The Trinity deception!
The Trinity teaching is the most powerful tool of Satan to deceive the nations. (Revelation 12:9 +20:7-8)
In teaching that God is three persons in one God, the Serpent or Satan who was craftier (Genesis 3:1) caused them to transgress the first commandment of the Lord Jesus.
I am the Lord your God and you shall have NO OTHER gods beside the Lord your God. (Exodus 20:38 + Matthew 22:38)
I am afraid, that as the Serpent deceived Eve so that you would be deceived to believe and teach that God is three persons in one God.
The doctrine of the Trinity is designed by Satan to derail the unsuspecting and slowly lead them away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another person who is also called a god. By believing that there is another person who is called ‘Father’ you have departed from the Lord your God Jesus Christ to another god and elevate him above the Lord Jesus.
Because of that doctrine, most Churches today put Jesus in their preaching as the second important person in their multiple persons of gods and adopted the so called ‘God talk’, where they avoid giving the Lord God His only one and proper name ‘Jesus’!
It is the epitome of all deception for an intelligent person to say that Jesus Christ is the Lord God and at the same time someone else another person called the Father is also God, and the two are one.
In their case the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor.4:4)
Trinitarians lie and deceive by saying, “the Lord thy God is THREE PERSONS”!
The Scripture says, “The Lord thy God is ONE”! (Mark 12:29)
Jesus Christ is the TRUE GOD and eternal life! (1 John 5:20)
Jesus said, if you do not believe that I AM HE, (the only one true God) you will die in your sin! (John8:24)
Jesus Christ said in Isaiah 44:8 did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God beside me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one!
V. 6+7 I am the first and the last; apart from me there is no God. Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Trinitarians are polytheists claiming to be monotheists. They believe the Serpent who said in Genesis 3:1 “DID GOD REALLY SAY” (that the Lord your God is one? Surely he has to be three persons), for the Bible points to three persons.
Yes it seems that the Bible speaks about three persons? That I will explain in the next post,’ Scripture passages explained’.
Paul wrote in (2Cor. 11:3), “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
In teaching that God is three persons in one God, the Serpent or Satan who was craftier (Genesis 3:1) caused them to transgress the first commandment of the Lord Jesus.
I am the Lord your God and you shall have NO OTHER gods beside the Lord your God. (Exodus 20:38 + Matthew 22:38)
I am afraid, that as the Serpent deceived Eve so that you would be deceived to believe and teach that God is three persons in one God.
The doctrine of the Trinity is designed by Satan to derail the unsuspecting and slowly lead them away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another person who is also called a god. By believing that there is another person who is called ‘Father’ you have departed from the Lord your God Jesus Christ to another god and elevate him above the Lord Jesus.
Because of that doctrine, most Churches today put Jesus in their preaching as the second important person in their multiple persons of gods and adopted the so called ‘God talk’, where they avoid giving the Lord God His only one and proper name ‘Jesus’!
It is the epitome of all deception for an intelligent person to say that Jesus Christ is the Lord God and at the same time someone else another person called the Father is also God, and the two are one.
In their case the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor.4:4)
Trinitarians lie and deceive by saying, “the Lord thy God is THREE PERSONS”!
The Scripture says, “The Lord thy God is ONE”! (Mark 12:29)
Jesus Christ is the TRUE GOD and eternal life! (1 John 5:20)
Jesus said, if you do not believe that I AM HE, (the only one true God) you will die in your sin! (John8:24)
Jesus Christ said in Isaiah 44:8 did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God beside me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one!
V. 6+7 I am the first and the last; apart from me there is no God. Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Trinitarians are polytheists claiming to be monotheists. They believe the Serpent who said in Genesis 3:1 “DID GOD REALLY SAY” (that the Lord your God is one? Surely he has to be three persons), for the Bible points to three persons.
Yes it seems that the Bible speaks about three persons? That I will explain in the next post,’ Scripture passages explained’.
Paul wrote in (2Cor. 11:3), “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
Add Your Comment(61)
The Trinity deception!Posted by Paul G Wednesday, March 12, 2008
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
61 Comments:
All you TRINITARIANS who claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ;
Let there be shame on you!
You are just like the Jehovah Witnesses who say that the true God is Jehovah and Jesus is only His Son.
What a great deception!
The only difference between you and them is that you are saying that Jesus is also God, just like His Father, (or with His Father).
Where is your saltiness??
Didn’t Jesus say that if the salt has lost its savor it is worthless!
Amen! Amen!
The Trinity Doctrine is indeed a deception.
There is a wonderful video on this subject at
The Human Jesus
However (BTW I am no JW) ...
the Scriptures do indeed teach that
YAHWEH is the true GOD and Jesus is His only-begotten Son.
To settle the whole matter, who did Jesus say was the only true God?
(John 17:1-3) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus identifies the Father as the only true GOD!
And Jesus always taught & identified himself as the Messiah, the Son of the ONE GOD!
In fact, let us look again at what Jesus said in ...
(Mark 12:28-32) And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Jesus confirms the monotheistic Jewish creed, the Shema.
It ought to be obvious then, that neither Jesus nor the scribe were trinitarian. Also, it ought to be obvious that the scribe did not believe that the man before him was Almighty GOD!!!
Jesus then after confirming who the ONE GOD YAHWEH is;
continues in Mark 12.35ff to reveal who he believed himself to be; and thus using Psalm 110.1; he identifies himself as the lord (the 2nd 'lord' in the text) that YAHWEH has foreordained & decreed to be at His right hand i.e.
"The LORD (YAHWEH) said unto my lord"
In our English Bibles, the word 'lord' appears twice.
The first denoting YAHWEH GOD ALMIGHTY, THE ONE GOD.
By definition then seeing that there is solely ONE GOD (& seeing that the trinity doctrine is indeed false);
the 2nd 'lord' cannot be Almighty GOD!!
Thus, the 2nd lord is
a) the man that was to one day sit at the right hand of the ONE GOD. This is now fulfilled.
(Acts 2:32-36) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted ... 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
b) One day, David as well as all mankind will call this glorified man, "Lord" to the glory of the ONE GOD
(Phil 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
So ...
There is only ONE GOD, the Father.
The man Christ Jesus, is the Son of GOD, the Son of the Father. [2 John 3]
Jesus of Nazareth obeyed the ONE GOD, even to the death of the cross; therefore the ONE GOD raised him from the dead, glorified him; made him both Lord and Christ, and set him at His right hand.
So there is ONE GOD, the Father &
ONE Lord, the man Messiah Jesus, the Son of GOD.
ONE GOD, ONE man
The Father is the ONE GOD
The Son is the Lord Messiah [Luke 2.11, Col 3.24],
the Son of the LORD GOD;
viz. the Lord Jesus Christ
(1 Cor 8:4) ... that there is none other God but one.
(1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Please watch the video & tell me what you think!
Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor
The Human Jesus
It is ironic don't you think paul?
That the only person who agrees with you about the Trinity is one who denys the deity of Jesus.
MDM
Adam Pastor;
Sorry, my internet was down, and still has some problems.
Thank you for the clip.
Many different groups of people correctly refute the trinity just as you have done.
But still you do NOT know the true God!
Your god is just like the god of the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Moslems, Jews and the Trinitarians; it is an unknowable god whom you call the Father.
However, we know this God; we proclaim His Name and person.
It is the person of the Lord Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the TRUE GOD and eternal life! (1 John 5:20) and there is NO OTHER!!
Please read the doctrine of the Father the Holy Spirit the Son.
Every doctrine, thought and testimony concerning God has to point to the Lord Jesus Christ and has to be fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.
Modern day magi;
Everyone who knows the Lord God and the Scripture testifies to Jesus Christ.
Everyone who does not know God testifies to someone else.
I know that you believe that Jesus Christ is God with another person called the Father by the name of Jehovah or Yahweh.
By believing that, you have fallen into the snare of the devil who has deceived the whole world to believe this lie.
Paul, I do indeed know who the TRUE GOD is.
Why? Because our Lord & Master, Jesus the Messiah identified him for us.
(John 17:1-3) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father ... 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus the Messiah, the ONE GOD's Son; clearly identifies the Father as the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD.
The apostle John isn't contradicting himself in
1 John 5:20.
1 John 5.20 NASB:
And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Hence, the true God has a Son.
That Son is Jesus Christ.
Hence, the true God is the Father.
Jesus, however, is the Son of the Father.
[2 John 3]
So, the Son of God, Jesus the Messiah; has given us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true [i.e. the Father]; and we are in Him who is true [i.e. in the Father], in His Son [i.e. and in the Father's Son,] Jesus Christ. This is the true God [Who? the Father] and eternal life.
Easy! Jesus said. John reiterates it.
The Father is the only true GOD.
And the church is both in the true GOD and in the true GOD's Son.
Jesus is not the true GOD.
Rather, he is the true GOD's Son;
he is the Son of the Father.
Adam Pastor;
You said; that Jesus is not the true God.
Interesting, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God,” and Jesus did not correct him.
Also when they worshipped Jesus, He never rebuked them.
You think that the TRUE GOD is the Father, another person than Jesus Christ.
Jesus said that no one knows the Father except the Son and him whom He (Jesus) chooses to reveal Him (the Father). (Matt, 11:27)
You claim that you know Him, even though Jesus said that NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER except the Son!
To me it sounds like Jesus never made the Father known to you. (John 17:26)
In (John 8:24) Jesus said, that if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.
That means that your sins are not forgiven because you believe NOT in the only one whom God has sent. (John 6:29)
By that I mean that God who is Spirit (John 4:24) did NOT send someone else another person, but rather the Spirit clothed Himself in flesh (Jesus Christ) so that you might believe that Jesus Christ is the true God and eternal life.
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. [Jesus Christ] and we are in him who is true [Jesus Christ]-even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Jesus is the TRUTH! (John 14:6) apart from Him there is no other truth.
Adam Pastor;
You said that the true God had a Son, and that Son is Jesus Christ. Hence the true God is the Father. Jesus, however, is the Son of the Father.
Numerous people view God just like you do. They think that God really had a Son just like you or I would have a Son a separate person or individual.
This however is not so!
Adam; God never had a Son!!
God is the Son!
God clothed Himself in flesh.
Jesus is Emanuel, God with us (Matthew 1:23).
God is the Alpha (the first) the Father, the Holy Spirit (John 4:24)
In (Rev.1:8) Jesus Christ is called the Alpha (the first) and the Omega (the last) meaning that God the Father clothed Himself in flesh and dwelled with us Jesus Christ Emanuel.
A Father is always before the Son.
A Son is never before the Father.
Jesus is the Father of all creation (John 1:1) and in Rev.1:8 He is the first and the last the Father and the Son, meaning that the Father and the Son is in the person of Jesus Christ just as He said in John 14:10-11.
Adam Pastor;
You said that the true God had a Son, and that Son is Jesus Christ. Hence the true God is the Father. Jesus, however, is the Son of the Father.
The issue isn't the fact that I said it.
The issue is the fact that Scripture says it!!
Does Scripture say that "the true God is the Father?"
Yes. John 17.1,3.
Does the Scripture say that "Jesus is the Son of the Father?"
Yes. 2 John 3.
Then you say ...
"Adam; God never had a Son!!"
"God never had a Son!!"
Well, Paul, if this is what you believe.
I have nothing more to say; except to leave these scriptural witnesses.
Adieu
(Mat 3:17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Mat 17:5) While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(Mat 16:16-17) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
(1 John 4:15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
(1 John 5:5) Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(2 John 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(1 John 5:9-11) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
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Adam Pastor;
We are not debating whether Jesus is the Son of God or not.
Most Churches, sects and cults like Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Trinitarians including you and me, all believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God!
What does that mean??
Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and you believe that Jesus is not the Lord God the Almighty; He is only a Son of the true God Jehovah.
Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Son of the first person of God Jehovah and therefore Jesus is the second person of God including the third person the Holy Spirit and all three persons are one God.
We believe that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God who was born through the Virgin Mary and in that sense Jesus Christ is called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35)
Yes it is true that the true God is the Father and that the Father is in the body of Jesus Christ. (John 14:10)
It is also true that the true God is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24) who came upon the Virgin Mary and is the Father of Jesus. (Luke 1:35)
So then, where is the Father??
Answer; the Father is in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself. (2Cor.5:19)
Always ONE person, ONE God, JESUS CHRIST!
Jesus Christ is the true God and eternal life (I John 5:20) and NOT someone else, another person!
Rom. 5:9 Jesus Christ is God over all!
Every knee ought to bow and every tongue confess, or declare (even your tongue) that Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty to the glory of God the Father!
And that is NOT to the glory of another person, it is to the glory of the Holy Spirit (the Father) who dwells in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
2 John 1:9.
Because I abide in the doctrine of Christ, I have both, the Father and the Son in the one God, the person of Jesus Christ.
And you have turned to another god and departed from the doctrine of Christ.
Adam Pastor;
You said; “Jesus confirms the monotheistic creed the Schema”
Yes, that is correct.
Jesus makes that clear that the Lord our God is one!
The question is 'WHICH ONE'?
The Moslems say it is 'Allah'.
The Jews say, that you cannot pronounce His Name 'YHWH' (Yahweh).
The Jehovah Witnesses and all cults and sects including you say 'Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, I AM' etc.
All the disciples of Jesus Christ including me, we say that this 'ONE GOD' it is the Lord Jesus Christ, God came in the flesh! (Emanuel)
Trinitarians are NOT monotheists; they are polytheist.
They lie and teach that each person is fully God and that all three persons together are one God.
Adam, there are too many religions and beliefs out there and all of them say that they believe that God is one. James 2:19 said, that even the demons believe that God is one and they tremble.
Unless you believe in the only one whom God has sent, that is in Jesus Christ alone, you have believed in vain.
The common mistake of all religious people is that they reject the cornerstone (Jesus Christ) and build upon the doctrine of other men and therefore Jesus becomes a rock of offence to them.
Paul,
I tell you what.
Watch the video ...
and then if you what to start a conversation with me;
we'll use any questionable points of the video that you may find, as a starting point. OK?
The Human Jesus
Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor
Adam Pastor;
I have seen the video ‘The Human Jesus’ and I will watch it again; there are some good points in it, but because you refute the trinity that does not make your teaching about God right.
You interpret the Scripture completely different than I. When the Bible speaks about God the Father and the Son, you and the Trinitarians say that they are two separate persons, I say that it is the Lord Jesus Christ one person.
I have posted the doctrine about God so that everyone can easily understand how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are in the ONE person Jesus Christ, and my testimony is true!
So I am not sure whether I want to engage in a debate about words or meaning of words.
Adam; I am not interested to win an argument, I rather lose an argument in order that I might win you and all Trinitarians for Jesus Christ alone.
My main aim is to combat the spirit behind every doctrine concerning the knowledge of God that is NOT in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is NOT from God. This is the spirit of Antichrist. (1 John 4:2-3
I will explain so that we will not have a misunderstanding.
All people acknowledge that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
No one has a problem with that statement; even the date on your watch will tell you that it is the 8. 4. 2008 after Jesus Christ who came in the flesh.
The problem we have is that you and your assembly do NOT believe that the Lord God the Almighty has come in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Therefore your assembly is governed by the spirit of Antichrist!
Ok Paul!
Thanks for watching the video.
And thanks for your time and comments.
Adieu
Adam Pastor:
The black man spoke the truth in your video at 11:43
The jews in all their beliefs about God will be in hell save those who have God revealed to them. "Not all Israel are Israel"
If you see the bible through Hebrew eyes you will be damned just as they are.
You must have Christ revealed from Heaven to you and those who have this happen with new eyes proclaim to Jesus Christ and none other.
"My Lord and My God"
Here is a post I did on those who hold the same beliefs as you:
They Never Told me This In Church
Peace be with you Paul, as well as with those able to read this message.
Indeed the trinity teaching is an abomination.
The time has come, the harvest is ripe.
Pass this message on to all fellow believers.
The Faithful Witness
Yes PB, I also think that the black man with the white hat is a believer in the Lord Jesus.
All the other speakers don’t know God; they teach that the true God is an unknowable person whom they call Jehovah.
Certainly the God of the Bible did not reveal Himself to them.
How true it is, that Christ must be revealed from Heaven.
Duke;
Thanks for agreeing with us.
If the trinity is an abomination as you said, then please tell us who the true God is?
The Jews and the Moslems believe in a God they do not know.
When God came in the flesh to His own (the Jews), they did not receive Him, but rejected and murdered Him.
But as many as received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God, children born not of natural decent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. (John 1:12-13)
Question;
Have you received Him (Jesus), or are you just like the Jews?
Are you born again by the will of God, or did you only join a Church to justify your religious conviction?
Peace be with you Paul.
You say:" When God came in the flesh to His own (the Jews), they did not receive Him, but rejected and murdered Him."
This is not true. Our Father sent His Son, the Redeemer, first to bring about salvation, and now to bring about judgment. Also, it is not the 'Jews' who rejected the Son of man, every person born into this world is guilty of crucifying the Son of man.
Our Father is Spirit.
" We know that Jesus Christ the Son of God has come and has shown us the true God. And because of Jesus, we now belong to the true God who gives eternal life."
1 John 5:20
The Faithful Witness
Duke;
Basically there are three core groups of doctrines.
(1) The Trinitarians;
They believe in three persons who are God. (Polytheists)
(2) The Unitarians;
Which are the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Adam Pastor and you, who believe in one God the Father Jehovah or Yahweh who sent another person Jesus Christ to bring about salvation and judgment as you said.
(3) The disciple of Jesus Christ;
We believe and claim that the person whom you call the Father (Jehovah) is the person of the Jesus Christ our Lord.
Duke, the God of the Bible is the Lord Jesus Christ!
If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord, then you believe in another god who is NOT the true God.
You should only worship the Lord our God Jesus Christ, and no other!
Concerning God; the word LORD always means GOD, and not land lord, or lord major.
A Faithful Witness always witnesses to the Lord Jesus Christ and Not to Jehovah, just as Jesus said, “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)
Peace be with you Paul.
It will be wise for you to knock on the door of The Believers Information Network.
There is only one Faithful Witness(see Revelation Chapter 1 verse 5).
The Faithful Witness
Duke(Yeshua)
Duke;
Yes that's right, there is only one faithful witness and that is the Lord Jesus Christ.
It would be good for you to be a witness for the Lord Jesus Christ and hopefully also faithful.
Duke; I suspect that you have been ensnared by the Unitarian doctrines.
Those doctrines are not true, they work very hard to remove the name of Jesus and turn it into the name 'Yeshua'.
The name of God is Jesus and NOT 'Yeshua'.
All unbelievers when they kick the toe, they blaspheme the name of Jesus and NOT 'Yeshua'.
Jesus said;
Narrow is the way and only few are those who find it. (Matthew 7: 14)
Questions;
Do you think that Jesus really means that only few are those who find it?
Are you one of those few?
How do you know whether you are one of those few who really found it?
Do you think, because you have been in a Bible college and pastoring a Church, you have found it?
How narrow do you think the way is?
What happens to those who think they found the right way, but really are on the wrong way?
The answers to the above questions are simple.
John 14:6.
Jesus said, "I am the way"!
If you do NOT believe in Jesus alone, then you are on the wrong way!
If Jesus is NOT your only true God, then you are on the wrong way!
If you do NOT know Jesus personally, then you do not know the way!
If you CANNOT see Jesus in all Scripture, then you cannot see the way!
If you are NOT born again by the Spirit of Jesus, then you cannot enter the way!
So then! If you want to be safe and secure and to be on the right way, then you must believe only in Jesus and be born again by the Spirit of God into the Church of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
Yes it is true that the way is narrow and only few are those who find it. There is no other way and no other name given whereby you must be saved!
Therefore enter through the narrow door, 'JESUS'.
Trinitarians, Jews, Moslems, Unitarians, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and all cults have one thing in common.
They do NOT believe that Jesus is Lord!
They all believe that there is someone else who is God.
To all Trinitarians;
Tell me! Which one of your three god-persons raised Jesus from the dead?
Was it the Father that raised Jesus from the dead? Gal. 1:1
Or was it the Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead? Rom. 8:11
Or was it Jesus who raised Himself from the dead? John 2:19
Or perhaps, all three persons gave each other a hand to raise Jesus from the dead??
You don’t have to look very far to see that the Trinity doctrine is an abomination to the living God the Lord Jesus Christ and a poisoned dart from Satan to every born again believer in Christ Jesus our Lord and God.
Since you did not answer the above questions, perhaps you might be able to answer this question.
In the Trinitarian pyramid triangle chart, (post picture).
Top of the triangle is the first person the Father.
Bottom left is the second person the Son.
Bottom right is the third person the Holy Spirit.
The Bible says that the Father of Jesus is the third person the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35
Tell me! If the third person is the Father of Jesus! Who then is the first person the Father of??
Perhaps in your Trinitarian economy Jesus has two Fathers?
All you Trinitarians say that the Jehovah Witnesses are NOT your brothers in Christ.
And yet you both claim that Jehovah is your spiritual heavenly Father!
So then, you should be brothers, because you both own Jehovah to be your heavenly Father!
I say that Jesus Christ is my spiritual Father, because I am born of Him.
And you claim to be my brothers in Christ and you disown Jesus Christ as your heavenly Father.
How then can you be my brothers in Christ, if you have a different spiritual Father?
The Scripture says that Jesus is the Son of David! (Matthew 1:1)
And also the Son of God! (Mark 1:1)
Jesus mostly calls himself the Son of man! (Matthew 8:20)
Jesus Christ, whose Son do you think he is?
Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit....
The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.
Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:
“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”
A New Testament example is James 2:19:
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”
The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:
“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”
The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).
The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:
“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”
Then there is the baptismal formula:
“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).
One name (God) — yet three names!
How confused some are. How sincere about each idea.
See this one,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=940031211059144703&ei=6-wjSvs0mr7aAvio9dAO&q=Gods+of+Babylon&dur=3
You'll have to copy and paste !
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There is another clear thing which is neither a 3 person trinitarian , nor any of the other doctrines I have read here .
It asserts there is One God .
One only who is what God is .
One who was out of God before all things.
That there is indeed a ' Holy Spirit'
That Jesus and God are one in spirit.
Now, is your spirit another person than you ?
How can God's spirit be another person?
There is a very fine distinction and the subtlest of all deceptions I ever knew of.
As if requiring a microscope to see the distinction.
The above link might help if any are patient to listen to all of it.
More can be found if Restitution Ministries are googled.
The ( false 3 person )Trinity is possibly the final deception.
Listen and then decide.
God Himself spoke about 3 times in the new testament.
God twice said at Jesus' baptism " My Son " and once on mount of transfiguration.
Does that mean it is important ?
Jesus once said that his father had revealed something , when Peter declared Jesus the only begotten Son - and that this "Rock" ws the foundation.
What did that mean ?
That there is One God and one only begotten Son.
Neither is this 'Binitarian' for God is God and Jesus is Son.
Neither does this demote Jesus for is any son less in nature or substance - or whatever theologists like to make a business amd career of ?
It is simple.
Far more simple.
Just listen.
I love how you use the name Jesus in replace of Yahweh when referencing Old Testament scripture. You are truly deceived. Who was Yahshua (Jesus) praying to, himself? Doesn't scripture say that the son does not know the hour of his return - only the Father knows. Isn't the son sitting on the right hand of the Father. Stop spewing your ignorance.
When Yahshua says he and his Father are one (the word "one" means untited)it is the same use to describe the union of a man and woman when they are amrried and become "one" flesh. They are 2 separate entities united in purpose, but they are not one being.
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I think it is time we start to believe the Bible simply because it is the Word of God. The Word says that God is ONE, so who are we to make Him two or three? Here is an interesting scripture in the New King James; Jesus is talking to Nicodemus and says: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." Trinitarian deceivers have omitted the last part of this scripture in John 3:13 which states 'who is in heaven', I recon, because it shows that Jesus was a man while on earth, while being the Father still. Being a man, Jesus was subject to every physical law that we are subject to. He could do nothing of Himself and had to walk in total obedience to the part of Himself in heaven whom He called 'Father' for OUR benefit, so that we could know how to relate to Him once ascended to heaven and not dwelling on earth with us in human form any more. The Bible teaches us that He had to be obedient in everything to God in heaven. Is that so strange to us? Does that make Him less than God? No. He was setting an example for us to follow. How else could He have done so? Jesus accepted worship. Only God should be worshiped.
Think about this... if God came down to earth in all His power, being omniscient, omnipotent, all powerful and omnipresent, would His sacrifice count? Would He have been crucified? Would we have been able to stand such a presence in our midst? Of course not! God had to become flesh in order to accomplish His purpose in reconciling fallen mankind with Himself!
Read the scriptures and ask Him to guide and teach you through His Spirit concerning Himself. Isiah 9:6 teaches us the names of the promised messiah: "For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. This, my friends is a prophesy about Jesus. Allow the scales of deception to be exposed and to fall from your eyes so that you can see Jesus Christ for who He truly is; Lord God Almighty! To do less might cost you the chance to be established in righteousness by Jesus in the day that He will judge.
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