serve Him ONLY.
They are the ones who are rejecting every other name, other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 89:16 They will rejoice in Your Name all day long. And Revelation 22:4 His NAME shall be on their forehead.
Or perhaps, Revelation 14:1 Having His NAME and the Name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Please let me hear your thoughts, and who do you worship ?
And which name has been written on your forehead ?
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All Who Dwell On The Earth Will WORSHIP The Devil !Posted by Paul G Tuesday, January 30, 2018
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
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No Doubt said...
What kind of nonsense is that ?
Where in the Bible does it say that ?
Every time you open your mouth, it proves your lack of Biblical knowledge. When are you going to turn to the Lord?
"The Father, who is God and God alone"
"I am YAHWEH—there is no other. Besides Me there is no God.
I will strengthen you, though you have not known Me,
so they may know, from the rising to the setting of the sun,
that there is no one besides Me. I am YAHWEH—there is no other."
Isaiah 45:5-6
...dwells within Y'shua/Jesus, by way of his Spirit, an interdimensional, non-physical tether, if I may put it that way. It's a way that Yah, HaYah, God, The I AM, can reach into our limited dimensionality.
"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners..." Isaiah 61:1 and Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of the YAHWEH will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the YAHWEH."
Isaiah 11:2
"You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how YAHWEH anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him."
Acts 10:38
The Spirit is God's way of being able to dwell with his creation, without being in the presence of physical sinful creatures.
"However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of YAHWEH dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."
Romans 8:9
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Luke 11:3
As for knowing Y'shua/Jesus, knowing of him is a lot different than knowing him. You can say you know him, but true relationship comes from trusting in him, which encompasses everything.
"Trust in YAHWEH with all your heart, and don't lean on your own understanding."
Proverbs 3:5
...and that's what you'll find, When You Search For The Truth.
January 30, 2018 9:44 PM
Keith, in Isaiah 45:5-6 “I am the LORD, and there is no other; Beside Me there is no God I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one beside Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other,”
OK, it says “I am the LORD”, it does NOT say, I am YAHWEH.
You are perverting the Scriptures, it does not say that in any Bible and neither can it say that.
It does NOT say ‘YAHWEH’ ONCE in the entire Bible, NO not even ONCE !
You must have written your own translation in order to put in there the name of your god, the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4).
You said, "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Luke 11:3
Hmmm, tell me my friend, how many gods are in that passage ?
Jesus is speaking and He said that the Father will give you the Holy Spirit.
Is that Jesus saying to Yahweh that he will give you the Holy Spirit if you happen to ask Yahweh for the Holy Spirit ?
Well that sounds like a happy little family of gods :-)
Hi Paul, Haven’t you ever noticed that, in your Bible, it says LORD, compared to lord. It appears 6807 times in your bible. Why do you think they did that?
As for your post, it is mostly Biblical. I do agree that all will bow and proclaim Jesus as their Savior and Lord. I just don’t understand why you refuse to admit that The name of Y’shua/Jesus means Yahweh is our Salvation or Yahweh Saves. You see, the name of Y’shua/Jesus fulfills Revelation 14:1, giving honor to both Y’shua Jesus and his father, Yahweh.
Yes of course, that is because the big ‘L’ ‘Lord’ refers to the Lord God the Almighty, and the little ‘l’ lord refers to an ordinary man.
But the Lord Jesus Christ is always called Lord with the big ‘L’ right through the entire Bible.
Concerning my post.
No Keith, it has absolutely nothing to do with people proclaiming Jesus as their saviour and Lord.
You said, “ I just don’t understand why you refuse to admit that The name of Y’shua/Jesus means Yahweh is our Salvation or Yahweh Saves.”
Well, it just doesn’t say that in the Bible. Those are wild assumptions and are not true.
You said, “You see, the name of Y’shua/Jesus fulfills Revelation 14:1, giving honor to both Y’shua Jesus and his father, Yahweh.”
I’m glad that you pointed that out, and for that reason I have put that there.
So then, does that mean that you would have TWO names written on your forehead ?
TWO gods which you will worship ?
Jesus AND Yahweh ?
Yah = Yahweh
Shua = Salvation or Saves
YahShua = Y’shua = Jesus
One name giving honor and glory to “Jesus and Yahweh, his father.
No my friend, ‘Ya’ does NOT equal Yahweh.
The Bible doesn’t say that.
“One name giving honor and glory to “Jesus and Yahweh, his father.”
And those are TWO names which are written on your forehead. But you supposed to have ONE name written on your forehead and that is Jesus.
Revelation 22:4 His NAME shall be on their forehead.
That means only one Name JESUS who is on their forehead, and they worship Him alone.
Amazing, you just don't get it...or you refuse to.
Well my friend, it does not amaze me, since the Lord Jesus made it clear that only those whose name have been written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world will worship the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
And ALL others will continually worship their false gods (Revelation 13:8).
"Well my friend, it does not amaze me, since the Lord Jesus made it clear that only those whose name have been written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world will worship the Lord Jesus Christ alone."
No, Paul. You made that up. That is not in the Bible.
Even Y'shua, Jesus, said, to Satan. "It is written. You shall worship Yahweh, your God, and serve him alone"
God told Moshe, Moses, "Hayah Yahweh Adonai" "I AM Yahweh, your God." "You will not have no other god before me."
No Keith, I did not made that up.
(Revelation 13:8) the Lord said, that ALL will worship the beast, but NOT the Apostles, they worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Mat. 14:33).
And NO, Jesus did NOT say that ‘You shall worship Yahweh, your God,’.
Jesus said that “You shall worship the LORD your God, and serve Him only.” (Mat.4:10)
And the Lord Jesus said to Moses, “I am the LORD your God, you shall have NO other gods before me”.
And the Lord Jesus said, “Moses wrote about Me.” (John 5:46)
Again, the scripture you quote does not say that. Again, you made it up.
And the Lord Jesus said to Moses, “I am the YAHWEH your God, you shall have NO other gods before me”. You can change the Word of God all you want, but you can't change what it really says.
And the Lord Jesus said, “Moses wrote about Me.” (John 5:46) He was referring to the prophet being raised up in his image. "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen. Deut 18:15
Read the whole Bible, in context. Quit picking and choosing ones and gluing them together together in a way that support your beliefs.
Otherwise, quit making it up.
Keith, we believe the BIBLE to be the Word of God and it says,
(Exodus 20:2-3) “I am the LORD your GOD, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. (v. 3) You shall have no other gods before Me.”
Well, just read it and believe it.
It doesn’t say, ‘I am Yahweh your God’ you are making that up.
It says, “I am the LORD your GOD”.
And that’s what it really says !
And the Lord your God is the Lord Jesus, just as it says in (Isa. 45:22) Look at ME and be saved, for I am GOD, and there is NO other.
Well, if there is no other than the saviour who claims to be GOD, then obviously it is Jesus, because there is no other Name given under heaven whereby you must be saved (Acts 4:12).
Once again, Y’shua, not Jesus, never claimed to be God. He said was one WITH the Father, not one in the same. You are making things up. Let’s try and stick with what is actually in the Bible, not what you want to be there.
You removed the name of Yahweh and supplanted him with his Son. Your name should be Jacob.
No Keith, I did NOT remove any name called ‘Yahweh’, because there is NO name called Yahweh in the Bible.
I can’t remove a name which is NOT there.
Read the Bible my friend, the name Yahweh is just NOT there.
And there is NO ONE called Y’shua in the Bible.
Why don’t you read your Bible Keith.
Yes, the Name JESUS is there, and why don’t you believe in Him ?
After all it is Jesus who claims to be God, but you are just like those who have said, “You, being a man claiming to be God” (John 10:33), and then try to stone Him.
He never said he was God. He never responded to such accusations. They called him many things such as a blasphemer he never responded to that either. Does that make him a blasphemer? Absolutely not!!!! Quit making things up. You know very well that you removed Yahweh from your Bible. Quit changing the Word of God and making things up. Jesus isn’t there. Read the Bible. It’s Y’shua, not a made up name like Jesus.
They said to the Lord Jesus, “You, being a man claiming to be God” (John 10:33), and then try to stone Him.
And the Lord Jesus did NOT deny that, because He is the Lord God the Almighty.
And yes, the Lord Jesus said that He IS God.
He said, I and the Father are ONE, he who has seen Me has seen the Father, and obviously when they worshiped Him, He did not refused the worship.
Paul, I keep telling you this over and over because I do not want you to be rooted up.
Y’shua said, “Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.”
You will be rooted up and cast into the fire because you hate God.
Yahweh said, “Hayah YHWH Kanah El” UAM Yahweh a jealous God.” He is jealousy even of his name. That is why he called his son, who he raised to be equal with him in glory, Y’shua which means Yahweh is my salvation.
Why do you hate me, Paul? says Yahweh
Yahweh also said, “I AM Yahweh thy God a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”
Why are you cursing your children, your descendants, because of your hare for the father of Y’shua?
You have deliberately casted out my name for another, who I provided for your salvation. I am your provider I am your salvation I am your God.
Why have you changed my sons name to complete your hatred against me? You have desecrated my sons name, Y’Shua, with the name Jesus, which should have reminded you of me every time it left your lips.
Again Paul, why do you hate me?
Once again, you are making a supposition that’s not supported anywhere else in the Bible. Y’shua said that he and his father are Echad, which means many tied into one, like a multi strand rope. Quit making things up that are not in the Bible.
By the way, read John 10:33 InContext. Read John 10:33-36. Y’shua responded that they were misunderstanding him and that he was the son of God. Quit making things up and get your facts straight.
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Tim was so right. You make it easy to counter your false doctrine, especially when you don't read your Bible in it's entirety. Again, quit making things up. Quit making suppositions that are not supported in the Bible. It's almost like you ask yourself, let me see, which Bible verse can I take out of context today? Two words I would like you to keep telling yourself.
BIG PICTURE
BIG PICTURE
Ask yourself, what is the Big Picture????? Not what I want the Bible to say. What does the Bible actually say, when you step back and take a look at the Big Picture?
Well, nice try, I have been writing from the Bible word for word and then you are saying, “ No, Paul. You made that up. That is not in the Bible.”
How weird is that.
Tell me, where is that written in the Bible.
“Even Y'shua, Jesus, said, to Satan. "It is written. You shall worship Yahweh, your God, and serve him alone"
God told Moshe, Moses, "Hayah Yahweh Adonai" "I AM Yahweh, your God." "You will not have no other god before me."
“You know very well that you removed Yahweh from your Bible. Quit changing the Word of God and making things up. Jesus isn’t there. Read the Bible. It’s Y’shua, not a made up name like Jesus.”
That is NOT in the Bible.
Just SHOW that to me in the Bible ! Quoting that word for word. Go on and don’t change a word.
Also, you said, “Yahweh said, “Hayah YHWH Kanah El” UAM Yahweh a jealous God.” He is jealousy even of his name. That is why he called his son, who he raised to be equal with him in glory, Y’shua which means Yahweh is my salvation.”
Where is that written, word for word ? Well I don’t think it is in the Bible, you are cooking that up to promote your false god called Yahweh.
Quit making things up that are not in the Bible.
And “John 10:33-36. Y’shua responded that they were misunderstanding him and that he was the son of God.”
NO, Jesus was NOT saying that they were misunderstanding Him. You know, I can read the Bible as well and that is in context.
Your BIG PICTURE is that you preaching another god, another Jesus which we have NOT preached (2 Cor. 11:3-4). Your Jesus is NOT God at all, and therefore the name on your forehead is NOT Jesus who is the Christ.
You can reword everything, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is you are the one changing the Word of God.
Keith, you said, “Read the Bible. It’s Y’shua, not a made up name like Jesus.”
Wow, does it say that in the Bible ?
You gotta be kidding ?
Look my friend, I really don’t want you to hear the words of the Lord Jesus Christ on that day saying, “depart from Me I never knew you”.
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I’m glad that you don’t want to hear those words. Then start listening to the Lord and read his Word correctly and you won’t hear the words, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
For your reading pleasure,
I wait for Y'shua, Adonai
Genesis 49:18
Then my soul will rejoice in Adonai
and delight in Y'shua.
Psalm 35:9
When Adonai heard, He was angry.
A fire was kindled against Jacob,
and fury also rose against Israel.
For they did not believe in God
or trust in Y'shua.
Psalm 78:21-22
Forefathers of Y'shua the Messiah
The book of the genealogyof Yeshua ha-Mashiach, Ben-David, Ben-Avraham:
Matthew 1:1
The next day, John sees Y'shua coming to him and says, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:29
She will give birth to a son; and you shall call His name Yeshua, for He will save His people from their sins.”
Matthew 1:21
Old Testament and New.
I can go on and on.
Open Paul's eyes, so he may behold wonders from Your Torah.
Psalm 119:18 (Paraphrased)
It gets tiring to watch you two say the same thing. You are both saying the same words. Jesus is Yeshua. Adonai is LORD. Two separate languages. Two different translations. Same word of God. I wish you both would get over it. One doesn't know he believes in a Trinity and the other doesn't know he believes in the Trinity.
One thinks English is the only language and the other thinks English is not good enough. Geesh.
LOL it’s fun too!
Keith, you said, “Then start listening to the Lord and read his Word correctly”.
OK then, “It’s Y’shua, not a made up name like Jesus.”
So, you are saying that the Name of Jesus is a made up name and it is not in the Bible, but the name of Y’shua is in the Bible ?
Where ?
My Bible said that there is NO OTHER Name given, apart from JESUS, whereby you must be saved. And that you need to bow your knees to JESUS and confess that JESUS Christ is Lord.
It doesn’t say Y’shua, just read the Bible.
Well Anon. Obviously you haven’t read any of my comments nor any of my posts, otherwise you would know that I am NOT a trinitarian.
I preach the Lord Jesus Christ alone to be the Lord God the Almighty and I condemn any other name and entity as being God.
"So, you are saying that the Name of Jesus is a made up name and it is not in the Bible, but the name of Y’shua is in the Bible ?
Where ? "
I just gave you six examples. Did you not read them?
BY no other name through which we are saved. Read it correctly.
"It is BY the name of Y'shua Ha Mashiach of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
By Y'shua and there is no name UNDER heaven. You need to look at what the verse actually says.
What does Y'shua mean???? Yahweh is Salvation!!!
Under heaven, there is no name other than Y'shua, but in Heaven, his Father reigns supreme as the one and only God.
I do agree with you, Paul. You need to read the Bible for what it says, not what you want it to say.
You said, “I wait for Y'shua, Adonai" Genesis 49:18
The Bible said, “For Your salvation I wait, O Lord," That is what the Bible said !
You said, “Then my soul will rejoice in Adonai and delight in Y'shua." Psalm 35:9
The Bible said, “And my soul shall rejoice in the Lord; it shall exult in His salvation.”
That’s what the Bible said ! just read it.
You said, “Forefathers of Y'shua the Messiah The book of the genealogy of Yeshua ha-Mashiach, Ben-David, Ben-Avraham:" Matthew 1:1
The Bible said, “The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:”
You said, “She will give birth to a son; and you shall call His name Yeshua, for He will save His people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21
Well, I will not put up with that nonsense anymore, either you will call the Lord ‘JESUS’ as the rest of us, or you will pervert His one and only Name JESUS who is the Christ.
No Paul you worship a trinity, you just don't know it. You Jesus is the father, that's one. You say he is the son, that's two. And you say he is the spirit, that's three. You just don't admit it. I have seen what you have written on many of your posts. It all goes back to semantics. If jesus is three things then you do worship a trinity.
apparently you also don't understand that languages have different words that mean the same thing. If you called someone in Mexico and they answered the telephone "Hola", you would be the type of person that would respond "NO, IT'S HELLO". It is obvious that when Keith said Adonai it's just a translation of LORD. It is obvious Jesus did not speak English, I don't get why you think that. One major example is when Jesus in Mark cries out, "ABBA, father". ABBA is not an english word. ABBA is a word that has no translation, that is why all the English versions cannot change it. How do you explain that word if the Bible was written in English? If it was in English there would be a word in ALL the english versions that we could understand.
All Keith is doing is saying the same meaning but different language. Why can't you see that?
Good Morning, Sunshine!!! Well, I will not put up with that nonsense anymore, either you will call the Lord ‘Y'shua’ as the rest of the Remnant, or you will pervert His one and only Name Y'shua who is the Messiah.
I see you ignored the rest of the comment.
I like what anonymous says. It makes sense. Someone can't see the nose, in spite of his face.
No Anon. I’m not that stupid to call the Father ONE person and the Son ANOTHER person and the Holy Spirit the THIRD person.
When you read my comment, you need to think what I have been saying not just assume.
Only trinitarians say such nonsense, that is because they think that the Father is ANOTHER person from the Lord Jesus Christ, they don’t know that ‘FATHER’ is the title of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Or don’t you know that, when the Father would be another person, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, then there would be TWO gods ?
John 10:30 Jesus said, ‘I and the Father are ONE’, Jesus did NOT say, I and the Father are TWO !
If the Father is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, then Jesus would NOT be the Lord God the Almighty the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last the beginning and the end, but he would be an impostor.
But for us is but ONE God the Father 1 Cor. 8:6.
You said, “If jesus is three things then you do worship a trinity.”
What’s that supposed to mean ?
“THREE THINGS”
When you state something, then you need to be clear what you are talking about.
“apparently you also don't understand that languages have different words that mean the same thing.”
Anon, I am never talking about other languages, I am talking in English, since the Bible is written in English, and there is no need to introduce other languages, especially languages you cannot speak yourself.
When you say Jesus is three different names, titles, or whatever you are trying to say you are believing in a Trinity. You just don't call it that. It doesn't matter what you try masquerading it as. If you say Jesus is a father and a son and a spirit then you are in essence worshipping a Trinity. They may not be a different God but still a Trinity in concept.
How come you didn't talk about ABBA? That word is not English. How do you compensate for that?
Did you learn English to be saved? That's what it sounds like you said. Since the Bible was written in English then you speak it?
How do you explain the 100 different English translations? Which one is right?
No I never said, ‘Jesus is three different names, titles, or whatever you are trying to say you are believing in a Trinity. You just don't call it that.’
I am NOT TRYING to say things as you are doing.
I am SAYING things, I do NOT try to say things, that’s a lot different.
And you said, “Jesus in Mark cries out, "ABBA, father". ABBA is not an english word. ABBA is a word that has no translation, that is why all the English versions cannot change it.”
Abba is a word that has no translation, then tell me WHY is it there ?
Why did they translate it to Father ?
And does that make all the English versions wrong ?
Well, I don’t think so.
The Bible is written in English, then DON’T introduce words of another language to confuse the plain meaning of the English words. Especially if you can’t speak that language.
OK, I have said in my previous comment.
Or don’t you know that, when the Father would be another person, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, then there would be TWO gods ?
John 10:30 Jesus said, ‘I and the Father are ONE’, He did NOT say I and the Father are TWO !
If the Father is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, then Jesus would NOT be the Lord God the Almighty the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last the beginning and the end, but he would be an impostor.
But for us is but ONE God the Father 1 Cor. 8:6.
So then, are you saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the Father ?
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Paul, I get really tired of correcting your miss quoting of Scripture. First Corinthians 8:6 says: (Please pay attention to the bold words. They are quite clear, even in English)
“...yet for us there is one God, the Father.
All things are from Him,
and we exist for Him.
AND there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.
All things are through Him,
and we exist through Him.”
There is one God and there is one Lord.
You said, “Why did they translate it to Father ? ”
So, you do admit that there was a previous language that your English Bible was translated from. You were so hypocritical.
Ok, so you are not trying to say there is a trinity, you are saying there is a trinity. That is what you just said.
You said Jesus is the father. You said Jesus is the son. You said Jesus is the Holy Spirit. That is three, isn't it?
And I guess No Doubt beat me to the next point. You just said ABBA is translated into father, which it really isn't but still you just said it.
ABBA can only be translated by the Spirit. It is a special name for God. Notice, the letters AB, alpha beta in Greek, alef bet in Hebrew. Forwards and backwards. There is nothing before him no matter which way you look at it. ABBA. Father is the closest we have in translation which you just admitted to saying.
And if two english versions differ then which one do you believe?
I am not claiming anything. This is your blog, you made the claims, you have to defend what you said. And right now you are inconsistent.
Keith, I did NOT misquoted the Scripture, I quoted 1 Cor. 8:6 ‘yet for us there is but one God , the Father,’
Tell me, did I misquoted the Scriptures ?
Misquoting is when you are saying something which the Bible doesn’t say.
Misquoting is when you are changing the Names and its meaning of the Scriptures as you are always doing.
So then, is there ONE God who is called the Father ? the answer is YES ! there is only one God and no other ONE, from whom are all things and we exist for Him;
Now, if I continually quote further, ‘and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.’
It says that there is ONE God the Father, and ONE Lord, it doesn’t say that they are TWO persons. It means that there is ONE title called Father and another title called Lord, speaking of the same person who is the Lord Jesus Christ. Saying, ‘from whom are all things and we exist for Him.’
Well, just read that passage and think about what it says, it is talking about “Him” and NOT about THEM (two persons).
Leaving things out is also misquoting and yes it’s clearly two individuals. You can’t read it any other way.
Anon, that is NOT what I have said, that is what you have said. Because you want a trinity to be in there.
You said, “You said Jesus is the father. You said Jesus is the son. You said Jesus is the Holy Spirit. That is three, isn't it?”
THREE WHAT ? three potatoes ?
Oh yes, you are trying to say, THREE PERSONS don’t you ? Why then not just say it ?
But that is NOT what I have said. Read it again.
As to ABBA, Father; look Anon. don’t read stuff into that which is NOT there.
Open you Bible Mark 14:36 ‘Jesus was saying, Abba ! Father ! ……'. That means exactly as it said, it means Father.
You said, “ABBA can only be translated by the Spirit. It is a special name for God.”
NO it’s NOT ! you are perverting the Scriptures.
It mean ‘Father’ and anything else are lies and man made doctrines.
Those who translated the Scripture they knew it a lot better than you.
You said, “And if two english versions differ then which one do you believe?”
Which versions differ ?
The Bible is the infallible WORD of God and does NOT differ.
Paul, you said, “Those who translated the Scripture they knew it a lot better than you.”
How do you know that? You are putting a lot of faith in man rather than God.
Keith, quoting only certain section is NOT misquoting, but changing names and passages is misquoting, just as you are doing.
And there are NOT TWO individuals, just read it and think about it.
They were inspired by the Spirit of God.
All Scriptures are spiritually appraised.
It is when the part you leave out invalidates your point.
That’s good advise, Paul!!! You should read it in context with the rest of the Bible. However, you won’t do that because it reveals the fallacy of your doctrine.
Just when I feel you can’t amaze anymore, you reveal that you are willing to ignore the simple meaning of the word ‘and’. The word ‘and, in the English language, requires the dropping of a pronoun or definite article such as ‘the’ to imply both are inclusive. Otherwise, it means to imply addition. If you are going to use only the English Bible, you need to learn the nuances of the English language.
I thought you were a believer that the Bible was written in english. So then why would it be translated in english which you just said it did? You just said the translators know more than I do. So if they translated it then from language did they translate it from? And how do you know they knew more than I do? How do you know my schooling? I may have been visited by Jesus Himself. How do you know? I have never told you anything. Those who translated probably did know more Hebrew than I do though.
If ABBA means exactly "Father", then why didn't the translators just say Father, Father? Your thinking skills leave a little to the imagination.
Which versions differ? If you go to Biblehub.com and type in a passage you can see many differences. Even though the message is not changed the words are. But some of the inflections and nuances of words do change the feelings. The infallibility is the message and truth. Words can ALWAYS change due to times, such as Shakespeare said "Wherefore art thou", which many people misinterpret as "Where are you", but it means, "Why you".
The "three" I am talking about is three beings that apparently you don't know you worship. You have said Jesus is the Father. You have said Jesus is a Son. And you have said Jesus is the SPirit. It seems as though you are saying the same thing the others are but you can't see that. Plus, I never said I believe in a Trinity or not. It seems like you like to shift attention from your flaws, errors, and omissions to other people's words that you think is wrong. Find the plank before you find the splinter.
Anon,
You said, “If ABBA means exactly "Father", then why didn't the translators just say Father, Father? Your thinking skills leave a little to the imagination.”
Yes that’s what they did, "abba" which they translate Father, it’s not that complicated.
You said, “Those who translated probably did know more Hebrew than I do though.”
Then why do you tray to correct those who new more Hebrew than you do ?
You know, “It is WRITTEN” !
You said, “Even though the message is not changed the words are.”
Well if the message is not changed, then what is your problem ?
As long as the message of truth has not been tampered with by your own words that are NOT written in the Bible, for the Bible is the Word of God for authority.
You said, “The "three" I am talking about is three beings that apparently you don't know you worship”
Look Anon. I really don’t like when I have been posting for over ten years AGAINST the trinity and then you are accusing me for worshiping three beings.
Because you can’t understand that the Father is the Lord Jesus Christ, it is His title, but you always think that the Father is a separate person, different from the Lord Jesus Christ.
That is what makes you a trinitarian. A trinitarian is a person who does not believe in the Lord Jesus alone, he/she believes that the Father is a separate person.
And for this reason you pray to the Father and then at the end of your prayer, you are saying, ‘in Jesus name’ as a cliche. The difference is, that you are worship TWO gods, not to mention you third god.
Well Keith, your perverted doctrine is, that an unknowable god called Yahweh which is NOT mentioned in the Bible, and sometimes you call him Ehye Asher Ehye and other unbiblical names, which is just weird.
And then you are saying that this god had a son by the name of Y'shua, and he sent him into this world to do all the saving etc.
Can’t you see, you are NOT believing in the Lord Jesus Christ who said, that you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).
Look my friend, you need to REPENT and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved.
And believe NOT and you shall be damned.
Once again, you’re proven wrong and tuck tail and hide in your mantra. See you next time.
So you do believe the Bible is translated into English?
But why the redundant statement? Abba, father?
And if Abba is Hebrew then a Jewish person would know about the word. And that is why I asked about the word. And if the word is Jewish then they would know more than you about the word.
What you probably don't like is that you can't really justify your beliefs. Why would Jesus have three titles? You were playing a game of semantics but you can't see it.
And why call me a trinitarian when I haven't said what I believe.
You are not playing with a full deck are you?
Of course the Bible is translated into English. Haven’t you noticed that, from which Bible do I quote ?
And NO ! a jewish person doesn’t know more than what the Bible says. His language doesn’t benefit him at all.
You said, “What you probably don't like is that you can't really justify your beliefs. Why would Jesus have three titles? You were playing a game of semantics but you can't see it.”
I do NOT playing games.
Those things are serious, they are a question between life and death, and you should KNOW the truth, or else you will perish with your false gods.
Jesus Christ is the Lord God and nobody else.
OK, I have said in one of my previous comment.
Or don’t you know that, when the Father would be another person, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, then there would be TWO gods ?
John 10:30 Jesus said, ‘I and the Father are ONE’, He did NOT say I and the Father are TWO !
If the Father is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, then Jesus would NOT be the Lord God the Almighty the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last the beginning and the end, but he would be an impostor.
But for us is but ONE God the Father 1 Cor. 8:6.
So then, are you saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the Father ?
Just tell me, is the Lord Jesus Christ the Father ?
So from what language was it translated? Didn't you say in one of your posts that it was written in English and nothing else?
What language is ABBA?
Why would Jesus have to be a father, son, and spirit? Why couldn't he just be Jesus from the beginning and tell people his name? What is God's rationale behind that? You're claiming a concealed Trinity. You just don't know what Trinity really means.
Anon.
OK, I have said in a few of my previous comment.
Or don’t you know that, when the Father would be another person, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, then there would be TWO gods ?
John 10:30 Jesus said, ‘I and the Father are ONE’, He did NOT say I and the Father are TWO !
If the Father is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, then Jesus would NOT be the Lord God the Almighty the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last the beginning and the end, but he would be an impostor.
But for us is but ONE God the Father 1 Cor. 8:6.
So then, are you saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the Father ?
Just tell me, is the Lord Jesus Christ the Father ?
Ok, I have said from my previous comment:
So from what language was it translated? Didn't you say in one of your posts that it was written in English and nothing else?
What language is ABBA?
Why would Jesus have to be a father, son, and spirit? Why couldn't he just be Jesus from the beginning and tell people his name? What is God's rationale behind that? You're claiming a concealed Trinity. You just don't know what Trinity really means.
See, I can play your game too.
Do I need to ask these again? Did you leave? Are you not listening?
Wow. You really do run.
Just checking to see if you’re alright.
Of course my friend, if you would walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and not with a false god called Yahweh, then you would also be alright. Actually, you would be better than alright, you would exceedingly rejoice in the Lord Jesus Christ who has become your salvation :-)
It's good to see that you are ok. We'll agree to disagree on that point. However, it's great that you are alive and well. I know that I asked it on my blog, but how are you doing personally? Work? Daily Life? I don't even know if you are married. Kids? Girlfriend?
No Keith, you should know that I never agree to disagree. I ONLY agree with what the Lord Jesus Christ is saying and if you would agree with Him, then we both would be agreement with the Lord, and then there would be NO division.
But as it is, there is a great division, as you well know.
As for me, I am a gospel preacher, I preach the gospel of my Lord on the highways and on the byways, convenient or not convenient, on the blog and anywhere where they will lend me an ear.
I am married with a wife and two sons and two little grandchildren, and most of the time my house looks like a railway station. People coming and going, friends and relatives, Bible debates, discussions etc.
Sometimes I think that it can’t get any better than that, but the Lord Jesus always proves me wrong.
How wonderful is my Lord who blesses me beyond my wildest dreams and does anything above I asked or have hoped for.
To Him be all glory and honour and praise and dominion forever and ever.
You sound like me. I am married to my lovely wife, Karrin. I have two daughters, Stephanie 36 and Angela 30, with three granddaughters, Madison 10, Lexi 5 and Sophia 4. I’m glad to hear that you are a full-time preacher. I believe you when you say you trust in God as your Savior. As for our disagreements, he’ll explain it to us when he comes back for us.
Paul,
Why did you skip over my conversation?
So from what language was it translated? Didn't you say in one of your posts that it was written in English and nothing else?
What language is ABBA?
Why would Jesus have to be a father, son, and spirit? Why couldn't he just be Jesus from the beginning and tell people his name? What is God's rationale behind that? You're claiming a concealed Trinity. You just don't know what Trinity really means.
Yes Keith you have told us that over at Brenda’s blog, but thanks for saying it again, it’s nice to hear, but do your daughters believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ or do they believe in that Yahweh god as you do ?
Well my friend, I’m very concerned that your daughters believe the same lie as you do, because there is salvation in NO other apart from the Lord Jesus Christ.
And NO, there is not a god called Yahweh who saves THROUGH a man, that is a great deception and I think that you need to deal with that, or else you are leading your daughters to a false god who cannot save.
And what about your granddaughters, are they going to believe that lie ?
You see, it gets worse, till you repent of that deception.
You said, “ I’m glad to hear that you are a full-time preacher. I believe you when you say you trust in God as your Savior.”
I am not a full-time preacher, as this is not my job, I do not peddle the gospel for money, the Lord has caused me to be financially independent and I have nothing else to do and His love constrains me to preach the gospel.
And I trust in the ONLY ONE God Jesus Christ who is my saviour.
Keith, it is important to know and to believe that there is no other.
Anonymous, it is not my habit to engage in nonsensical questions which does not profit you anything.
You said, “Why would Jesus have to be a father, son, and spirit? Why couldn't he just be Jesus from the beginning and tell people his name?”
Yes he did tell you His ONE and only Name.
Then why don’t you believe Him ?
No you don't engage in conversations that prove you wrong. I have read many of your posts. That is your actual habit.
You were answering my questions earlier and once your doctrine was found to have a hole in it you left for awhile and then refuse to continue our conversation.
Besides who said I never believed Jesus is the father? Who said I didn't believe in Him?
And I repeat, why would Jesus HAVE to be the father and the son and the spirit? Why wouldn't he just call himself Jesus when he created the world? Sounds deceptive to me. Explain it to me.
Rest assured Paul, we will all stand before God and give an accounting, with his Word as the truth standard. Again, it’s good to hear that you’re still alive.
Well my friend, we all will stand before the Lord Jesus Christ, because there is no other god.
And yes, I am still alive and born again, I hope that you don’t think that a dead man is talking to you.
You see, my mission is that you also would be saved and born again.
I am not as much interested that you get your doctrine exactly right.
No, but you need to believe in the right God, that is the most important doctrine, and the right God is the God of all creation which is the Lord Jesus Christ for He alone is the ONLY God our saviour (Jude 1:25).
Look Anon, obviously you haven’t read any of our 217 comments of the last post, otherwise you wouldn’t say that I don’t don't engage in conversations that prove me wrong.
You said, “Besides who said I never believed Jesus is the father? Who said I didn't believe in Him?”
You said it.
“ You just don't know what Trinity really means.”
Well Anon, I have been posting against this devilish doctrine the trinity for over ten years and you think that I still don’t know what ‘Trinity’ really means.
And where did you prove me wrong ?
You admit you were proven wrong in the last 217 post?
Where did I prove you wrong? You won't answer about ABBA? What language is it? If you don't answer that you accept defeat thereby being wrong.
And how is that question different than the others and not as "non-sensical" as the rest yet you answered that one.
Are you a hypocrite, a liar, or just confused?
You see, Paul, that’s an issue with your mindset. You believe there are other gods, to contend with. There isn’t. There is only one God, the Great I Am, YHWH.
To be saved, you must believe in God and trust in the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption. That sacrificial lamb is Y’shua, the one you call Jesus. That’s it! You can add things like “Only the English name of Jesus”, but you can’t change the simple message of the Gospel. Trust in the saving and redeeming blood of Y’shua, which our Father freely gave.
No Keith, that is not an issue of a mindset.
Whoever you will worship becomes your god and that’s the reason why we have so many different gods in this world. But in reality there is only one God and that is the Lord Jesus Christ and any other so called gods would be Satan the devil who is called the god of this world (2 Cor.4:4).
Perhaps just read this post again “All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the devil)”.
That means all Jehovah Witnesses and all Muslims, Trinitarians, Yahweh worshippers and anyone who does not worship the Lord Jesus Christ.
You said, “To be saved, you must believe in God and trust in the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption. That sacrificial lamb is Y’shua, the one you call Jesus. That’s it! You can add things like “Only the English name of Jesus”, but you can’t change the simple message of the Gospel. Trust in the saving and redeeming blood of Y’shua, which our Father freely gave.”
Absolutely NOT !
To be saved, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and worship only Him alone (Mat. 28:9).
Yes, that is JESUS CHRIST alone and NO other name which is not written in His Word the Bible, that is the GOSPEL !
Believe it, you will be saved, believe NOT and you shall be damned.
No Paul, There is no god, other than YHWH.
I don't know what Bible you are reading but here are the verses you just quoted. It doesn't support anything you just commented on.
The ruler of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so they might not see the light of the Good News of the glory of Messiah, who is the image of Yah.(2 Cor.4:4)
And behold, Y'shua met them. “Shalom!” He said. They drew near, grasped his feet, and adored Him. Matthew 28:9
To be saved, you must believe in God and trust in the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption. That sacrificial lamb is Y’shua, the one you call Jesus. That’s it! You can add things like “Only the English name of Jesus”, but you can’t change the simple message of the Gospel. Trust in the saving and redeeming blood of Y’shua, which our Father freely gave.
You admit you were proven wrong in the last 217 post?
Where did I prove you wrong? You won't answer about ABBA? What language is it? If you don't answer that you accept defeat thereby being wrong.
And how is that question different than the others and not as "non-sensical" as the rest yet you answered that one.
Are you a hypocrite, a liar, or just confused?
KEITH, THE Bible does NOT say that. You need to read the Bible my friend.
And the name Y’shua is NOT once mentioned in the Bible, and neither is the name Yahweh mentioned in the entire Bible.
NO my friend, it’s just not there, you are perverting the Scriptures.
That’s the reason why you have been lead astray.
You have said, “the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption”.
Well, do you know what redemption means ?
OK, I will explain that.
Redemption means, ‘to redeem something which already belongs to the owner, all he has to do is buying it back again and then it belongs to him.’
Now, how on earth would God supplied for you a redemption ?
A redemption is that which God ALREADY has accomplished for you at the cross. He has done it, and you can’t do anything to it, it is finished, just as He has said, “It is finished”. You can NOT add, or believe, or receive, or anything else, it was the Lord Jesus Christ who has bought me with His blood on the cross.
If the Lord Jesus Christ has bought me at the cross, then it doesn’t matter whether I believe it or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with what I do or what I think, I belong to Him because He has paid the ransom for me.
The Lord Jesus Christ did NOT supply a redemption for you so that you can go and redeem yourself.
Keith, that is religious nonsense, and many churches preach that kind of garbage to their congregations.
I'm sorry, but I'm looking right at it, at the present time. That's exactly what it says. Are you trying to say that the English Bible is wrong? or are you saying that your English Bible is more correct than mine? If so, how do you resolve that?
"A redemption is that which God ALREADY has accomplished for you at the cross."
Exactly, isn't that what I said. You must believe in God and trust in the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption. He redeemed. You need to accept and trust the redemption, which was done on your behalf, by Y'shua, on the cross, the altar of Yahweh. It does appear that you have an issue with comprehending what is written, both here and in the Bible.
By the way, I was reading 1 Peter, this morning and thought of you. God gave me these passages to give to you, in order to ponder man's predicament.
Because the anointed one also suffered for our sins, righteous on the behalf of unrighteous, in order to render us acceptable and allow us access to Yahweh, literally and surely making dead the animal nature, the sensuous nature of man, in order to be brought back to life spiritually, also to complete his mission by proclaiming openly to imprisoned spirits.
1 Peter 3:17-18
So from what language was it translated? Didn't you say in one of your posts that it was written in English and nothing else?
What language is ABBA?
Well Keith, we both know that the Bible doesn’t say that in the King James Bible, the New American Standard Bible, the New International Bible, the English Standard Bible and in many other Bibles.
And just plain intelligence will tell you that you cannot redeem yourself.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not shed His blood so that you can go and redeem yourself from the power of Satan over you.
That is just plain willful ignorance.
And the Lord Jesus Christ has NOT given us a spirit of stupor, but a spirit of love, power and a sound mind.
Paul, there are three English Bibles that says exactly that. Again, how do you resolve that? Are you saying that there are better English Bibles than others. Which one is the best and why?
I don't remember reading anyone claiming that we have to redeem ourselves. Show me where was that written and I'll condemn it from the mountain tops.
I'll make it easier for you.
What language is ABBA?
Keith, why don’t you try the King James, the one which Christians have used sins King James was on his throne.
It’s the Word of God which is suitable for teaching you in conduct and correction in doctrine so that you would be equipped to preach the truth.
You are teaching a false doctrine, “To be saved, you must believe in God and trust in the sacrificial lamb, he supplied, for your redemption.”
OK, then you explain to me, how is a sinner redeemed and when ?
It's a simple question. And it will profit both of us. It will bring understanding. Isn't that what we're supposed to do?
What language is ABBA?
So, you are saying that you are a King James only advocate?
No Keith, I’m not a King James only, I prefer the New American Standard Bible but the KJV is as good as any other major Bible.
If someone likes to debate the King James Bible only, then I would only quote from the King James that is because it is the Word of God and it has not been tailored to a certain cult group.
Any man of the true God who has received the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ will ONLY preach the Lord Jesus Christ and will ONLY glorify Jesus Christ alone and not that false god called Yahweh.
All the glory must be to the Lord.
And the Lord is Jesus Christ an NO other.
ABBA:
Romans 8:15
KJV: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
NIV: The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
NASB: For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"
NLT: So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God's Spirit when he adopted you as his own children. Now we call him, "Abba, Father."
There were more "ENGLISH" translations. All of the older more "trusted" versions have the word abba in it. Since you won't answer me or even acknowledge me anymore (something I see that you do when you've been proven wrong) I will answer for you. The word abba is not English, never has been. Even as I type this in this little text box blogspot gives me the word abba is underlined in red because the spell checker does not know it. It is hebrew, the original language! The closest translation we have is father...closest we have that is. That is why those verses above have both Abba and Father in the same sentence.
The Bible was not written in English. But has been translated into English so that we can read it easier. Any person can see that. If you think the Bible was written in English first you are no better than Joseph Smith and the mormons.
By the way, NASB is just KJV on American steroids.
You lose.
No Anon, (Tim) we do not call Him “Abba” Father, we call Him simply Father, a title which belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ alone and to NO OTHER.
Abba, is not some kind of a deep mystical word, it simply means Father and NOTHING else, and don’t make a big deal out of that word.
Do you call the Lord Jesus Christ your Father ?
And the Bible wasn’t translated from Hebrew.
You said, “By the way, NASB is just KJV on American steroids.”
The Bible is the Word of God and it is not on steroids, but it is suitable for teaching you in conduct and for correction in doctrine.
Who is Tim?
You didn't answer the question about ABBA. What language is it?
Are you seriously saying the Bible 4000 years ago was written in English?
You said above on Feb 6 that the Bible was translated into English now you said it isn't. Which is it?
So, Paul, what Makes the KJV and the New American Standard, both of which have been found with man made additions in them, better than the ones that I read?
NO Keith that is not true, you are probably reading some kind of latter translations, which were written after the KJV.
All those who don’t want to submit themselves to the authority of the Scriptures will always say that.
For example, in the Old Testament the Name of the Lord had NOT been given and nobody knew His Name, but there are always some kind of deceivers who made up a name for God.
They call him Jehovah, Allah, Yahweh, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh :-) or they say his name is God, or Lord, or just Father.
But their objective is to call someone else Father just NOT the Lord Jesus Christ who is our Father who is in heaven, and therefore they will worship their father the devil just like Jesus has said in (John 8:44).
You see, if they can and will deceive you to believe in another god, other than the God of the Bible Jesus Christ, then Satan has achieved his goal; the worship of himself.
And woe to those who worship the devil.
They also including Jesus called Him Abba.
1638, Paul, 1638 AD. That's the year, they changed the name of Iesous to Jesus, in the King James, which was the second or third revision. Bottom Line: There's nothing special about the name. It's all about the person. The Son of Yah, who freely gave his life, as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. Whether it's Y'shua, Iesous or Jesus, it's all about the meaning......Yahweh Saves.
Yes, there is everything special about that Name, otherwise they would not always trying to change His one and only Name and blaspheming only the Name of Jesus Christ.
There is NO OTHER Name given in heaven and on earth (Acts 4:12) and the Name JESUS is the Name which is above all Names (Philippians 2:9).
Zechariah 14:9 said, “One Lord and HIS NAME is the ONLY NAME.”
Jesus is MY Father who is in heaven and MY God and MY savior and MY Lord.
And then you are saying “There's nothing special about the name.” Well, I think that you need to call upon the Name of JESUS Christ and you shall be saved.
Ok, Paul, what name were the people who translated the 1611 edition of the KJV saved by? Iesous or Jesus?
That’s irrelevant Keith.
If you want to know that, then check it up on the internet, but as for me, I know that the Bible is the Word of God and NOT the Word of Wescott and Horton.
Look Keith, how long is it going to be till you believe that ?
The Bible is written by the Lord Jesus Christ, whether He used a donkey or a man is irrelevant.
You're the one who brought up KJV and now you say it's irrelevant. I guess then it doesn't matter what language you read it in. And in Hebrew Keith is right. Jesus is Yeshua. In Greek it is ieosus. So in Paul's own words it is irrelevant which name you use. Of course just a few posts earlier he said it was. You're weird man. Almost sorry I saw your blog.
I'm sorry, Paul, but I totally agree with anonymous. You were the one that brought it up. You are a dichotomy, my friend, to say the least.
So, in the end, you are willing to faithfully follow a mans interpretation, rather than God's Word.
No, I don't say the KJV. is irrelevant, I said it is the Word of God, then why don't you believe it ?
No Doubt said, "Ok, Paul, what name were the people who translated the 1611 edition of the KJV saved by? Iesous or Jesus?
And then you answered with the following Paul- That’s irrelevant Keith.
And then you tried to backtrack and say- No, I don't say the KJV. is irrelevant,
Keith was plainly talking about the KJV since the post before was referring to it and you said it was irrelevant. You only said that because you were caught saying something that shows you in error and then you tried to backtrack.
Wow.
Anon, read my lips, IRRELEVANT !
I have a 1611 King James Bible in front of me. It’s a copy of of the original 1611 KJV. of the Bible with all its imperfections, typographical errors with regard to spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the use of italics.
But that did not materially affect the meaning of the text.
It says JESUS and NOT Iesous.
OK. do you want me to say it again, it says JESUS CHRIST !
Obviously you must have reason why you try to pervert God’s ONE and ONLY Name which is Jesus Christ.
So now it's back to being irrelevant?
Answer No Doubts question then. What did it say in 1610? Or is KJV the first Bible ever written?
You're very inconsistent.
Paul, look at your 1611 KJV. You will see that the revision is 3 or higher. Rev 1 and 2 had Iesous, not Jesus. If you look it up, you'll find that many hymns, of the day, had Iesous, not Jesus in them. Iesous is pronounce ee-zoo-s. It came from the Greek word, Zeus, which is a mythological god. So, in reality, you are proclaiming salvation through the son of Zeus.
Now, I'm not saying that Jesus is the Son of Zeus, but just driving the point home that the name is nothing special. If you say Jesus, Y'shua, whatever, and mean the true Son of Yahweh, then it doesn't matter. As for me, the closer that I get to God, I feel very uncomfortable proclaiming the name of Zeus, Ishtar, etc during our worship and dedication. Bottom line: It's all about the person and the Yahweh, who sent him.
There is NO OTHER Name given under heaven and on earth appart from JESUS CHRIST.
NOT Yahweh ! that is the devil.
Not Y’shua ! that is the devil.
Because there is NO OTHER Name given under heaven and on earth, and every other name is the devil who is a liar from the beginning and it is his native language.
And please don’t say that you believe the Bible when blind Freddy can see that you don’t believe the Word of God.
And hymns of the day are NOT the Word of God, hymns are the word of mere man.
You said, “the name is nothing special.”
The Name which is above ALL Names is nothing special ?
Maybe not to you, but to all of us who are saved, the Name ‘JESUS’ is everything to us.
You said, “As for me, the closer that I get to God,”
Keith, tell me, to WHICH God are you getting closer ?
Is it to this unbiblical god called Yahweh ?
Yeah, that’s about right, Jesus said that you cannot come to Him unless the Father would draw you.
You said, “Bottom line: It's all about the person and the Yahweh, who sent him.”
Which person do you mean, Y’shua and Yahweh, who sent him ?
Show that to me in the Bible, yes in the Bible if you would believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
Calling the Son of God and God himself the Devi. Wow!!!
Keith, you believe that and NOT me.
I have told you that I believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST alone and in NO OTHER God.
Any other god is the devil, Satan or the serpent, just as the Lord Jesus said in John 8:44 or John 6:70 etc.
Why is it that you can’t hear what the Lord Jesus is saying ?
Keith, if the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY God there is, then who is that god you are calling Yahweh ?
Isn’t that then the devil, the god of this world ?
NO, there are not TWO God’s !
Well Keith, if you would have ears to hear, then you would repent for believing in the devil, and turn from your false god to the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.
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And I keep telling you that there is no other God then Yahweh., Plainly, here is no other God. It appears that you have a polytheistic view of the world. If you can get past the issue of believing that Satan is a God of this world, I think you’ll be closer to understanding God‘s word.
Well Keith, Satan is the god of this world (written with a little ‘g’) (2 Corinthians 4:4), because you worship him, and he has deceived the whole world (Rev.12:9) including you to believe in him.
Keith, I know that you can see that, and you know what you have to DO about that.
Then why resist the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Look my friend, we ALL have come to the Lord Jesus Christ on bended knees and there is no other way.
Only the narrow way will lead you to the Lord, and the way is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Jesus is the door and any man has to enter by Him.
Satan is your god? Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.
How on earth do you think that Satan is my god ?
2 Cor, 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are PERSHING, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
Now, tell me, WHO is the god of this world ?
Don’t you know ?
Well, I can assure you that the god of this world is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, because the Lord Jesus Christ is MY God and MY Father.
Now, tell me, is your god Yahweh the god you worship ?
Again, you know what you have to DO, that is repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved, believe not and you shall be damned.
Would you like me to show it to you in the Bible ?
To Moses, God said,” I am Yahweh, the Lord thy God! You shall not have no other gods before me.” You clearly recognize Satan as a god for this world. Since you belong to this world, you must recognize Satan as your god. I am not of this world, therefore I do not recognize Satan as a god. The Bible clearly says that Satan is the ruler of this present age. However, my God Yahweh shall and always will be God of all creation. He will soon show his power to all and every knee shall bow to his glory through his son and true king of this world, Y’shua.
You know, you're both right and at the same time you're both wrong.
No Keith, the Lord did NOT say to Moses, “I am Yahweh, the Lord thy God!”
The Lord said to Moses, “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.” (Exodus 20:2)
As I always have said, the Name of the LORD had NOT been given in the Old Testament, and nobody knew the Name of the Lord.
The Lord was only known under the TITLE “Lord or God” in the Old Testament because His Name had not been given till He was born into His own creation as a man.
His Name was first known in Matthew 1:21+ 25 where the angel of the Lord said , “and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”
And yes, Satan IS the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) written with a little “g” just as I have said in my previous comments. He is the god of all those who do NOT believe in the Lord JESUS, all those who believe in any OTHER name like Jehovah, Yahweh, Ehye Asher Ehye and whatever, because there has been NO other Name given, and NO OTHER NAME means exactly
that “NO OTHER NAME !”
JESUS is the Name !
And NOT Yahweh, I have told you that Yahweh is the devil your god.
And yes Keith, Satan is the ruler of this present age and he has deceived you, and you believe in him.
Jesus said, Matthew 23:33 “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell ?”
Well Keith, you cannot escape that sentence !
You see, the Lord Jesus Christ made it simple for you, but you need to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and then you shall be saved.
Anonymous, do you mean at the same time ?
That would be an oxymoron.
...and as I have said so many times before, you deliberately close your eyes to the truth of the scriptures. Don’t you realize that just because you say it isn’t so, doesn’t make it so. The Bible continually and consistently proclaims Yahweh as the name of God. I don’t know who you’re trying to fool. Everyone who reads the Bible clearly see this point. I would reallyl like to know your agenda.
Keith, show me in the Bible the name ‘Yahweh’ ? Just once ?
You're wasting your time my friend, it’s just NOT there !
I think that your church has deceived you to believe that lie.
Perhaps you do the same with your children, you hiding some Easter eggs in the garden and tell them that the Easter Bunny has put them there. :-)
Well my friend that wasn’t funny.
Just think when Manoah asked the Lord for His Name, why could He not just say, Yahweh ? (Judg. 13:18).
Or Jaacob, why could He not just say ‘Yahweh’ ? (Gen.32:29).
You see, He could NOT, because His Name had to be given to a man, and that man was the Lord, and it could only happened when the Lord God incarnate in man Jesus Christ Immanuel.
Once again, Paul, you know very well it wasn’t of the Lord, that Manoah asked of his name. It was one of his Angels. Please stop making things up. Look at what the Bible actually says. Why are you doing this?
No Keith, the whole chapter of Judges 13 is speaking about the Lord God of Israel, and Manoah himself said to his wife, “we have SEEN God” (Judg.13:22).
It was the LORD God the Almighty who ascended up in the flames of the sacrifice and NOT an angel.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the angel of the Lord throughout the Old Testament.
No angel or any man could ascend in the fire of the sacrifice, only the LORD God JESUS Christ can and did.
Look my friend, you need to think when you read your Bible.
What a imaginative mind you have, Paul, to consistently read something that’s not even there. I’ll give you the real possibility that some of the appearances were misconstrued or even a real possibility of God assuming a temporary physical form. There are eight recorded appearances in the Old Testament where God did perform a theophany, but there were no Christophanies in The Tanakh, the Old Testament. C’mon Paul, read what’s really there. Take it one word at a time and mull it over in your mind. Pray on it. Let the Spirit guide you. Don’t let your beliefs guide you. Give yourself freely over to the Guidance of the Spirit of God and read what’s really written.
Judges 13:22 said, “WE HAVE SEEN GOD” !
Do you know what they have seen ? Yes “GOD” !
And don’t try to pervert the Scriptures.
You honestly don’t understand the Word of God, do you? I know it doesn’t matter to you what the Word really says, but you do realize that no one can see the face of God? That’s what the Bible says.
No Keith, you do not understand, the reason is because you don’t know God and you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ therefore you can’t know God.
And yes, Manoah saw the FACE of God, just as Moses spoke face to face with the Lord just as a man speaks to his friend (Numbers 33:11).
Have you got a problem with that ?
It is obvious that when you ask someone for his name, you look into his face.
And neither did Moses knew God’s Name, as I have said, NOBODY knew God’s Name in the Old Testament, He was only known under the TITLES Lord and God or the angel of the Lord.
I think it is time for you to humble yourself and repent of your false god Yahweh and turn away and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, also need to be baptised into the Name “Jesus Christ” for the forgiveness of your sins.
Paul, it’s doesn’t matter what you think or believe or what I think or believe. It’s all about what is true. The truth is that you and I or any human can not stand in the glorious presence of God. In the same way Thomas saw God, when he looked at Y’shua/Jesus, Moses and Manoah both saw a physical representation of God, Thomas saw God through the physical representation of the Messiah. Moses saw God through the physical representation of a burning bush. Manoah saw God through the physical representation of an angel. You have got to quit interpreting scripture piece by piece, on a whim. You need to interpret scripture based on the whole Bible. You need to interpret scripture based on what it says, not what you believe.
Keith, it is time for you to repent while today is still called today, and do NOT harden your heart as those did in the wilderness.
And remember, they all perished because they would NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, so therefore be eager to turn away from any other god and ONLY believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
My friend, I confess and repent every night. I rely on his faithfulness to forgive my sins through the blood of Y’shua. Every time, throughout the day, when I close my eyes and I say My Lord Y’shua ha Mashiach and My God Yahweh Hayah Asher Hayah, the Great I AM!
I confess and repent every night is your religion Keith.
The Catholics do exactly the same and then they give thanks to the holy Mary.
That is called USELESS religion and that is NOT what the Lord Jesus Christ requires from you.
He requires from you that you turn away from any false god, and confess it, so the I can hear that you have repented, and then come to the Lord Jesus Christ “all of you who are heavily laden and I will give you rest”.
And just that you know, it is JESUS Christ who is the “I am” and NOT the devil called Yahweh.
For Jesus said, “unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins”.
I know that you don’t like reading what’s really in the Word of God but 1 John 1:9 says If we confess our sins, Yahweh is faithful and just to forgives us of our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
No Keith it doesn’t say that and neither can it.
Yahweh can NOT forgive your sins, just like Allah or Buddha can NOT forgive your sins either, that is, because there is NO OTHER Name given under heaven and on earth whereby you must be saved. And that Name is the Name which is ABOVE all names, so that at the Name of
JESUS Christ every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that JESUS Christ is the Lord GOD Almighty to the glory of the Father. (That is, to the glory of the title Father, and NOT to the glory of another person called Father.)
Look Keith, there is no other way into God’s Kingdom, no backdoor, no side door, but only the front door and that door is the Lord Jesus Christ.
He said, “I am the door and any man has to enter by Me” (John 10:9).
Yes Keith, He is the narrow door and you need to humble yourself before the Lord, NO tall poppies or anyone with an inflated ego will enter.
Well, I ought to know, because I had to do the same, so therefore make every effort to enter through that narrow door, “for this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or a covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God” (Ephesians 5:5).
Paul, I totally agree that there is no other way into Yahweh’s Kingdom, no backdoor, no side door, but only the front door and that door is Lord Y’shua The Messiah. His name even means “Yahweh Saves “ or “Yahweh’s Salvation “He said, “I am the door and any man has to enter by Me” (John 10:9).
I agree with you, Paul. No truer words have been spoken Amen!!!!
I can't even get in this conversation anymore. You two ramble on about the same thing and you don't get anywhere.
No Keith, NOT into Yahweh’s kingdom, but into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
Remember I have put up a post about the TWO kingdoms, and God’s kingdom is the kingdom of JESUS Christ, and Yahweh’s the devil’s kingdom.
And no, there is obviously nothing mentioned in the Bible about a kingdom of Y’shua, but only the kingdom of JESUS Christ who is our ONLY God (Jude 1:25). There is NO other one who is God.
Can’t you grasp that ?
Look my friend, it does NOT say Yahweh saves in the Bible. You are making that up, NO it does NOT say that Yahweh saves in the BIBLE !
And it doesn't say in the BIBLE that a lord Y'shua is the Front door. That's your perversion of the Bible my friend.
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