The Truth About The FREE GIFT Of God ?
Romans 3:26 "For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord".
Most Christian Churches teach that Jesus holds that free gift of eternal life in His hands and you must take that gift from His hands in order for you to have eternal life.But that is called stealing. And don't be deceived, no thief will have eternal life.
Those are false teachings and are not true.
(Picture above), such a seductive gift of eternal life is only in the hands of the tempter, and it will remain in his hands forever.
But the FREE GIFT of God is and must be in the possession of the one whom God has given it (past tense), otherwise it's not a free gift.
If God has not given you the free gift of eternal life, then you don't have it, no matter what you think and say, you don't have it. It's as simple as that.
You may ask; what must I do, or how can I get that free gift of God ?
A free gift is a free gift and you can do absolutely nothing for it, otherwise it's not a free gift.
And that gift is not as a result of works so that no one may boast Ephesians 2:8-9.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that is not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God;...." Ephesians 2:8-9.
Again, if that free gift of eternal life is not in your possession, then the gift was not for you.
What do you think ?
Please let me hear your thoughts, it is not only for my good but also for your own good.
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The Truth About The FREE GIFT Of God ?Posted by Paul G Wednesday, November 20, 2019
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Now wait a minute....the post from this blog, Salvation to ALL men says that the salvation to for all men. The same blog-- PURITAN BELIEF, but you say only some can get it. So which is it?
Yes Anonymous, that salvation which I posted is the free gift of God eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And that is not for everyone of mankind, as it is the habit of some teachers to teach.
Obviously some will never ever see or experience that life because it is a free gift of God to His children alone, the children of God, the elect.
So you are saying that God arbitrarily condemns people, regardless of their actions, before they were even born?
No Mr. Moron, that’s what you are saying.
To the contrary, I am saying that God arbitrarily judges every careless word which comes out of your mouth, even the careless words here on my comment sections.
But as to the free gift of God eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord, that gift belongs only to the elect, the children of God whom He foreknew before the foundation of the world.
Remember it’s a FREE GIFT !
And you can do absolutely nothing to receive or to reject that free gift.
And my Father the Lord Jesus Christ can and will give that gift to whomever He chooses apart from their deeds or works.
Perhaps you might see that the sons of the devil will miss out of that free gift which is from my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
Otherwise, how can election stand ? (Rom. 9:11)
Paul that is not what your blog says. I gave you the link. It says all men are saved. You're now saying some will never be saved because God doesnt choose them. One of you is lying.
No Anonymous, that's what you are saying.
I said that salvation is for ALL men, on condition that they believe in my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
And if they don't believe, and don't DO what my Father the Lord Jesus Christ has said, then they will perish.
You said, "It says all men are saved".
I don't make statements like that.
Blind Freddy knows that not all men are saved or will be saved, but only those who obey my Father the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved.
Anonymous, I can see that you haven't got a clue what salvation is all about.
Have you ever read the Bible ?
Or do you read the Bible though someone else's eyes ? perhaps your pastors eyes ?
And YES, some will never ever be saved, because my Father the Lord Jesus Christ will not give them the free gift of God eternal live in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Have you got a problem with that ?
You still don't know what the free gift is all about.
Do you think that the Lord Jesus must give you eternal life because have been jumping though hoops ? tell me, what is the free gift all about ?
Anonymous, You find that Paul changes his mind and his doctrine, every time you can back him into a corner. He is as the wind blows.
The gospel preached at this blog reeks of human feces and rotten dispensational tomatoes.
Paul smells like greasy armpits and lit cigarettes in an ashtray. It's time for him to take a shower and put on some Acts (Axe) Deodorant. He'll learn to apply discernment like its deodorant.
How can I reason with a dog who only barks from behind the brick wall.
My Father the Lord Jesus Christ taught me well, when He said, “Do not give that which is holy to the dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
That proves my point, if they could choose eternal life, then they would choose eternal life, and we would need to live together eternally in the presence of my Father the Lord Jesus Christ. That would be UNTHINKABLE !
I’m glad that eternal life is the free gift of God in Christ Jesus our Lord, and He gives it only to His children. (conditional election), not unconditional election.
I will state it again, YOUR blog, right here in this link Salvation to all men says grace is brought to all men, yet in the same blog, YOU say it is only for some on a conditional basis. Yet at the same time you say it is not done by works: "You may ask; what must I do, or how can I get that free gift of God ?
A fee gift is a free gift and you can do absolutely nothing for it, otherwise it's not a free gift.
And that gift is not as a result of works so that no one may boast Ephesians 2:8-9."
Which is it?
Are you only chosen by God and the rest have no chance or is salvation open for all?
Is it by grace or is it by works? A condition means something has to be done.
Can you see your own contradiction? One of you is lying. Which is it? It's a simple question. If you are not denying lying then the other person who wrote that stuff on YOUR blog is lying.
Anonymous you said,
“Which is it?
Are you only chosen by God and the rest have no chance or is salvation open for all?
Is it by grace or is it by works? A condition means something has to be done.”
So you don’t know ?
I’m glad that you don’t know :-) I could give you that answer, but because you are such a rude and ill-mannered kind, therefore you have to ask my Father the Lord Jesus Christ yourself.
Then please tell me what He said :-)
Nice way to ditch the question. In other words you don't even know yourself. A real ambassador would witness the truth. One of you is lying and you haven't denied it yet.
“And none of the wicked will understand”. Daniel 12:10,
Are you afraid to answer?
“But those who have INSIGHT will understand”. Daniel 12:10 :-)
They surely do.
Praise be to my Father the Lord Jesus Christ the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it.
Wow. You must really doubt yourself if you can't answer. It's really simple. All you needed to say is that Corey was wrong. Every time you write you prove more and more that something is wrong your doctrine.
Yes. Jesus is Lord. Yes. We are saved by grace. Yes. We understand. But now that I said that you will now turn this into your circular argument, your go to statement.
Either Corey was wrong or you are. Just say which one and I will walk away from this conversation.
I pray Jesus heals your mind so you can actually be a real ambassador for Him and stop this madness you spew.
No Anon. Correy is not wrong.
You said, “Yes. Jesus is Lord. Yes. We are saved by grace. Yes. We understand.”
Is that one of your cliche talk ? I’m not fooled Anon.
Every pagan and every devil and every parrot can say that, or make such statements.
Certainly, Jesus is NOT your Lord. Bind Freddy can see that you never ever owned my Father the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord. And we both know why, don’t we ?
And it is impossible for you to believe that you are saved by grace alone without YOU doing anything at all. Remember, works is doing something.
OK. surprise me.
Lastly, you said, “Yes. We understand”.
Tell me Anon, what do you really understand ?
It's impossible for me to be saved without works? Did you seriously just say I have to do works to be saved?
"And it is impossible for you to believe that you are saved by grace alone without YOU doing anything at all. Remember, works is doing something."
Maybe you said it wrong but your sentence grammatically speaking means I have to do something to be saved.
So again, which is it?
Yes, I seriously said that you can NOT be saved without works.
Have you ever read your Bible ?
The Bible is full of works which you MUST do in order to be saved.
Or perhaps, do you think that you can be rude and ill-mannered scumbag and walking into the promised land, just like that ?
You gotta be kidding.
That is called self delusion. Remember, they ALL perished in the wilderness, save Joshua and Caleb.
Do not be deceived, “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
But you said in the original post that you can't get this gift by works: "a fee gift is a free gift and you can do absolutely nothing for it, otherwise it's not a free gift.
And that gift is not as a result of works so that no one may boast Ephesians 2:8-9."
Which is it?
Of course not, you cannot get that free gift by works. Otherwise it’s not a free gift.
Remember, you surely would boast before my Father the Lord Jesus Christ and say, ‘if you would have done such and such like me, you too would be saved’.
But I’m glad that my Father the Lord Jesus Christ has hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and gave it to babes.
But you JUST SAID, "The Bible is full of works which you MUST do in order to be saved."
And now you said, "you cannot get that free gift by works."
You just said you need works to be saved and you can't be saved by works. You gave both answers.
Which is it? Works or not?
Your headliner on your whole blog says "The Puritans are the men of God who started in the 16th century building on the purity of the gospel message that Salvation is by Grace alone."
By grace ALONE. And now you say it has to have works. You're such a lying confused person it's unbelievable.
You just can’t see it, can you ?
That to me is amazing :-)
I marvel over the majesty of my Father the Lord Jesus Christ that He can speak so that you can hear and not understand and see and not perceive.
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that is not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Please tell me, how does that read to you ? and the Scriptures can’t be broken. Can a man be saved by doing something ? YES or NO ?
Hebrew 5:9 “And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto ALL them that OBEY HIM;”
Please tell me, can those be saved if they don’t obey Him ? or, if they don’t do the things the Lord Jesus Christ commanded them to do ? YES or NO ?
Keep ditching the question.
Since you won't answer then here is another question you can't answer based on your doctrine. Can a man's actions be greater than the sacrifice of Jesus? Does the 10 Commandments save you? Are works greater than grace? The answer to all of those is NO. It's amazing how you can't see that given the scripture you are quoting.
You said, “Can a man's actions be greater than the sacrifice of Jesus?” Your answer is NO.
That is an open ended question, and it depends whether the sacrifice was for me, or for those in hell, or for both.
If the sacrifice was for both, then the sacrifice was useless for the one in hell, and untrustworthy for me.
The Calvinists understood that problem, but you Arminians still don’t get it.
You said, “Does the 10 Commandments save you?” Your answer is NO.
Tell me Anon, why then did the Lord destroyed all those who transgressed the Commandments and saved all those who kept them ? Why ?
The first Commandment, Exodus 20:1-3 ‘I am the Lord your God. You shall have NO other gods before Me.’
So you think that that command cannot save you ? then think again. Not to mention the second and the third Command etc.
Transgress them and you will perish in hell. You can call upon your false god Jehovah as long as you will, he cannot save you.
You said, “Are works greater than grace?” Your answer is NO.
Well, what do you really mean by ‘grace’ ?
That is such an open ended statement which means nothing.
How does grace relate to works ?
And how can grace be greater than works ?
Well, at least you gave an answer finally. But I feel sorry for you if you believe exactly that.
By the way there is more than one anonymous on here.
Let's start with error number one. I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian. Nor Catholic nor protestant. Nor Puritan nor separatist. I am simply a follower of Jesus. I have no doctrine of my own nor follow any man made doctrine.
Error number two. No action that man can do is ever greater than the sacrifice that Jesus did. Jesus' sacrifice is greater than anything we could possibly do. If it wasn't then that means some of our sins are more powerful than the love of God. His sacrifice would not mean as much if what we do could out do His works. Our works could never out do His works. Why would Jesus go though all he did if something we would do is greater than that? The answer was no.
Error number three. The Lord destroyed those in the OT for not following the 10 Commandments because these commandments made them guilty. 2 Corinthians 3:6 tells us the letter killed but the spirit gives life. He has made a new covenant. At the "last supper" Jesus says in Luke 22 that the cup is the new covenant. You and I are under the new covenant. We are no longer under the letter of the law that kills but under the new law of the spirit that gives us life. Tell me, did Abraham follow the 10 Commandments? The answer is no, yet he was considered righteous. Jesus fulfilled that law and set up a new covenant. The law had its purpose and that purpose was to show how sinful man actually was and that no one could really span the gap between God and man. The law is holy but does not make man holy. Even under the law a sacrifice had to be made. The blood is what made man holy. Jesus' blood is now that sacrifice, once and for all. Now do I feel the 10 Commandments are a way of obeying God? Yes, but if you are a true follower of Jesus then you will do these because it is in your spirit to do the right thing anyway. Do you really think we needed a law that said don't murder? Wouldn't that be common sense? Do you think you need a law today that says don't murder? No. But it should be in you to know it anyway.
Error number four. I call upon the name of Jesus to save me.
Error number five. Grace is greater than works. The last question is not open ended. Grace is you getting the good you don't deserve because He got the bad He didn't deserve. Grace means you are covered for what you have done by someone else who has done something for you. Grace is receiving love even though you don't deserve it. Nothing you do can ever outweigh His love.
Error number six. This goes back to your original post. The gift is not taken, I can agree there. But the gift is received. This free gift is GIVEN to you but you have to RECEIVE it. There is the difference between what you said and what the Bible says. No one TAKES the gift as in stealing. Who preaches that? I have never heard we steal the gift. No. We receive the gift.
I feel sorry for you because if you believe that you have to follow the 10 Commandments to earn your salvation then you will never see Jesus because you will have to be perfect to get there. If you get there by works then you don't need to know the sacrifice of Jesus because you could do it on your own, unless you still sacrifice your own lamb. Do you ask forgiveness every night for your sins? Because what happens if you forget one sin? If that is the case then we are all doomed.
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Now I am not saying that you should just sin and be ok with it. Paul said the same thing. Should we go on sinning? By all means no. But where sin abounds, grace abounds more!
Paul, look don't answer right away. Think about these things before you just jump into your Jesus only spiel. Listen to these words and weigh them. It's ok not to be right and to learn something. You have a horrible personality that if someone says the sky is blue but you feel it is yellow you would argue to no end it is yellow and then ask which god told us the sky is blue.
No Anonymous I did not give you an answer to your questions, because you are not able to hear it anyway. I rather provoke you with the two seemingly opposing arguments of the (grace) free gift salvation and works salvation.
No 1. Everyone can say that. Even I can say that. Perhaps you have copied that from a previous comment of mine.
Of which Jesus are you a follower of ?
Are you a follower of my Father the Lord Jesus Christ ? or are you a follower of some kind of plastic Jesus, which is only a middleman through to the real God ?
No 2. Yes, but for whom is that sacrifice which supposed to be great ?
Is it for everyone in the whole world ? If you say yes, then that sacrifice is useless or worthless as I have said in my previous comment.
And exactly the same is for the love of God. If the love of God is for everyone, then the love of God is useless for everyone who is in hell.
Such sacrifice is NOT great, and neither is such love, it is called USELESS love which makes the Love of God a mockery.
Just imagine, if God would love only ONE in hell, whom He wanted to save, then his love means absolutely nothing, and His saving power is absolutely worthless.
No 3. Yes, you are right in theory. Every preacher knows that but only in theory but NOT in practice.
And Abraham did not have the 10 Commandments, he didn’t need them, and neither did Moses because they walked with my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
But the 10 Commandments are for all of you who transgress the first command of the Lord, and if you transgress only ONE of the Commandments you are guilty of all others.
And don’t think that you have a free card to heaven, by saying, ‘in Jesus Name’.
No 4. You said, “I call upon the name of Jesus to save me.”
Tell me Anon, on WHICH Jesus do you call ?
Do you call on Jesus Cortes who recently died in a car accident ? or on which Jesus ?
And don’t forget to tell me, to save you from WHAT ?
Do you mean to save you from being unsaved or what ?
No 5. Yes, that is basically true, but only the outline is true.
You said, “Grace means you are covered for what you have done by someone else who has done something for you. Grace is receiving love even though you don't deserve it. Nothing you do can ever outweigh His love.”
Hmmm, “covered for what you have done”.
Yes, maybe for you, but NOT for me.
My Father the Lord Jesus Christ did not cover my sins, He did a lot better than that, He erased them, and removed them from me, and nowhere to be found.
If they would have been covered, then they could be uncovered and that would be unthinkable.
“Grace is receiving love even though you don't deserve it. Nothing you do can ever outweigh His love.”
Well Anon, that is just religious gobbledegook.
Tell that to someone in hell and listen to what he will tell you.
No 6. No you don’t agree with me, you said the opposite to what I am saying.
You said, “But the gift is received. This free gift is GIVEN to you but you have to RECEIVE it."
That is the same as to say that you must snatch it out of His hand in order for you to have it in your possession.
That is called STEALING, as I have told you before, and no thief will have eternal life. Don’t be deceived !
Tell me, how else can that gift be in your possession, without you stealing it ? Obviously the Lord has NOT given you that gift, you are only lying.
Reread your statement and think it through.
And you have never heard that you are stealing that gift because you don’t believe in my Father the Lord Jesus Christ, for, if you would believe in Him, you would have given me an amen, but you can’t hear my Father nor can you hear me.
And you don’t need to be sorry for me, but you should be sorry for you and your children and your children's children, because they ALL will believe that lie.
And neither do I like your rude and horrible personality as to suggest that I wouldn't know what receiving a free gift is.
Wow. An actual conversation. Cool!!!
No1. Jesus. Plain Jesus. Case closed.
No2. The sacrifice is for all. 2 Corinthians 5:13-15. He died for all. He was raised for all. And those who live will want to live for Him since He did that for us. Notice the main point. He died for ALL. See point no. 6 for more reasoning.
No3. Abraham and Moses didn't need the 10 Commandments? Neither sinned? Abraham was from Ur. He may have had idols. He lived with the Chaldeans. Abraham lied twice out of fear and not trust. He did not trust God when he tried to get Him to accept Ishmael as his heir. Moses murdered someone. Moses took control of the situation with the rock and took credit for the power of God. Both sinned. So if they sinned once they sinned against all, your words. The 10 Commandments just outlines God's plan for man and shows how unholy we are. They do not make us holy.
No4. I'm not going there because that will become the only thing you talk about. Jesus. Plainly Jesus.
No5. The word covered is semantics. Covered as in is I don't have to worry about them. Not as in being able to uncover them. Such as when someone who is paying for something but a friend says, don't worry I have it covered, meaning he will pay for it. Just semantics. Romans 4:7
Let me continue in new post in case this is too long to post....
No6. Since you like analogies here is one for you. This morning I saw sunlight shining into my house through the window. And it made me think of you and this post. My house was receiving the sunlight. The house did not reach out and grab the sunlight. The sunlight came in and the house received it. But how was it received? By allowing the window to be open.
In other words we receive this grace. We don't steal it from God. But we have to allow it to enter before we are saved. The gift of grace is there outside the window. It is for all. But only some will open the window to let the sunlight in. Receiving is not stealing. Receiving is accepting what is being given to you. John 20:22 says Jesus told them to receive the Holy Spirit. Did His disciples steal the Spirit? No. He breathed on them and the received. They could have walked away. They could have said No Jesus don't breathe on me. But they received it, willingly. An open window. Please find a place where the word receive is used in scripture and have it mean steal.
And please don't talk about how I am suggesting you don't know about something because you are the biggest culprit on belittling people, especially when you start your sentences with "You see...." as in you are teaching little children who don't understand. So let's not turn this actual conversation into this.
No 1. If there are 10000 with the name “Jesus”, then I need to ask you which one of those who carry that name Jesus do you mean ?
Case OPEN.
If your ‘Jesus’ is one of three persons who are gods, or God, then obviously you don’t know the true God and eternal life. And it matters not how you rearrange your words to fit that lie, or even use the Scriptures to fit that lie.
I make it my job to UNCOVER, to take off the cover from that lie and expose that lie for what it is, a LIE. Just like the free gift lie :-) Lies are always lies, no matter how you repack a lie, or whether you put a ribbon on your pack of lies and hold it in your hands (picture, post) and say, ‘it is a free gift’, you must take it, if you want it.
No 2. Yes, I have put up a post that Jesus Christ died for ALL, and He rose for ALL, and nobody disputes that.
You don’t answer my question. You are avoiding my question.
If my Father the Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL, does that ‘ALL’ mean for everyone in hell ?
That’s a legitimate question.
Question rearranged; If He died for ALL, then did He died for those in hell ?
If He died for those in hell, then His death and sacrifice was useless for those who are in hell.
Look, you don’t need to be Einstein to see that GREAT ERROR.
So, what I’m saying is, my Father the Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL of His children only, the elect, the chosen ones from before the foundation of the world. That is what election is all about.
No 3. I did not say that they make us holy.
No 4. Yes, that question will make you uncomfortable, till you will believe in the true ‘Jesus’ which is my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you transgress on that, then all your doctrines most likely would be wrong.
No 5. OK. just semantics.
No 6. I always find it amazing and disturbing that some of God’s creatures think and say that they can ALLOW God to do whatever they want.
Imagine, a creature walking up to my Father the Lord Jesus Christ and say to God, ‘I ALLOW you to save me, but not today, perhaps tomorrow I will ALLOW you to save me.’
Unthinkable, that kind of arrogance which most Christian people believe.
Well, what can I say to such deluded Christians people ?
The gospel of course, You need to repent of your Christian religion and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved, you and your household.
Can you hear that ? If you can’t hear that, then you can’t hear the above.
John 20:22. You said, “He breathed on them and the received. They could have walked away. They could have said No Jesus don't breathe on me.”
Anonymous, who told you that ?
Do you think that you can walk away from the Lord God Almighty just as you please ? well, then think again.
John 20:22 They did not and could not steal the Holy Spirit, they RECEIVED the Holy Spirit.
It is obvious that you don’t know what RECEIVED means.
You think RECEIVED means that you have a choice to take it or to reject it.
But that’s not what RECEIVED means.
As I have been telling you in all my comments and in my post, “RECEIVED” means, it is your possession, and if it’s not in your possession then you haven’t received it. And if you haven’t received it, then it is not in your possession, and you can’t reject it.
You cannot reject something which my Father the Lord Jesus Christ has NOT given to you.
Why not ?
Because you don’t know what the gift is, therefore you can’t reject what you don’t know, especially not the gift which I have RECEIVED from my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
OK, which gift am I talking about, or are we talking about ?
Which is it ?
I have asked that question numerous times.
You have a habit to avoid the answer.
And when we are talking about one gift, I never talk about another gift which is not in question. Otherwise we have a confusion.
No1 Nope not going to go down your path. Jesus. Cased reclosed.
No2 Yes. He died for all. Even for those in hell. But they chose not to accept the gift. Now, if you are asking me to explain why He did this then I can't answer it. And neither can you, accurately. You can give your opinion and I wouldn't argue with it. But He did die for all. The elect are those who chose to believe.
No3 You may not have "said" they make you holy but you were leading it that way since you said Moses and Abraham didn't need them. Well why would we need them then? Do you walk with God?
No4 Doesn't make me uncomfortable. I am just not going to go there. Jesus, plain and simple.
No6 You are a little contradictory again. You say man HAS to do something to be saved and then you say he can't choose to do it. You say I need to repent as if repenting is my choice but then you say I can't choose to accept the spirit. Which is it? Can I choose to repent or not? If I can't choose to repent then repenting means nothing. If I can choose to repent then I can choose to accept the spirit and grace. Are all of those going to hell just because God created them just to go to hell. Are you saying He gave them no choice to accept Him or not? That is totally against John 3:16. The analogy is Matthew 27:17 when the crowd chose Barabbas which means son of God over the actual Son of God. People choose who they will serve. Even Joshua 24:15 says people choose to serve the Lord. Matthew 10:14 has Jesus saying if people don't heed your words then shake the dust off your sandals. In other words, if they don't listen (choose to hear) then leave them. Why even try to teach them if they are chosen to listen or chosen to reject Him before you get there?
Why wouldn't we know what the gift is? He tells us what it is. The gift is grace. The gift is eternal life. You are saved by grace.
I don't know why you think I am avoiding any question. You have never asked "which is it" in any comment. I have said it a few times but you never asked it until the last comment. However, you have asked what is grace and I have stated what I think it is. So, your comment is moot.
No 1. I think it would do you a lot of good to go down that road.
Many of my friends who have persisted to go through the agonies of confusion and pain and then suddenly My Father the Lord Jesus Christ has opened their eyes and they can see.
How marvellous the feet of him who brings good news.
No 2. You said, “ Yes. He died for all. Even for those in hell.”
Even for those in hell.
You gotta be kidding. Are you ?
Imagine, He tells them, ‘I did all I could, but I couldn't save them because they wouldn't believe that I died for them.’
Anonymous, how can you believe such garbage.
That is exactly what those false preachers preach, which I hate with a passion.
An impotent god who wants to save them but he can’t get his act together so as to save them.
And then you can’t answer it, but you will debate it.
Tell me, how can you debate something which you don’t know ?
And, who told you that I don’t know it ?
Do you think because you don’t know it, that I don’t know it ?
And then you said, “The elect are those who chose to believe.”
Are you really saying that ?
Wow !
Imagine, the elect saying, ‘today I’m going to choose to believe’, (and then he is elected), tomorrow he chooses not to believe, (and then he is rejected). Believe = elected, believe NOT = rejected. Believe = elected, believe NOT = rejected, etc. etc. Doesn’t that sound like a Yo Yo election to you ?
And that supposed to be before the foundation of the world ?
I’m sure you gotta be kidding.
In a jury, who do you think elect the jury members ?
Is it the jury members who elect themselves or who ?
Well, I hope you get the point.
No 3. Yes, Abraham, Moses and I are holy because our Father the Lord Jesus Christ is holy.
Yes I walk with God, and so should you.
You cannot walk with God if you don’t know God. If your God is Jehovah, then you don’t know God, and you cannot walk with God whom you don’t know.
I walk with my Father the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the ONLY true God and eternal life (1 John 5:20).
No 4. Again, putting the head in the sand doesn’t save you.
No 6. That is just a confusion of concepts.
Of course you can choose.
You can choose to jump to the moon, or you can choose to give a billion dollars to your favourite charity, or you can choose to help the old lady over the road.
Does it matter to my Father the Lord Jesus Christ which choice you are making ?
My Father the Lord Jesus Christ said, “You have NOT chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, …..”
And yes, you can choose to repent, but tell me, repent of WHAT ??
You said, “I can choose to accept the spirit and grace.”
Are you sure that you can do that ?
And did you accepted the spirit and grace ?
Please tell me, which spirit did you accept ? there are lots of spirits to accept, and which spirit did you accept ?
And do you know what grace is ?
Everybody knows that grace is the ‘UNMERITED FAVOUR of the Lord’.
Please tell me, how can you accept or reject the unmerited favour of the Lord ?
I have clearly demonstrated that you can do absolutely nothing apart from boasting.
You said, “Are you saying He gave them no choice to accept Him or not? That is totally against John 3:16.”
John 3:16 does not give you a choice to accept Him. He makes a statement that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Well Anonymous, how far do you want me to go ? Look, everything you believe is just nonsense which you have borrowed from false teachers.
There is absolutely no truth in everything you present.
I can rip all your doctrines apart and we would achieve absolutely nothing.
Perhaps the best place is to start at the beginning.
First off, this is not a debate. I am not going to "win" and you will not "win". All I want is a discussion. Are all of your posts meant for debate? Are you here just to argue and stir people's emotions and be a stumbling block to them? If that is the case then your whole blog is being done for the wrong reasons.
No 1. That may be true for your friends. Been there. Done with your tactic. Jesus. Case still closed. You have your thoughts on this. I have mine. Having you go through your circular arguments does nothing for us nor the discussion. We are talking about if every person can be saved or not.
No 2. I never said He didn't have the ability so save them. But He does give you a choice. John 3:16, For whoever believes shall have everlasting life. This belief is a choice. It's not about if He can or can't it's about He did and can you accept it. It doesn't lower His sacrifice, it enhances His love because it says even though there will be those who will never believe I am still doing this. I can't answer it accurately because I am not God. I don't know why good things happen to bad people and why bad things happen to good people. Why did He even create people? Why did he allow sin to be a choice? There are many things I can't explain because I do not know the mind of God, and as I said, neither do you.
Yes. The elect are those who believe. The chosen is Israel. If you noticed the word elect is not in the OT, except in some English versions but only in Isaiah talking about Jesus and the future. God chose the Jewish people. Now if the Jews are chosen to be His people and someone converts to Judaism, is that convert a chosen person? YES!!! If God's elect are Christians and someone converts to Christianity do they become one of the elect? YES! They chose Jesus Christ.
If they don't choose to be part of the elect then they choose to not be part of His House and therefore cannot be in heaven.
Make sure you don't mix the modern word "election" with "elect". The jury argument is not valid.
No 3. You missed the point on this one. Do you NEED the 10 Commandments?
No 4. Jesus. Case closed.
No 6. I can agree with much of what you said here but if I can choose to repent or not then I am at that point accepting His grace or not. I am repenting of my actions (choices) and saying I accept you are the one who saves me from my past. His grace then covers me and I am saved.
I received the promised Spirit, the Holy Spirit, case closed.
John 3:16 is ALL about choice. I believe or do not believe, that is a choice. You evens aid it yourself, "He makes a statement that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Belief is a choice.
Hmmm, I can see that you are comfortable in your ignorance.
It seems to me that you like to have your god to be your servant. You telling him what his name is, and what he can do and he cannot do, and what he must do and when he is allowed to do it etc.
Well, those are your words, not mine. You have a habit of using that tactic of trying to make the other person seem irrational by putting words in their mouth to make you seem superior in your thinking. When I tell Him what His name is? When did I say He CANNOT do something? When did I say when He is ALLOWED to do something? That's right, not once. Yes, I used an analogy but analogies aren't real, just related examples. Your habit of twisting words is obvious and unneeded. If you disagree with someone then just disagree with them.
And you also have a bad habit of missing important points and questions. Please tell us if you need the 10 Commandments or not.
Sorry, I had to re-post this because I forgot a word.
Well, those are your words, not mine. You have a habit of using that tactic of trying to make the other person seem irrational by putting words in their mouth to make you seem superior in your thinking. When did I tell Him what His name is? When did I say He CANNOT do something? When did I say when He is ALLOWED to do something? That's right, not once. Yes, I used an analogy but analogies aren't real, just related examples. Your habit of twisting words is obvious and unneeded. If you disagree with someone then just disagree with them.
And you also have a bad habit of missing important points and questions. Please tell us if you need the 10 Commandments or not.
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You said, “When did I tell Him what His name is?”
You can’t tell His Name because you don’t know His Name. You call Him by many names, from Jehovah to Yahweh to El Shaddai and Gadol Ehye etc. etc. and for that reason you don’t and you can’t tell His one and only Name, apart from, “Case closed”.
And for that reason I have already told you that I don’t need the 10 Commandments, but YOU, you definitely need the 10 Commandments because you are transgressing the First and Second Commandment of the Lord.
In a jury, who do you think elect the jury members ?
Is it the jury members who elect themselves or who ?
You should know better than to discard this analogy.
It is God who chooses the elect, and NOT the elect chooses themselves, that would be stupid and ignorant.
nd there is your other ploy/tactic; turn the conversation into something else. I never mentioned any of the names you listed.
I'm going to stick to the topic. You started off by saying people need to do something to be saved. How were you saved if you don't need the 10 Commandments? Did Moses follow the 10 Commandments after they were given to him? However, I agree that you don't need them. I don't need them. Jesus paid the price of all the sacrifices (the real thing that saved the Israelites not the Commandments). Jesus put all of them together anyway when He said there are two of them. If you are really saved then those Commandments are in your heart and you live by them naturally. And if you can't follow them and He is the sacrifice then it is only by grace that we are saved. Call on His name----JESUS, the only name I have said. All men can be saved if they call on His name and believe. He will do the rest.
The jury is only an analogy and not congruent to actual Spiritual reality. The jury analogy is good but not perfect. Neither was my analogy about the window. Analogies are only point givers not proof. Elect does not mean like election. Elect means separated for a purpose. If you choose Jesus you are a set apart but you have to choose Him, otherwise you are still part of the goats and not the sheep.
You seemingly don’t listen; I said, “YOU” need the 10 Commandments, because YOU are a transgressor of the First and Second Commandment.
Wow Anonymous, I can’t believe my eyes for what I’m reading in your comment.
Please tell me, how long have you been a Christian, or how long ago have you been converted to Judah-Christianity ?
And please tell me, how did it happen ?
How did I break those two specifically?
And if you break one, you break them all. Are you saying you have never lied, stolen, coveted, disobeyed mom or dad, committed adultery in your mind (as Jesus said is also adultery)? You have always kept every sabbath holy? Do you even know when the sabbath is? If you say sunday, go back and relearn stuff. How do you keep it holy? You haven't sinned at all?
No. No one needs the 10 Commandments. Why would anyone need them?
A long time....I said I believe, forgive me of my past. I was baptized for a clear conscience and a symbolic cleaning. Stick to the topic.
You said, “I said I believe, forgive me of my past. I was baptized for a clear conscience and a symbolic cleaning.”
Is that all ?
You may have joined the K K K and said ‘I believe, forgive me of my past and got baptized for a clear conscience and a symbolic cleaning’.
Congratulations, you’re now a member of the K K K :-)
Now you can hide as Anonymous with no name, and you can do whatever the K K K does best in Jesus name. Don’t be surprised, they too believe in a Jesus just like you.
But that is NOT so with the elect children of God.
The elect children of God have been chosen by my Father the Lord Jesus Christ from before the foundation of the world.
Because they were the children of God from before the foundation of the world, therefore my Father the Lord Jesus Christ elected only HIS children to be the elect, the chosen ones, and He has given the free gift only to his children and that is apart from Satan's children.
You see, it is IMPOSSIBLE for goats to become sheep, no matter how hard they try, a goat is always a goat, and sheep will always be a sheep.
If a goat joins the sheep pen, than that goat is a goat dressed in sheep's clothing. Or a wolf or a goat dressed in sheep’s clothing makes no difference.
The same is with the children of Satan, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Satan’s children to become the children of God, they are the rejects, opposite to the elect.
If Satan’s children join the Church of God, you have the wolves in the sheep pen.
And the FREE gift of God eternal life is only for the sheep and not for the wolves, in order that election might stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls (Rom 9:11).
They believe in a Jesus just like you too then. You're labeling me without knowing me. But that is another tactic by you.
Anyway, back to the topic. I noticed you skipped over the questions I asked. So let me ask them again: How did I break those two specifically?
And if you break one, you break them all. Are you saying you have never lied, stolen, coveted, disobeyed mom or dad, committed adultery in your mind (as Jesus said is also adultery)? You have always kept every sabbath holy? Do you even know when the sabbath is? If you say sunday, go back and relearn stuff. How do you keep it holy? You haven't sinned at all?
No. No one needs the 10 Commandments. Why would anyone need them?
Don't skip them this time.
Do you understand the goat and sheep used by Jesus is just an analogy. In real nature you are correct goats can't be sheep. Duh. But one can become a child of God. You are either born one such as the Jewish people or you are adopted such as NT believers.
And here you are again saying not because of works yet in an earlier post you said we have to do something to be saved. I repeat----Which is it? Works or not?
As I have said, you seem to be comfortable in your ignorance.
And thank you for your comments, it is good to hear your thoughts.
So you don't sin?
You don't know if you are saved by grace or works?
So I guess when you can't answer something you ignore the issues?
And you think you were having a debate? You can't even have a discussion, let alone a debate.
I know the answers to the questions I asked.
Yes. You have sinned, everyday more than likely. You are not holy, but you have been made righteous by the blood of Christ. Not by your works but by His grace. Same with me.
Without Jesus you have to follow the 10 Commandments. They don't make you holy but they are guidelines how to live. The sacrifice is what would have made you righteous. Jesus filled all righteousness and since you are in Him you have been made righteous. You chose to believe in Jesus. We repent because we choose to take on a different life. That is why Paul said we are a NEW creation. If we couldn't choose we wouldn't be a new creation we would just a new way of living, same creature, new living.
And a third tactic by Paul....ignore the facts the person shows him and leave for awhile hoping the person who just showed him his error leaves as well instead of actually discussing things and learning. He thinks he is above all.
Another question he can't answer: If we are chosen then why would God send His Son to go though all of what He did? If we are chosen with no choice of our own then He died for nothing. There would be no reason whatsoever for Him to come to earth and die. No. He died for all. If we choose to accept Him then His blood covers us. If we choose not to accept Him (the truest form of blasphemy) then we are not covered.
Learn Paul. Learn. You may be an old man but it's not too late to actually listen.
Still ignoring people. Keep it up Paul. You sound better when you don't talk.
Come on Paul for once have an actual conversation. You run away like scared little puppy dog every time you're challenged. If you're going to make a claim or are a real ambassador then you would in all sincerity talk to people.
Satan must have your tongue bound.
If you can't discuss then your word has no validity.
I am very sorry for treating you so harshly, Brother Paul. I decided to reconsider what I have been saying to you and prayed about it and God revealed to me the truth of what you were saying. I hope you forgive me.
There is more than one anonymous here.
And that "other anonymous" is myself. Are you okay Paul?
I hope you forgive me Paul, warm feelings and a hug. Merry Christmas!
I have no problem with any Anonymous for signing in as Anonymous, but if there are more than one Anonymous, then please sign in with a name. It doesn't need to be your real name, just a name so that I can identify you.
And if you are the Anonymous who cannot understand that a sheep cannot become a wolf, or a goat cannot become a sheep, or a child of Satan cannot become a child of God; not in the natural and neither in the spiritual, then you need to find someone else who can agree with your stupidity.
Any Anonymous who cannot understand that a free gift is not there for you to choose it, or to take it, or to reject it, then obviously you are incapable to hold an intelligent debate.
Adonai will give a sign.
A virgin maiden will become pregnant,
Bearing a Son,
Calling out the Name,
Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14
Immanuel means “with us is God” or “God is for us” or “God will keep us(safe)”.
All three are acceptable interpretations.
Jesus is the Latin version of the Hebrew name, Y’shua, which means “God Saves” or “God is our Salvation” or “God will keep us Safe”.
In Hebrew, Immanuel and Y’shua(Jesus) means the same thing.
Keith, the Bible does NOT say, “Adonai will give a sign”.
And remember, the Bible is the Word of God and not what you're saying.
The Bible, which is the Word of God said, “The LORD Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.”
Please tell me, who is the ‘LORD Himself’ who will give you a sign ?
Is the ‘LORD Himself’ the Lord Jesus Christ, or WHO ?
In any language, if it doesn't mean what it means in English, then it is a lie of Satan to pervert the truth. Remember, Satan is the father of all liars, and all his children speak his language.
Everyone knows and reads Isaiah 7:14, but rarely reads the rest of the prophecy, which is equally amazing and accurate. Nowhere else, but in the Bible, is this level of accuracy.
He will eat Curds, Honey,
in order to know evil
and choose good
Before knowing how to refuse evil
and choosing good,
the land,
by which two kings you dread,
will be forsaken.
Yahweh will bring upon the people,
your father’s house,
days that which never have come,
since the day that Ephraim
was separated from Judah,
even by the king of Assyria.
Isaiah 7:15-17
Curds are symbolic of tested Words or Doctrine, while Honey is symbolic of an abundance of good things and prosperity.
The scriptures tell us, in Luke 2:40,
“And the child grew
and was made strong in spirit,
being filled with wisdom
and the grace of God was upon him.”
Before this occurred, two kings, the Greeks and the Romans, who were despised by Israel, forsook the Land of Israel, ushering in days , never seen by Israel, even leading to their diaspora and the destruction of the Father’s House, the Temple.
Notice, Paul, that the child Jesus grew in wisdom and became strong in the Spirit. God does need growth. Please explain that.
What?
How did we get to that topic? The topic was a free gift or not.
The last point was this:
Paul, do you sin? And then you refused to answer and even left your own post until you faked being some anonymous asking for your forgiveness.
Let's stick to the topic.
Keith, the Bible is absolutely accurate everywhere, and not just in Isaiah 7:15 - 17; that is because it is the Word of God without error or fault.
You don’t quote from the Bible, because you don’t believe the Bible, and therefore you quote from another book, perhaps from the book of Alibaba and the forty thieves.
If you want to know anything about God, or want to know God, then you need to read the Bible and quote only from the Bible.
I believe there is only ONE true God and that is the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20 and Jude 1:25) . And there is only ONE false god who would like to be God and that is the devil, or Satan, he is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), and everybody who does not believe in Jesus Christ, must by necessity believe in Satan.
Tell me, what does that make Yahweh ? or Jehovah ? or Allah etc. ?
God has only ONE Name, Jesus who is the Christ.
Satan has many names, whatever you give him.
You said, “God does need growth.”
What do you mean by that statement ?
Which God does need growth ?
Are you suggesting that God needs to grow ?
Grow in what ?
Grow in knowledge, or in wisdom, or in physical stature, or what ?
The answer to that is, absolutely NO.
When God was lying as a baby in the manger, He was reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Cor. 5:19) in all wisdom and knowledge and understanding.
Did He had to grow in physical stature ?
The answer is YES, of course He had to grow up and become a mature man just like one of us.
And all the shepherds came and worshipped the Lord God Almighty the creator of heaven and earth Jesus Christ.
What do you think, the shepherds and all of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ would worship Him, if He would NOT be the only true God and eternal life.
Anonymous, I did NOT faked being some anonymous asking for your forgiveness. That was someone of you Anonymous.
I do not need to hide behind a brick wall.
And the free gift of God has absolutely nothing to do with sin. Remember, it’s a FREE GIFT !
Seemingly you haven’t got a clue what a free gift is.
If a free gift rests upon your sin, then that gift was merited upon whether you have sinned or not, and then you have earned it.
Do you sin Paul?
Your response is to a different question. Go back up and reread. You just used a strawman argument.
I kept asking because you said you don't need the 10 Commandments. I said no one needs them.
I just want to know, do you sin? I will answer it for you if you can't. Yes. Paul, you sin.
How do you know? Because you have broken at least one of the 10 Commandments. Or if you haven't ever sinned then you don't need grace.
See, you don't know the difference. Until you answer the sin question, you have no validity in this conversation.
Anonymous, if you would read the Bible, then you would know that all men have sinned, and if you say that you have no sin, then you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8).
You said, “Or if you haven't ever sinned then you don't need grace.”
What are you talking about ?
Are you talking about the free gift of salvation which is by grace alone lest anyone may boast ? or what ?
Or do you think that you need grace because you have transgressed the 10 Commandments ?
Please tell me, what is grace ?
Well, I tell you that you don’t need grace, you need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved, believe NOT, and you shall be damned.
Even demons "believe" in Jesus. Blind Freddie knows that.
You need to receive His grace. The gift that is given to you. That is what this whole thread is about. You don't get it.
I already answered the grace question. You never answered the sin question. The best you did is just quote scripture. It's like you answered without actually acknowledging your sin.
So why do you NOT need the 10 Commandments? Why do YOU NOT need them? You never answered that at all.
Anonymous, you said, “You need to receive His grace. The gift that is given to you. That is what this whole thread is about.”
Yes, I suspected that you really meant the FREE GIFT, but, again, you didn’t say it. Just read your sentence again, you didn’t say ‘the FREE gift’, that is, because you don’t know what the free gift of God is. For, if you would know what the free gift of God is, then we would be in agreement.
You said, “You need to receive His grace.”
NO Anonymous, you don’t need to receive His grace.
You need to HAVE the free gift of God in your possession, otherwise the free gift of God was NOT for you. That is what my post is all about.
Perhaps, it’s just like Christmas, someone has given you a free gift, which is ONLY for you, you have in your possession and all others have missed out.
There is no way for the others to get the same gift :-)
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year ! :-)
Today’s Sabbath Thought
Even Though God Knows
And Can Do All Things,
He Does Not Actively Impede
Or Intervene In
The Actions Of His Creation
Due To His Commitment To
Man’s Sovereignty And Free Will.
Well my friend, I have a BIG problem with that kind of thinking.
I cannot see that a worm is Sovereign and has a Free Will.
I tell you, if that worm would be Sovereign and has a Free Will, he would tear my Father the Lord Jesus Christ off His Throne and set himself on it.
Keith, there is only ONE who is Sovereign and that is my Father the Lord Jesus Christ, and also, He is the only ONE who really has a Free Will.
A worm is not Sovereign, but my Father the Lord Jesus Christ has given that worm a Limited free will, and therefore he should turn from his wicked ways and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ so that he might be saved.
You see Paul, that’s why you are not received well. You basically said the same thing, yet the first thing you said was that you disagree.
Tell me Keith, is the Lord Jesus Christ alone sovereign, or is man sovereign ?
Or perhaps are both together sovereign ?
Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies. Yes, man presently has sovereignty over God’s creation. However, it is a given sovereignty. A sovereignty that will never be taken away.
No my friend.
The Bible calls the Lord Jesus Christ alone the Sovereign Lord, and apart from Him no one else is sovereign.
Perhaps a king or a ruler likes to be sovereign, but they are not.
Sovereign means, someone who has absolute power, just like a despot.
I know only ONE who has that kind of power, that is my Father the Lord Jesus Christ.
Even after all this time, it still amazes me how out of touch you are concerning basic concepts and what is written in the Scriptures.
Out of touch, Hmmm, nice try :-)
We both know who is out of touch, don’t we ?
Only my Father the Lord Jesus Christ is a SOVEREIGN despot, and you should know that the world cannot have TWO SOVEREIGN’s.
Just the same as there cannot be TWO LORD’s, but the world and the devil demand from you that you call them Lord, yes, even with a capital “L”, in order that you don’t call my Father the Lord Jesus Christ “Lord”.
My friend, you are supposed to have the mind of Christ and not the mind of the world.
I’ll try this one time and one time only. Can individual nations have sovereignty over their own land? Yes, of course. If man doesn’t have sovereignty over his own life, then God causes them to sin and stray from his commandments. That’s something we both know is true.
No Keith NO !
Only my Father the Lord Jesus Christ is Sovereign, (with a capital ‘S’), and He did not and does not give or share His Sovereignty with a man, or a nation.
If a man, or a nation claims to be sovereign, does that really give them sovereignty ?
Absolutely NO !
They just hijacked the word 'sovereignty’, because they really want to be God themselves, or be like God.
You see, if you take the word ‘Sovereign’ and put it into an inferior position, then the word ‘Sovereign’ has lost its meaning, and you can say whatever you like.
And certainly I will not argue with stupidity.
You said, “ If man doesn’t have sovereignty over his own life, then God causes them to sin and stray from his commandments. That’s something we both know is true.”
Well, I don’t know, but you tell me what you mean by that statement.
In jesus-is-savior.com type my top 10 list of gifs.
1.) repentance
2.) the love of God in you
3.) the unconditional love
4.) gift vs. reward
5.) gift vs. work
6.) faith is not a trial basis
6.) false religions exposed
7.) the Unpardonable sin
8.) the sin of unbelief
9.) the mercy seat of God vs. the white throne of God
10.) can salvation be lost
And follow me in my Facebook posts and followups, thank you.
Just to be clear, God is God, so before you were born, he already knows if one will be saved or not. That's what I read in jesus-is-savior.com. The Bible (inspired king James version) tells us and mentions exactly the word and phrases of apostle like,,, it is not of and no more of in the law of moses and righteousness therein you should be saved but by the grace of God alone.
Guys, guys, guys, please read your bibles, thank you and have a nice study day. And may you have a morning and sunny day today.
Worshipping sabbath day instead of God is really wrong
In jesus-is-savior.com have you read the false religion exposed,, and please follow my Facebook posts and my anti-terror Facebook comment. Thanks.
http://puritanbelief.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-truth-about-free-gift-of-god.html in this site, I have a comments that I think will help you.
It is actually located at the last page. Thanks.
Hi Patrick James R. Quijano.
Thank you for your comments.
You said, “Just to be clear, God is God,”
Well, absolutely NOT !
From where did you get that statement ??
From Alibaba and the forty thieves ?
You need to read your Bible my friend, and quote the Bible.
Only one who doesn't know God makes such a statement.
So, Just to be clear God is NOT God. The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth and beside Him there is NO OTHER God.
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