Watch out for Pastors
Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces, and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely. Mark 12Watch out for Pastors. They like to walk around in distinguished Pastors clothing and be greeted at church gatherings, and have the most important seats in the churches and the places of honour at church functions. They devour the money from poor women by requesting tithes and offerings with many perversions of scriptures and for show make lengthy prayers about themselves and their church. Such men will be punished most severely.
Can anyone show me just one scripture where a man or woman in the bible is called a Pastor?
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Watch out for PastorsPosted by Correy Friday, May 12, 2006
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
18 Comments:
This post surely is not serious?
PB are you comparing ALL the pastors of todays church with the hypocritical and blind pharisees of the New Testament?
Even though the word "Pastor" may not be used in scripture, can you show one scripture when a man is called a grandfather?
MDM
'Pastor' occurs in the scripture - The Lord promised them, and Paul tells us that he kept that promise.
You can see for yourself
here.
Really an unbelievable post. "Can anyone show me just one scripture where a man or woman in the bible is called a Pastor?"
Mr. Somers is correct. There are many places where the word 'pastor' is applied to men,(never women). But to use that as a test of whether something is 'scriptural' or not, whether the english word appears in the bible, is really foolish.
The word "trinity" is not in the bible, oh wait... that is because there is no trinity, :)
The word "rapture" is not in the bible but you believe in the rapture of the church don't you?
The word "bible" is not in the bible.
And I could go on and on with this foolishness. Suffice it to say that the test of "if the english word itself doesn't appear in the bible so it must be wrong" is foolish.
The scripture, Mark 12, that you refrence in your post about the evils of pastors is not properly used. That is refering to pharisees, people that did the very things that Jesus was talking about. They wouldn't even consider themselves 'pastors', they were the teachers of the law only.
The work of a pastor goes far beyond just teaching the Word of God, but it appears by your distain for them you don't know any true pastors. That is really a shame. A true pastor is exactly what the Apostle Paul called them, a "gift." Eph 4:8
I'm fully aware that not everyone that calls themselves a minister or a pastor is true, there are many hirelings and false prophets and evil men that will hang any title they can on themselves, but God does have Pastors and Apostles, and Evangelists, and Prophets and teachers today.
I pray that you will find a pastor that will preach to you and pray for you and that will "watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." Heb 13:17
thanks rob,
i wrongly assumed that "pastor" did not appear in the bible as this post is so against pastors. They are all through scripture and even are called pastors.
Is it that this post is poorly phrased and directed at 'false-pastors'? I cirtainly hope so.
MDM
A very interesting post PB.
I have a church program in front of me, would you believe there are eight male pastors and four female pastors, the senior pastor is a women.
Every one loves to be called Pastor, Reverend, Father and so on there is no end with them and they have an un-crucified lust for power, money and stature. They're supposed to be men filled with the Holy Spirit, yet they are filled with themselves.
William Huntington rightly said!
"Instead of shepherds of sheep, they are herdsman of goats."
I like the term you used once'
"Man appointed pastor."
I find it interesting that no one could tell me the answer? It seems no one asked their pastor about this question.
Rob,
Did you actually read those scriptures?
Here is a sample from the old testament.
For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
However in all those scriptures can you find one man called pastor?
Magi:
As in most of my posts they are very short and have been thoroughly thought out with 1 simple truth. If you think like a child you will often see this truth.
John Mason
You are so busy justifying man-made terminology such as trinity or rapture you missed the point to this post. Can you find the name of someone called Pastor?
Paul
That is a great quote about hearding goats. William Huntington knew what was going on. 8 self proclaimed Pastors for one church oh no.
it seems you need to re-write scripture to make your point?
as rob said "The Lord promised them, and Paul tells us that he kept that promise"
Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
where in scripture is Jesus called pastor?
paul,
perhaps you should not attend church so as not to be identified with the goats...
simon
Simon:
Please refer to the next post for the answer. Don't you attend a church so as not to be identified with the goats?
I am curious as well. What is your issue with pastors? Other than your biblical evidence you have quoted.
I would agree with modern day magi: if you are going to use the hermeneutical device of "show me one place in Scripture where it says/doesn't say...." that is a dangerous game. You can prove or disprove anything that way, such as:
Marijuana/drugs
R-(0r x-)rated movies
Pornography
Card playing
Beer drinking
Cigarette smoking
Vision statements
etc., etc.
The list goes on and on. But they're not listed in Scripture, so they are either OK to do, or they're not OK to do, depending on which side you're on.
Clint:
You assumed that there isn't an answer in scripture and quoted Magi who since took back his statement because he never sought the scripture. The truth is there is an answer to this question.
Perhaps "truth" would be a very good hint for you to persue.
PB,
the only reawswon I had to retract my statement was that I incorrectly assumed you would have done a little scripture searching yourself before posting this.
When you asked "Can anyone show me just one scripture where a man or woman in the bible is called a Pastor?" I assumed that you had in fact checked and that there was NO occurance of "Pastor" in the Bible.
I was inccorect because I had assumed you had at least a little scriptural evidence for your position.
See Jeremiah 3:15 (KJV), the NIV uses 'shepherds' instead of 'pastors' and Ephesians 4:11
God has clearly chosen some to be pastors and sheppherds of his flock.
"Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies." - Romans 8:33
MDM
Magi
This is a great observation that scripture translates shepherd and pastor the same. I would have loved for you to proclaim this truth that Jesus is the ONLY shepherd and obviously the ONLY man mentioned as a pastor in the bible.
Interesting use of Romans 8:33 :)
I love how Jesus says to the children of God that we are chosen to be brothers.
Which is why Jesus tells us never to give ourselves titles nor to have people call us titles.
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers."
Sorry PB, I made the mistake of getting sucked into your debate for a minute there.
I apologize for wasting all of your time because it is clear that it isn't about being convinced, or convincing someone else with your "truth" or whatever.
I think there's a much bigger point to be made out there.
As I said in another post, I used to get into these kinds of debates, butt I realized they are pointless. If it makes you feel better then I cheerfully withdraw. God bless.
Clint:
I personally believe that the biggest point to be made is Jesus. Which is the answer and point of this post. Jesus is our one true pastor or shepherd and Jesus is the only person in scripture ever called a pastor and this is because he is the only one who deserves to be called pastor. This is the truth which by definition the truth is Jesus which was my hint to you.
I thorougly enjoyed the post you did on "Pastor Jesus" which is how I found you in the first place. Well done I loved this post.
Best Regards
You mentioned Mark 12:38-40 as your supprot to "Watch out for Pastors".
Where this passage is also found in Matthew 23:5-7 it has an interesting introduction.
Verses 2-3 read "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
pretty clear about submission to them. I still think the comparison is unfair and a little off base but if the comparison is made then it should be made through all scripture, especially the related sections.
"you must obey them and do everything they tell you."
MDM
hey puritan,
what do u think of 1 tim 3? It doesnt use the word pastor, but it obviously talks about bishops, decons and overseer's ( how ever u spell that :)
And what does a bishop mean anyway? Isnt jesus a bishop...isnt he a decon...isnt he the great high priest? yet he calls all of us high priest doesnt he? And he is a pastor also ... we are all pastors arent we?
I think its just the way the word is used and the era. Its put in place of 'Church Leader'...what do u think?
canigetsomelove
Spot on we are all priests and kings unto our God. This was a great doctrine that the old puritans tried to establish "The priesthood of all believers"
Yes a bishop is an overseer.
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