The TRINITY is the hallmark of the APOSTASY!
APOSTASY means falling away from
the Lord Jesus Christ, or falling away from faith in Jesus Christ our
Lord and God.
It does NOT mean falling away from a
Church, a group of people, a denomination, a doctrine or even “God”.
The Trinity is “Antichrist”
at the foundation.
The Trinity is the teaching
which leads even the elect away if possible and causes them to
apostate from the true God and only God Jesus Christ (1 John
5:20 + Jude 1:25 + Jer. 5:20) to other gods.
The Trinity doctrine is designed
by Satan to undermine ones faith in the only God Jesus Christ the
Lord (Jude 1:25) and to lead them to believe that there is another
identity the 'Father' who is separate from the Lord Jesus Christ and
is also a God. By dividing God into three persons, their allegiance
and worship is also divided and therefore all Trinitarians
transgress the first and foremost of all the commandments of God
(Mark 12:29, Deut.6:4+7:9) and are guilty of transgressing ALL other
commandments of the Lord (James 2:10).
Everyone who believes in the Trinity
has fallen away (Apostate) from worshipping the Lord Jesus
Christ (Mat.2:11+8:2+18:26+28:9+17) to worship another god whom they
call Father (Ex, 20:5+Rev.13:8).
All Trinitarians are idolatrous
because they believe in MORE than one God (Mark 12:29), and stand
condemned (Exo.20:3-5), unless they repent (Rev.3:19).
Trinitarians say that God is
made up of three persons, the first person “God the Father, the
second person God the Son, the third person God the Holy Spirit”.
God the Father is not God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is not God
the Father or the Son, all three are separate identities and make up
one God. Like one Apple who is cut into three pieces and each piece
is only one third of the Apple, so is each one of their gods only one
third and all three persons together make up one God.
The term “God the Son and God the
Holy Spirit” is not found in the Scriptures, it would indicate that
God would be more than ONE.
Contrary to Scriptures,Trinitarians
believe that Jesus and the Father are TWO (John 10:30), and neither
do they believe that the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17).
According to Scriptures, (Deut.7:9 and
Mark 12:29) there is ONE God and that is the FATHER (1 Cor. 8:6).
Jesus Christ our Lord is the Father
(Isa.9:6, John 14:9), it is Jesus Christ who holds the titles “Father
and Son and Holy Spirit” (Isa.9:6, Luke 1:35, 2 Cor. 3:17). Jesus
Christ was in the beginning and He created all things and nothing
came into being apart from Him (John 1:3). Everything was created by
Him, through Him and for Him (John 1:3).
Jesus Christ is the TRUTH! (John 14:6)
and men loved not the truth (2 Thes.2:10), therefore He gave them
over to believe the LIE (2 Thes. 2:11) which is the TRINITY
teaching.
Every Trinitarian is praying TO
one God whom they call “God the Father” THROUGH another God whom
they call “God the Son”, they pray to “God the Father” and
end their praying by saying “in Jesus Name”.
Trinitarians sometimes pray to
the third person whom they call “God the Holy Spirit”, perhaps
they think that the first person of God wasn't listening, so they
better ask the third person of God also in the Name of the second
person of God (Jesus).
If that is not the epitome of idolatry,
then what is?
Because the Trinity is a
powerful satanic delusion, therefore Trinitarians are skilful
in lying and twisting the plain word of God to suit their deception
and add to Scriptures other concepts which are not found in the
Bible.
A correction to all Trinitarians;
If you do not love the TRUTH (2 Thes.
2:10), which is the person of Jesus Christ (John 14:6), then the Lord
will give you over to believe the LIE.
Therefore repent of all other
god-persons and turn to Jesus Christ the ONLY true God (1 John 5:20)
and be saved.
Please let me hear your thoughts.
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The TRINITY is the hallmark of the APOSTASY!Posted by Paul G Friday, December 07, 2012
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
62 Comments:
2 Thes. 2:11 kjv
this is what I believe the lie is:
1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
the lie="he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"
Which means ALL trinitarians are indeed liars and are committing the sin unto death.
Christ the Son of God that was to come can be read PLAINLY in Is 9:6-7 kjv.. This is the anointed King that was to come according to the scriptures: GOD THE FATHER HIM SELF.
Unless one agrees with Is 9:6-7 regarding Christ, the Son of God being God the Father, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be saved..
"15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."
"he shall ask, and he(JESUS) shall give him life(Spirit/Faith in the Gospel/eternal life) for them that sin not unto death.(any other sin but unbelief regarding the Son of God JESUS CHRIST: IS 9:6-7) There is a sin unto death(UNBELIEF): I do not say that he shall pray for it."
John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joseph
Hi Joseph;
Again I fully agree with you. I know that you delight in the Word of God and that you study it diligently.
(1 John 2:22)
the lie = "he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?."He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
"denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"
Yes, that's the problem, Trinitarians deny that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father and the Son, and that Jesus is the Spirit (2 Cor.3:17) [Christ].
Paul
"Yes, that's the problem, Trinitarians deny that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father and the Son, and that Jesus is the Spirit"
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
"in WORKS they DENY him"
The works in this quote above is referring to unbelief because the work of God is to believe:
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
"being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
The good works they do are rejected by God because they were not wrought IN God/Christ=
Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
notice what the Lord thought of their "wonderful works"
One only needs to read verse 21 to know they did not do the will of the Father:
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
I am here for you Paul.
Joseph
Thanks Joseph, I always appreciate your comments they are true and scary.
For those who don't believe it is judgement and for those who believe it is salvation unto eternal life.
Paul
How can you have a blog called "Puritan Belief" and not believe in the Trinity? Just curious.
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Thanks Dwain and Amanda for your curiosity.
Haven't you noticed that I believe in the only true Puritan which is the Lord Jesus Christ, and He certainly doesn't believe that God is three persons (the Trinity).
To the contrary the Lord Jesus made it clear that the Lord our God is ONE and not three as you believe, therefore you have bought into the biggest lie the god of this world has enticed you to believe.
Just for your curiosity, I have met the Lord our God and He is certainly not three and there is no other beside Him.
Paul
@Dwain and Amanda
Charles H. Spurgeon was an unbelieving ANTICHRIST that believed that damnable doctrine of the trinity which DENIES the only true God and leaven goes back a lot further than Charles.. Here is a truth friend, if you hold this trinity doctrine to the grave you will most SURELY suffer the wrath of Christ in the day of God..YOU have been warned.
"1 John 1:6-7 : WALKING IN DARKNESS VS WALKING IN THE LIGHT "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3DnGk9fUkU
Be blessed Paul.
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Thanks Joseph for the link, that's really great stuff, and I also enjoyed to hear your salvation testimony on one of your other video clips "The gift of God: Do you have it?"
I think that personal testimonies of salvation are a powerful tool to reach out to those who only have a theory of joining a church-denomination and are not experientially born again.
I pray that you you will be blessed and have a good new year in our wonderful Lord and only God the saviour Jesus Christ, to Him alone be all the glory honor and praise for ever and ever.
Lots of brotherly love
Paul
Hi Paul,
I am interested. Where you say in answer to one of your commenters that you have met the Lord Jesus, have you written of this experience? I would like to read it.
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Hi Brenda;
Many years ago somewhere in a comment section I shared a very short version of my dramatic conversion and the encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes perhaps I should do a post on my conversion to Christ.
Many times I thought to do so, but as you can see that all of my posts are kept as short as possible because no one likes to read long posts, but my encounter with the living God the Lord Jesus Christ was so dramatic that it really needs a very long post to portray the power and majesty of the creator of heaven and earth the Lord Jesus Christ to save a wretch like me and my whole household.
Brenda, it troubles me immensely when most so called Christians claim that they know God and don't know His Name and neither do they know who He is, they claim to be saved because they have joined a church-denomination and believe a doctrine and perhaps said a sinners prayer.
Well, That's just not good enough!
The living God whom I personally know is a lot better than that, He is able to appear before any man or woman who calls upon His name, and to call upon His Name, they first need to know His Name before they can call.
Most Christians don't call because they don't believe that He would do anything big and supernatural for them so they end up clinging to a doctrine or a pastor or a church-denomination instead to the Lord our God Jesus Christ.
Brenda, I know that you know all those things and much more, I have read many of your comments on your blog and on other peoples blogs and I enjoy your insight into spiritual matters and your excellent writing skill.
Kind regard
Paul
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Yes Paul,
I know that many are missing out because they are seeking the Lord through another person instead of direct. This is why I believe that whatever a person has been called to do must be done by that person. I am amazed that many people claim to know God but they do not believe that with Him all things are possible. Perhaps one day you will share your experience as I don't mind how long the post will be, I would be interested in reading it as I have had supernatural experiences while being Christian, and before that I know have been brought about by God.
Lord Jesus Christ bless you brother, I am always waiting for new posts Paul, I find your zeal for the truth to be edifying... I have all these things revealed to me regarding the deeper things of the scriptures and I feel as though it is being wasted on the def and blind(Gets discouraging) I would be feeding with joy if one were to show me what I know now when I got saved, it would have saved me a lot of confusion from false teachers. I feel like no body cares for the truth and even find my self getting a little too defensive with those who obviously know not God, any suggestions Paul?
Lord Jesus Christ bless you Paul.
"1 Corinthians 15:23-28 "the Son also himself be subject unto him" "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUPtBxnV2hM
Hope you find the video edifying.
Brenda, it is exactly as you have said, with Jesus all things are possible and nothing is impossible for everyone who believes.
In regards to that I also would have many testimonies and I know that many more will come because we believe in the all powerful God the Lord Jesus Christ.
What would be the point of believing if nothing ever happen?
What would be the point of speaking to the wind and storm if it doesn't obey me? Or the mountain and the mulberry tree etc.?
What would be the point of praying if our prayer bounces of the ceiling and no one listens?
What I'm trying to say is that believing is 'expecting with result' so that our word will not return void but accomplish what it is designed for.
Paul
Joseph;
The Lord Jesus has not given everyone that kind of revelation and insight into His Word as He has given to you. Many mighty men of God wished to be able to see what you see and could not.
Remember that nothing which is of the Lord is ever wasted on the deaf and the blind, to them it has not been granted to hear and see, they are still dead in their sins and trespasses and need to be born again, but the spiritual food (the manna from heaven) is for the saved, the born again children of God.
As you speak the Word of God it shall go forth and shall not return void but accomplish what it is designed for, and every child of God will listen and hear, they may argue for a time because of those false teachers and preachers who taught them lies, but the Lord of glory Jesus Christ will lead them into all the truth and He will not fail.
As long as you preach the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone to be 'Lord' you cannot fail and nobody will be able to stand before you.
Also, I find it helpful to know and remember that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities in the realm of the spirit. By that I mean, that we are aware of every trick and lies of Satan and that we will expose his ways, lies and deceptions openly for all men to see, hear and take heed.
Brother, we are not looking for the praises of men but the praises of our Lord and God Jesus Christ, 'well done good and faithful servant enter into my rest'.
Kind regards
Paul
Amen Brother Paul, thank you.
May the LORD Jesus bless you with those things you are in need of for his glory...
Much love to you Paul.
I drop a comment each time I like a article on a blog or I have something to contribute to the discussion.
It is a result of the fire displayed in the post
I read. And on this post "The TRINITY is the hallmark of the APOSTASY!".
I was moved enough to drop a leave a responsea response :
-) I actually do have 2 questions for you
if you don't mind. Is it simply me or do some of the responses appear like written by brain dead individuals? :-P And, if you are posting on other places, I'd like to follow you.
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Anonymous;
No I'm not!
Hi Paul,
just scanned the comments again and where you say 'it troubles me immensely when most so called Christians claim that they know God and don't know His Name and neither do they know who He is, they claim to be saved because they have joined a church-denomination and believe a doctrine and perhaps said a sinners prayer', I would say not to forget that when Daniel was in Babylon he refused to eat at the kings table and his actions were a wonderful testimony which proved itself through his faithfulness to only eating the 'food' of the Jews. Wherever people are amongst teachers of false doctrines I believe there will also be 'Daniels' placed there by God, who will be a witness to the truth, and His word cannot go out and return void to Him. Even the king of Babylon came under God's discipline.
Yes Brenda, Daniel was a mighty man of God with a great testimony. But remember that Daniel was among the pagans in Babylon and I do not have a problem with the world and the unbelievers, I have a problem with the so called Christians who claim to know God and don't know His Name and preach another god, a god I do not know.
Men who set themselves up as pastors, bishops, reverend and leaders of so called Christian Churches leading the children of the Lord away from the true God Jesus Christ to another god whom they call father.
Daniel met the same God the Lord Jesus Christ just as I did and he never preached that God is three persons in one God. Daniel did not know the Lords Name in his day because His Name was not revealed then, but I and all those who are born of Him know His Name, the most wonderful Name 'JESUS' and every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is the only true God and eternal life and beside Him there is no other.
Brenda, Please see for yourself and ask your pastor and the elders what Gods Name is, but do not give them a leading question, perhaps quote Jesus who said ... 'Our Father who art in heaven holy be thy Name'... and then ask what is the Name of God who is holy?
Most will say Jehovah, I Am, Yahweh, God, Elohim and sometimes El Shaddai. That is because of this satanic trinity deception which has polluted the hearts of well meaning Christians. The problem is among the leaders and preachers in all denominations who do not speak against this teaching, even though some know that this teaching is dangerous and not true, yet they are silent.
Paul,
there were many Jews that were carried to Babylon with Daniel who ate the Babylonian food. The church is God's Israel and I see much of the church today in a Babylonian state,and in much confusion. When I go to a church gathering I simply treat it as that, a gathering. The only authority that anyone has is carried within the word of God that they bring. I do not necessarily assume that a 'pastor' always speaks the word of God as many 'pastors' are appointed by man. It is God who makes some apostles, some prophets, some pastors, some teachers etc., and i am not aware that He tells any of them to wear a title. Also Rev.ch.5 v.10 says 'And hast made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth' but I am reminded that there were good kings and bad kings in Israel, so I am reminded that even those within God's church are not necessarily doing as God would have them do. If we only eat the food given to us by God, and do as He instructs us, then it will have an impact wherever we may be taken to by Him because His word cannot go out and come back void to Him. If it does not then we may be told to 'shake the dust off our feet' and move on. We must follow the Lord wherever He goes and not be defiled by 'women' (those who say 'We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name;') The scriptures are discerned spiritually, and many in allowing false doctrine to overule God's word are eating their own food, not the word of God, wearing their own clothes, not the robe of righteousness found in Jesus, but wanting to be called by Jesus Christ's name, as in Christian.) God has a wonderful way of working through His people and that is why we have all been given gifts to build one another up in Him. The enemy was a liar from the beginning and the truth of God's word is light that has the power to remove darkness.
What I am trying to say in my last comment Paul is that there are many scriptures that portray something when linked, just as Isaiah ch.4 v.1 spiritually portrays the seven churches in Revelation which are an apt description of the spiritual state of the whole of God's church.
Brenda,
You are spot on! And I like your insight into these matters, very rare indeed among Christians today.
I think that you must have an excellent teacher who taught you well, perhaps the same teacher as I have Jesus Christ our Lord :-} isn't He just marvelous!
May the Lord Jesus bless you richly as He already does.
Paul
Hi Paul,
yes there is only one Teacher isn't there. I know He uses people to teach within His church but that teaching has to originate from Him. Just like the moon has to reflect the light of the sun and has no light of it's own we as the church have to, whether it be as a witness to the world or using whatever gift God gives us within the church, reflect the light of Jesus Christ. In saying that, I acknowledge that we have to stay loving and kind, not keeping a record of wrongs, as God is to us, as everyone has weaknesses and the Lord is very longsuffering and forgiving with me in my weaknesses. And yes, our lovely Lord Jesus is marvelous. God bless you Paul.
You're a false teacher.
Was Jesus schizophrenic when he prayed to the Father (see Luke 22:39-46, John 11:41-43, all of John 17)? Are you also denying the Holy Spirit's deity?
What about the Baptism of Jesus? If the Father is not the Son, who was speaking in Matthew 3:17? Who did Jesus see descending on Him in 3:16?
The author should repent of His denial of the Father. (How would you explain John 16:3 or John 20:17?)
Unknown;
Are you saying or thinking that God is a few people?
Are you saying that the Lord Jesus is not the Lord God the Almighty?
Or are you saying that one god is praying to another god?
Or perhaps one god who is a dove descending upon another god standing in the water and a third god speaking from the clouds?
Unknown; I hope that you are more intelligent than that!
If you really would have given some thought, you would have come to a proper understanding about that. But I think that you have fallen pray to this satanic teaching that God is a few people called the gods, and of course the devil will tell you that all those people are one God.
Just for your record, it wasn't Jesus who saw the Spirit descending upon Himself, that was for John the baptist and for you and I to see on whom the Spirit remains, He is the one we ought to believe.
Nowhere in the entire Bible God appeared to Jesus Christ, because the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty therefore there was no other to appear.
If you point a finger to me to be a false teacher, remember that there are three fingers that are pointing back to you and I think that it is you who ought to repent of denying the Lord our God Jesus Christ to be our Father (John 14:7, John 14:9, Isa. 9:6 etc.).
Paul, this is Laymond, I tell you this because I will sign in as anonymous. Could you give us your thoughts on the book of Revelation, especially the first verse, just who is it talking about ?
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Hi Laymond, I'm glad to hear from you, it's been a long time from last.
When you sign in as anonymous, please leave a mark, an L or something so I can differentiate between other anonymous.
The book of Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ our Lord. It is the revealing of the work of Jesus Christ throughout all history, past, present and future so that all believers do not need to walk in darkness but in the knowledge of Jesus Christ the Lord.
The book of Revelation is NOT a futuristic book as some may think, or a so called end-time prophesy, a doomsday event prior to the second coming of the Lord.
Rather, it describes and tells us of all the events and workings of Jesus Christ on earth and in heaven at this present time and in time past and what soon must take place for each individual and all generations till we have been taken up by the Lord. (By heaven, I mean the realm of the spirit)
The book of Revelation is a spiritual book describing natural and spiritual events, but it is only understood by the Spirit of God who has made His abode in us, and anyone who has not received the Spirit of the Lord does not belong to God and understands nothing.
(Revelation 1:1)
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass:and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John." (KJV)
What does it mean? Some might say, it means what it says! Correct, I agree with that.
But does it mean that one big God gave the Revelation to another God and he then sent an angle to tell John? Or this unknowable God whoever He might be gave the Revelation of Jesus Christ to Jesus Christ, and he in turn sent an angel to give that Revelation to John and so on?
Sounds weird, doesn't it?
Who is that God who gave the Revelation?
And who is this Jesus Christ who sends angels?
Is God the true God, or is Jesus Christ the true God, or are both true gods?
If you believe that both are true gods, then you believe in two gods and you need to repent, or you will suffer the plagues written in that book.
Because Rev.1:1 is the Revelation of Jesus Christ therefore you first must have the revelation that this God of Rev.1:1 is the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the only true God and eternal life (1 John 5:20 + Jude 1:25 + Jude 1:4 + Rom. 9:5) and the Alpha and the Omega who is and was and is to come (Rev.1:8) and that beside the Lord Jesus there is no other God (Isa.43:10).
Jesus Christ is the center of the entire Bible and of everything, He is the governor and controller of everything and all Revelation is from Him, by Him and through Him. If any men fail to see that, to them Revelation is no revelation at all but speculation.
So then, Revelation 1:1 is metaphorical language just like most of the book of Revelation to convey natural things in a spiritual language and the blessing is only for them that has eyes to see and ears to hear and understands to heed to the words written in this book (Rev.1:3).
Kind regards
Paul
Paul, when I speak with you, you always leave me a nugget
that arouses my curiosity.
(By heaven, I mean the realm of the spirit)
Do you believe heaven to be a tangible, place or just another dimension, that surrounds this one, and do you believe that dimension can be contacted from our own? Do you believe that Jesus meant he was that portal by which we could enter, when he said I am the way.? interesting conversation, I know it has nothing to do with "the trinity" as you know I to believe that is a false teaching, but for different reasons.
LEM
"The Lord Jesus is the Father of the Lord Jesus "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr1GZxhiuDc&lc=LlVjXnhh_EGYmQolL59q5Qd1Mo-snrPJfTTYa5xEEHg
Lord bless you Brother Paul!
No Laymond,I do not see that heavens dimension can be contacted from our own.
That sounds to much like spiritism.
I see heaven is the place where we are seated (Eph.2:6), the place in the spirit from where we speak and communicate with the Lord, learn, function, judge, overcome and casting down strongholds and wrestle against satanic powers and principalities etc.
Yes Laymond, I believe, know and understand that Jesus meant He was that portal by which we could and must enter.
He is the only WAY and there is no other way, remember He said that 'narrow is the way and only few are those who find it, and I am the door and any man has to enter by me'.
Here you can see that the way is so narrow on the one hand and on the other hand it is so easy that even children can enter.
But the wise and the intelligent look anywhere else and will search the Scriptures and think that in them (the Scriptures) they have eternal life, but forgetting that the Scriptures speak of Jesus and yet they still are unwilling to come to Jesus just like little children so that they may have eternal life.
Laymond, I know that you don't believe in the trinity and that is good but not good enough, you still believe in another god whom you call Jehovah. Any other god apart from the true God the Lord Jesus Christ is the devil, therefore not believing in the trinity is no advantage to you, you still are in darkness.
That is serious! and please don't rest until you have sorted that out and don't worry what anyone thinks or says, it is between you and my God the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm here for you any time and please feel free to ask any question you like.
Lots of loving kindness
Paul
Wow Joseph, my heart continually rejoiced throughout all that video clip.
You are so spot on!
This kind of preaching is so much needed in this apostate world and I am greatly encouraged that the Lord Jesus has raised up men of God like you without compromise and without diluting the Word of God.
May the Lord Jesus bless you richly.
Paul
I am encouraged by a like minded soldier of Christ who holds the Law of the Father above all things as I do my self..Glory to the King!
As it is in heaven so it shall be in earth:
Isaiah 45:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Revelation 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
Lord Jesus Christ bless YOU Paul.
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Laymond, I have visited your two blog sites, LEMCO and the Road to Jerusalem) with titles, 'The Law Of Moses.....' and 'Worship WHO!' with the comments turned off.
What you are saying on both of your posts is just not true.
You are explaining everything from the natural, from the flesh of your own mind.
That seriously troubles me!
I think that you desperately need to seek the Lord Jesus about that.
I know that you are well read and have a good knowledge of the Scriptures but without understanding.
Laymond, I'm deeply concerned about your spiritual state.
My intention is not to convince you to change a doctrine, but rather that you enter through the narrow door Jesus Christ, as I said in my previous comment to you.
Once the Lord Jesus has made his abode in you then He will lead you into all the truth and we will be in agreement.
You know that I am not against you, but for you, and I think that no one else will tell you plainly for fear of insulting you, and rightly so, the gospel is an insult to all who are perishing.
Please do not reject me for saying that, I am here for you any time.
Lots of brotherly love
Paul
"True believers worship God IN spirit & truth: The Word"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFuPYnWcXt8
God bless you brother Paul.
Our Heavenly Father has not given me a clear way of explaining it in terms that can be naturally understood, but He has made it quite clear to me that we should not think of Him and His only begotten Son and His Holy Spirit as being separate individuals. For they are One and the same with each other. Therefore, any reference to one of them should also be a reference to the other two, and it the work of the devil to get us to think of them as being separate individuals--especially in regards to being actually afraid of God, the Father while thinking of Christ Jesus (God, the Son) as being on our side.
Thanks Jerry for your comment.
In your explanation I can see a big confusion with many gods.
Jerry, if the Father is NOT the Son and the Son is NOT the Holy Spirit, then you certainly believe in three gods no matter what you say.
You said, "For they are One and the same with each other."
Do you mean a few happy god-people are one in agreement with each another?
No Jerry, I think you are a lot smarter than that, you have received a false spirit who tells you that next to Jesus is another person who is also a God and both of them make up one God.
You said, "Therefore, any reference to one of them should also be a reference to the other two."
Please tell me again, in how many gods do you believe?
Well Jerry, you seriously have to deal with that deception, or this satanic lie will undermine your faith in the true God Jesus Christ our Lord (1 John 5:20).
In the Bible there isn't such a term as 'God the Son'.
To us there is only one God and that is the Father (1 Cor. 8:6) and beside Him there is no other, and that Father is the Lord Jesus Christ alone (John 14:7-9) and before Him no God was formed and neither shall there be one after Him (Isa. 43:10).
That is serious and please do not sweep that under the carpet so to speak.
There is a warning from the Lord Jesus, (John 8:24) 'If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins'.
Kind regards
Paul
Yes, my dear Paul, when trying to think in physiological terms, there would have to be three separate Gods, but in Spiritual terms, there is no distinction--let alone a true separation between them.
The one exception to that occurred when Christ Jesus paid the price in full for all of our sins. For in order to do that, He had to actually Spiritually die, and for the short time (mere minutes in our perception of time) He was truly separated from our Heavenly Father and His Holy Spirit, They were all in greater agony than what we can even start to naturally comprehend--be assured.
Jerry, the Lord Jesus is physical and Spiritual, He is God clothed in flesh just as much as He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Father and the Son.
Jesus and the Father are NOT two!
Remember, the Lord Jesus said, "I and the Father are ONE (John 10:30)", consequently 'HE' is not two and neither is HE a 'THEY'.
More than one is plural 'THEY', and He is certainly not three persons in one God.
You said, "The one exception to that occurred when Christ Jesus paid the price in full for all of our sins. For in order to do that, He had to actually Spiritually die, and for the short time (mere minutes in our perception of time) He was truly separated from our Heavenly Father and His Holy Spirit, They were all in greater agony than what we can even start to naturally comprehend--be assured."
Jerry, this is just NOT TRUE !
A Spirit cannot die, and God is Spirit (John 4:24).
For God to die on the cross He first needed a body (Jesus Christ of Nazareth).
Death does not mean annihilation, but rather 'separation'.
On the cross Jesus Christ was separated, the body from the Spirit and that is called 'death', just the same as when you and I die, we will be separated, the body from the spirit which is called death.
I am assured, I do naturally and spiritually comprehend all that, plus more.
Because you believe in more than one God, therefore you should repent of any other gods and ascribe the fullness of God to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
No Jerry, there is no way you can sneak out of that dilemma.
You have broken the first and foremost of all the commandments of the Lord our God Jesus Christ (Exod. 20:3 and Mark 12:29).
Yes I know that the word 'REPENT' is a dirty word among Christians to day and not many will take heed to the call of the Lord.
Again, lots of brotherly love Paul.
Yes, my dear Paul, it is quite clear that one of us is indeed in great need of repentance, and it may very well be me. May it happen before it is too late.
By the way, what are we to make of 1 Corinthians 15:28? For it is written: However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to (the Father) Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all (be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life). {1 Corinthians 15:28 AMP}
Thanks Jerry for saying that.
Not many Christians can say that, only those with a contrite heart before the Lord.
I pray that the Lord Jesus will give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God which is Christ Jesus our Lord and 'only God' (Jude 1:25).
The Scripture is not complicated to understand, it is written so that every born again believer can understand it and those who are not born from above cannot understand the Scriptures, they are foolish to them.
Jerry, if you look to Jesus and only to Jesus and do not look to the left or to the right but let your gaze be fixed on the Lord Jesus Christ, then it is impossible for you to fail, or be wrong, or go astray, or lack on understanding or wisdom and you will never perish. More so, you will have life and life abundant and the Lord will give you the crown of life and you will eat the hidden manna of God.
(1 Cor. 15:28)
First, the natural man has a natural thinking and he cannot understand the things of the spirit.
He always will think and believe that there is a big God called 'the Father' who had a son just as you or I would have a son. So He 'God' sent His Son to earth to do a job and (conquer His enemies v. 26) and because the Father is God therefore His Son must also be a God and He (the big God) then puts all His enemies under the feet of His Son, who apparently is also a God but not so powerful as His Father and when all that is completed, only then would the Father and the Son together be all in all (v. 28) perhaps a happy God – family. etc. etc.
Now, the spiritual man understands (1 Cor. 15:28) correctly.
First, the spiritual man knows the Lord Jesus and believes His Word the Bible.
He believes that God is only one person and that is the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20 and Rom. 9:5).
When Jesus and the Bible speaks about the Father, it always is metaphorical (John 16:25).
He believes that Jesus Christ has no Father (Hebr. 7:3) but 'IS' the Father (John 12:45 and 14:9 and Isa. 9:6 etc.).
He believes that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17 and John 4:24) and clothed Himself with flesh and is 'CALLED' the Son of the most high God (Luke 1:35). He is not the Son of another person called Father, but rather God became a man Jesus Christ of Nazareth who walked among us as the only begotten Son of God full of grace and truth and we beheld His Glory.
In the light of that and more we understand (1 Cor. 15:28) to be a metaphorical explanation and illustration of the transferral of power (v. 24) from the Spirit to the man, in the case of Jesus, the 'God-man'.
(v. 28) when the Holy Spirit has completed His work in the God-man first and also in us, then God may be all and in ALL.
Remember it is talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ and and OUR resurrection from the dead and please read the rest of it.
It's just so great and wonderful! I could write pages after pages about that.
Enough for now, Paul
So, my dear Paul, when Christ Jesus sacrificed Himself to pay the price in full for all of our sins, it was a sacrifice of the flesh that He had taken upon Himself? Subsequently, when He was resurrected, it was the physical body that He had taken upon Himself that was raised from the dead? Furthermore, when it is mentioned in Scripture that Christ Jesus sits on the right side of the Lord God Almighty's throne in Heaven, it is actually referring to the man Christ Jesus took the form of when He walked among us in the flesh, and it will be that man who will subject himself to God after everything in this world is accomplished?
Yes brother, that's basically OK.
You said, "it was a sacrifice of the flesh that He had taken upon Himself?"
I'm not sure what you mean by that?
I see that the Lord Jesus has sacrificed (given, or laid down) His 'LIFE' in order that we might have life, it is an exchange.
And the punishment which was due to us fell upon the Lord (His body) and by His stripes we are healed.
The separation is the Spirit from the flesh called death, and the punishment is in the body (flesh), even nailed to the cross.
A spirit cannot be punished, only a body (flesh) can receive punishment. We are created in God's image, which is spirit (John 4:24), soul (Isa. 1:14) and body (Jesus) in the likeness of our Lord Jesus, and for that reason God was born into His own creation, a thing to be grasp.
The rest of your comment is OK, as long as you eliminate in your heart, and your thinking and in your testimony the possibility that there could be ' ANOTHER' identity also God.
Is the Lord Jesus seated at the right hand of another ?
Is the Lord Jesus praying to another?
On the cross, was the Lord Jesus speaking to another? Etc. etc.
Trinitarians teach that there is 'ANOTHER'!
I understand every flavour of this satanic doctrine the trinity and the Lord Jesus has commissioned me to expose this doctrine and to strike it at the roots. For many years I have been posting against this doctrine in one way or another.
Jerry, as for you, the Bible says that the anointing you have received will teach you, and you do not need anyone to teach you (1 John 2:27), the Holy Spirit which abides in you will teach you all things and lead you into all the truth, and He also will tell you that my testimony is true and I do not lie.
Kind regards
Paul
Well, my dear Paul, I must admit that I am still reeling somewhat from having it cleared up for me. For I recognized some serious deviations, but I did not realize just how serious a situation Oneness (or Pentecostal Oneness) truly is until being told by our Heavenly Father that the Oneness Jesus is as different from the true Jesus Christ as the Jehovah Witness' and Mormon Jesus' are. In fact, he resembles the Jehovah Witness' Jesus the most of all. For their Jesus was also not God. Yes, Oneness skirts that issue by claiming that a true name for God is Jesus, but the rest is awfully close--is it not? Speaking of such, I have also had a few thoughts about Oneness being a revival of Gnosticism, but I have not pursued the finding of anymore information about that yet. (There are times when our Heavenly Father will tell us just enough to encourage as many as will to want to hunt for more, and those thoughts about Oneness and Gnosticism really did pique my interest.) Perhaps you could help me with that?
I'm sorry Jerry, but I don't know what the Oneness or (Pentecostal Oneness) believe or their doctrines.
Do they believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and beside Him is no other?
Jehovah Witnesses don't believe that, they believe that the Lord Jesus is the son of another person called God whose name is Jehovah.
Also I'm sorry, I don't know much about Gnosticism either.
You know, I have a simple faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and I can tell you everything about Him and I fully trust in His Word (the Bible).
Paul
Okay, my dear Paul, if the spirit cannot be punished, please explain to me what the second death, as specifically mentioned in Revelation 20:11-15 and Revelation 20:9, is all about?
As you know that the book of Revelation is the most debated book of the Bible.
To me it is a book of symbols and metaphors explaining natural and spiritual realities past, present and in time to come. I do not see Revelation to be a futuristic book as many Christians think, a so called end time event of doom prior to the second coming of the Lord.
I see revelation right in front of my eyes and wherever I look. Any man or woman must be born again by the Spirit of God to see it and believe it.
The first death is the death which all have inherited from the sin of Adam, or more specifically from Eves sin, and the second death is the death by which we all will die.
Well brother, from here it gets a little complicated and we need a good understanding of the Scriptures and of the plan and workings of the Lord Jesus Christ in His creation.
As you know that in Adam all have died and all those who were in Christ before the foundation of the world had to become born again, or to be made alive because they were the children of God.
Now the children of Satan will never be born again, they will never see life, but remain in death and will be judged according to what they have done (Revelation) their second death.
But that is NOT so with the children of God, they have received eternal life as a free gift and they will never die again (otherwise it is not eternal), so when their body goes to the grave which is also called death but that death has no sting, it is rather a transformation into a new body (a resurrection body), and neither will they be judged because the Lord their God Jesus Christ had been judged on their behalf on the cross (double jeopardy).
In Revelation, judgement, punishment and death is for the wicked, Satan's children 'the second death'.
Keep in mind, they are not held in a Purgatory for a future time to be judged, no, they are judged right in front of your eyes, if you have eyes to see and ears to hear.
When the dead are judged, then it is not the living but the dead that are judged. Now look at the great white throne and who do you think is seated on it?
By the way I have read your post' The MINISTER and the CRACKERHEAD', excellent post brother, you have put a lot of thought into it.
I don't like to criticise such good posts, but I hope you grant me a small critic, perhaps it is for an adjustment in a future post.
The Crackerhead didn't tell the Minister who the 'Heavenly Father' is and neither did he tell him His Name.
This is the problem we are talking about here in our conversation.
And another small adjustment is the doctrine of salvation unto life 'to be born again'. I think that needs to be trimmed a little. :-)
Again my brother, lots of loving kindness
Paul
Thanks for reading some (all?) of The Minister and The Crackerhead, my dear Paul. What has been recently published on The Trib is a slight reworking of the book, which was first written several years ago. It is meant to continue what was started in the last two crumbs/chapter of The Crackerhead Chronicles, and the next book in line on FishHawk Droppings goes into greater detail. I think you may find Chapter III of Bittersweet Refinements of particular interest. As with the first two books, Bittersweet Refinement is due some reworking, but I think it is understandable enough as it now is.
http://fishhawkdroppings.blogspot.com/2009/10/bittersweet-refinements-chapter-iii.html
Fishhawk droppings blogspot, 'A Term Of Endorsement'.
You said!---- and by that I mean; because you posted that on your blog, therefore I assume that is what you believe.
You said, "No, I cannot explain how that is possible----certainly not in physiological terms".
(talking about the trinity or God is more than one).
Yes Jerry that's right! You cannot explain that God is three persons in one God, NOT physically, NOT spiritually and NOT intellectually.
Simply, because it's NOT---TRUE!
The Lord our God is ONE! (Mark 12:29 and Deut. 6:4) and not two!
Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty alone, He does NOT share deity with another.
The doctrine 'GOD' is the most important doctrine which is far above all other doctrines, and anyone who errs on that doctrine is most likely wrong on all other doctrines of the Bible.
You also said, "Tragically, our Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit is generally left out of the equation."
Jerry, our heavenly Father hasn't got a Holy Spirit, He 'IS' the Holy Spirit (John 4:24).
He is the Holy Spirit who came upon Mary and the Son to be born is CALLED the Son of the most High God Jesus Christ our Lord and God (Luke 1:35).
Please consider carefully what the Lord is saying.
Paul
Jerry,
doesn't your last comment regarding working on your book indicate that you are still learning, as are all others?
Yes, my dear Paul, I do believe what was contained about the Trinity in A Term of Endearment, as well as what I have been given to leave as comments in this thread. The reason why I believe it is on account of what has been personally revealed to me about it by our Heavenly Father. Therefore, since what you insist has been personally revealed to you is almost completely different, one of us is being taught by a demon or maybe even the devil himself. Again, may the necessary repentance happen before it is too late.
Whoa, what a minute. Since you have already indicated that you do not consider the contents of the Book of Revelation in the same way as I do, I am curious about what you have to say about what the unrepentant may be too late for. So, if you don't mind, please tell me or at least leave the URL to something you may have previously published on the subject.
Yes brother, I know that you believe that, and that troubles me immensely.
If you have started with the Lord Jesus Christ, then why do you go to another and call the other 'Heavenly Father'? (Jer. 3:19)
Look Jerry, the whole world is calling that 'other' which is Satan their "Heavenly Father", in fact they boldly call him 'Holy Father the Pope', the man of sin (2 Thes. 2:3-11), a title which belongs to Jesus Christ only and is forbidden to use (Mat. 23:9-10).
They ALL, and I mean ALL believe the lie (2 Thes. 2:11). They will not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only God and Father and creator of heaven and earth, but introduce another to take the place of the Lord Jesus Christ and call Satan their Heavenly Father. In the spirit Satan is called 'Heavenly Father' and in the flesh Satan is called 'the Holy Father' the Pope.
As the next Pope the Antichrist is chosen you will see how all the universal catholic people (called the sea) will honor, praise and worship the Pope of Rome the man of sin who exalts himself in the place of the Lord Jesus as the Holy Father. Perhaps you might see that it is also written in the Book of Revelation.
The Holy Spirit has made His abode in us for the purpose to magnify, glorify and testify ONLY to the Lord Jesus Christ just as I do or better and any spirit who demotes the Lord Jesus and introduces another is the spirit of Satan.
Jerry, I have not posted anything specifically on the book of Revelation, although anything I say is from the Scripture and confirmed in the book of Revelation, that's why in most of my posts I quote Revelation.
The book of Revelation is a prophecy, and a prophecy which is not applicable for us now is useless, and it would have been useless to all the Saints who walked with the Lord before us throughout all the centuries.
Because I see 'Revelation' NOW', therefore I see the 'unrepentant' being judged in great tribulation, destruction, intense suffering and calamities in the earthquakes, tsunami in Japan, Indonesia, Haiti, the wars in Africa, Libya, Syria etc. etc. The Lord unleashes the plagues of cancers, leukemia, aids, mental torments, malaria etc.etc. Further more He will strike their children dead in car- accidents, deep depressions, drug overdose and suicide and whatever else.
Their destruction is clearly seen by all and even then, they still WILL NOT repent, but curse the Lord and only saviour.
So then, when you hear the Word of the Lord, do not harden your heart as the Israelites did in the wilderness of sin and unbelief, but yield and repent and turn back to your TRUE heavenly Father the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth who has bought you with the currency of His blood from the dominion of Satan to be His own possession.
May I say it again, lots of brotherly love
Paul
Paul,
Respectfully, I see where you are going and why you feel that way about the Trinity. Also respectfully, I do disagree with your assessment. Some small points about your post:
I do not split my allegiance. The three to me are all the same but they have separate purposes if you will. Such as sometimes I need my wife as a comforter. Sometimes I need her as a lover. Sometimes I need her as friend. She is still th same woman. My allegiance is to her but she responds in different ways according to my needs. So I believe God is One. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God. Not different Gods, the same.
So, as promised to you, but a little later than was hoping I posted on my site why I feel there is a Trinity.
Take care and hope to hear from you my brother.
I believe in the trinity in as far as it is one God who works among men in three different ways not three different persons. There is only one God as the bible so plainly tells us. He makes himself known to us in three ways. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All are the same and all are evident in the person of Jesus. The bible also tells us that God is a spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. The spirit could not hang on a cross and die for us in spirit form so he took on the form of a man. Jesus was fully God and fully man but without the sin nature that infects all other men. The Holy Spirit is God as he indwells those whom He has saved. God could not indwell us in the form of a physical body so He does so in the form of His Holy Spirit. The Bible is the infallible, inerrant, indisputable word of God and it plainly teaches that the one true living God presents Himself to mankind in the form of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! It is not three individual gods but One God that makes Himself known in three ways. Just as I am one person but to my wife I am a husband to my son I am a father and to my father I am a son. I cannot be know to my son as a husband or to my wife as a son or to my father as a father. I preform a different duty in each of these rolls. It is the same principal with God. We know him as Father, Son and Holy spirit. Each is just a different way through which the One God works in our lives. God bless and keep you.
Excellent explanation brother Kevin, but remember that the trinity teaches that God is in three persons.
Therefore you should separate yourself from claiming to believe in the trinity and denounce this non biblical doctrine.
You should not have one foot in each camp so to speak.
There is one more thing, you need to ascribe that 'God' to be the Lord Jesus Christ, or your testimony is useless.
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