Trinity's SIN !
But Trinity, you are having a
relationship with three men and you are transgressing the first
commandment of the Lord (Deut. 5:7).
Remember that the Lord has
espoused you to ONE husband (2 Cor.11:2) and not to three husbands as
you are, and because of your many lovers the Lord is calling you a
prostitute (Rev. 19:2). Yes I know, the word 'prostitute' is a
horrible word, but that is exactly what you are. If you would have
been faithful to ONE person (Rev. 14:12) then you wouldn't be called
a prostitute. But just that you know, your practice and teaching
comes from your mother (Rev. 17:5 etc.) which is the Catholic Church.
Before her, it was unheard and nobody ever believed, taught and
committed this abomination.
(Trinity responds)
Oh No! I do not have three husbands as
you say, but only ONE husband. You should speak to me in Psalms and
spiritual songs and not constantly accusing me of having three
husbands. Although it is true that I have a relationship with three
man, but those three man are are ONE husband and not three, it's kind
of hard to understand, but I don't have a relationship with three
husbands as you are always accusing me. Why don't you understand
that? I am just like you but see things in a different way to you.
All the Churches believe and teach that Tom, Dick and Harry together
are ONE husband and I am espoused to him alone (2 Cor. 11:2). My
husband who is three in ONE is a mystery and nobody can understand
that mystery including you.
Trinity, why then is it that you are
trying so hard to explain to me a mystery which nobody supposed to
understand? You call Tom, Dick and Harry your husband and say that
they are three persons yet one husband? Your lie is so blatant and
has been taught so long that even the elect is believing you.
Trinity, you being a woman or a bride,
how is it that you are teaching the men contrary to the Bible (1
Tim. 2:12) ? Is it because you are trying to seduce them to be also
your lovers?
Oh Trinity, Oh Trinity! Your sins are
many! how long have I reasoned with you, yet you always have refused
to listen to me, like a hyena you are gnashing your teeth at me and
stiffen your neck.
But look! What I have done to you and
continually are doing to you. I have filled all your Hospitals with
your converts and strike them with every curse and disease that are
written in the Book (Deut. 28:15-68).
I have taken your choice young
man to war and utterly destroyed them. In front of your eyes I strike
your children dead in accidents, suicide and drug overdose etc. (Rev.
2:23), and you are still unwilling to listen to me and repent of your
many adulteries. So I command the earthquakes to shake your
foundations and drive tidal-waves against you and to complete my
disgust I arouse the wind and the storm to destroy and remove
everything that you have. And if that is not good enough, I still
have one thing more to come, Oh Trinity! Don't you know that I can
read the innermost thought of your heart, you think that it is Paul
G. who is talking to you. Tell me, why is my language not clear to
you? And why is it that you do not recognise my voice?
Add Your Comment(115)
Trinity's SIN !Posted by Paul G Sunday, October 20, 2013
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
115 Comments:
Hi Paul,
you came into my mind this morning and I thought I would come over to your site and see if you had written another post. Just one question. In Deuteronomy ch. 28 v.15 - 'However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:', what commands do you say these words refer too - do you say it is the ten commandments? Also, I just wanted to mention the reason you came into my mind. I opened my Bible to read this morning and read Galatians ch. 1. I have 'the new Oxford annotated Bible' and I felt to underline these verses because it describes my initial relationship with the Lord. Vs. 11 and 12 'For I would have you know brethren that the gospel that was preached to me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.' Also I underlined vs. 15 - 16 'But when He who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son to me, in order that I might preach Him among the gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood,' I felt I could identify with these words because of my 'death' experience, and my not being taught by man, but being spoken to through the scriptures initially from Jeremiah ch. 1 vs 4 - 7 ' The word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,before you were born I set you apart;I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Alas, Sovereign Lord, I said, I do not know how to speak; I am too young. But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,” declares the Lord.' I know that you believe in pre - destination, so in a sense I do to a certain degree.
Hi Brenda, I always appreciate your thought, input and your love and zeal for the Lord.
The curses of (Deut,28:15...).
Yes Brenda, that is the ten commandments and all the ordinances of the entire Bible.
Within the ten commandments are all the ordinances included and therefore suitable for training in conduct and for correction in doctrine.
The Lord Jesus judges all men by those commandments and ordinances and everyone who transgresses them will be condemned according to the decree, that is because He is a JUST God and does not condemn anyone who upholds the Law and ordinances.
We all have sinned and sin is the transgression of the commandments therefore we all are guilty before the Lord and stand condemned.
However, we who are in Christ and born of the Spirit are new creations, old things have passed away and behold all things are new. The Law and the ordinances were fulfilled by Jesus and nailed to the cross in Christ Jesus our Lord, therefore the Law and the commandments do not speak to us any more but the Spirit who now lives in us and we will walk by that Spirit. Whosoever has not received the Spirit does not belong to the Lord (Rom. 8:9).
(Galatians 1:..... and Jer. 1:4-7) does clearly demonstrate the predestination of the Lord in your own personal live in Jesus Christ.
You said, ' in a sense you believe in predestination to a certain degree'. Well, I think that every believer deeeep in their hearts believe that.
If I may encourage you to further search out this amazing doctrine of predestination, I'm sure that you really will love that doctrine, especially if you can see it in all the pages of the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation.
This doctrine has a nick-name called ' the sovereignty of God'. At first it is a bit scary because it removes the WILL, the POWER and the CHOICE from man and gives it to the rightful owner Jesus Christ our Lord.
Once you can see it, it will give you an unshakable confidence in our Lord and a knowledge which is from above, that He causes you to do and to will everything according to His good pleasure.
I think that this doctrine can only be totally understood and given to you by the Lord Jesus, although I can help you through certain difficult passages through the Scriptures.
Because all Scriptures are spiritually discerned, they can launch us into greater heights where not many Christians dare to venture.
I always say, what a mighty God we serve!
To our only God Jesus Christ the Lord be glory honour and praise forever and ever.
I can not accept a 'doctrine' Paul, no matter where it comes from. I do believe that my relationship with the Lord has removed, and still is removing, the will, the power and the choice from me. Right now the words my father used to speak to me before he died when I was eleven have come into my mind when my brother and sisters used to argue and we would say 'Dad, dad who is right'. My father would always say 'Let's see what the Lord says', and would find some scripture, whether it was a proverb or some other scripture, that would always solve the argument. You don't know enough about my thirty years of knowing the Lord Paul to really understand my relationship with the Lord (and vice versa). Even what I put on my blog is a fraction of what has been in my life regarding that relationship. Anyway I believe everything has a purpose and the Lord knows what it is. We have to do what the Lord has called us to do, and put Him first. He may well speak to us all in different ways. The church is not a building or a denomination, it is God's Spiritual Israel, and what is happening in physical Israel today is also happening in the church. Don't forget that Israel is made up of many tribes, and Judah has it's separate identity. I believe there is something in this fact.
Yes Brenda, what you are saying is true and surely you must have had a wise father who trained you up in the ways of the Lord, and the same Spirit who is speaking to me is also speaking to you.
We all believe and have accepted doctrines (teachings), whether they come from the Lord Jesus, or a spirit, or from men. Our job as believers is to sort out those doctrines whether they are true, false, or incomplete.
True doctrines need to be tested against other brothers and sisters, false doctrines need to be discarded, and incomplete doctrines need to be adjusted so that they are fully understood and produce a benefit to our spiritual and natural life and to those who hear us preaching.
You said, "We have to do what the Lord has called us to do, and put Him first".
Yes Brenda, I agree with that statement, but the problem is that only with our lips we put the Lord Jesus first and in the next breath we tear Him down and put ANOTHER person in His place and call him 'Father'.
As always I have said, that this is the workings of Satan who deceives even the elect if possible and 'ALL inhabit of the earth will worship the beast' and sing 'God in three persons blessed Trinity' (Rev. 13:8-9).
Where do you get that extra bit from Paul, that you say comes from Revelations ch. 13 8-9,about singing 'God in three persons, blessed trinity'. We are told not to add anything to or take away from what is written there. I know that is contained in one of the songs that different denominations sing, but I have heard many things quoted by 'pastors' in different denominations from songs as if they were scriptural but they are not. You say 'only with our lips we put Him first but in the next breath we put Him down' I am not responsible for what anyone else does, but I can not take away from the Bible, otherwise where is my plumbline. I also believe that, just like the Lord gave Paul and others instruction after He had left the earth, those are the commands we are to follow in our lives now. We are the body of Christ on earth and have to listen to what He says to us as individuals. He is still working on earth through the Spirit that we have been born again of, the Holy Spirit. There is no such word 'trinity' in the scriptures, but there are the words 'Holy Spirit' and 'Father'. I believe just as I have body, spirit and soul, yet I am one, so too I have to receive the Holy Spirit to become a child of God. John ch..1 v.12 says 'But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:' 2 Timothy ch.3 vs. 1-5 speaks of in the last days people having a form of godliness but denying the power. Vs 14 - 17 say 'But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work' I love what it says what the Holy scriptures are able to do in verses 15, 16 and 17. One thing you put in your last comment was that part of that doctrine you spoke of was 'scary'. Why is it 'scary', can you just tell me that bit?
Brenda, we all have in our homes many different translations of the Bible and not one of them is it written 'God in three persons'.
So then, we have to ask ourselves, why do we teach, preach and portray God to be three people, and even worship them?
You have asked, why is the predestination doctrine scary?
It is because this teaching excludes the will, power and the choice of a man, just as I have said in my last comment.
I like to give you a demonstration, and I need to ask you a question.
Let's use one of your quotes, (John 1:12) "But as many as received him, to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Please tell me in your own words, how do you or your family or your neighbours etc. become sons of God?
Paul, I have already explained most of what you are asking in my previous comment. I am not responsible for what anyone else does or preaches. I have to ask 'Do you really take in what I am saying in my comments?' As for your question on how me, my family, neighbours etc become sons of God.'- It is by acting on the word spoken to me, not just being a hearer of that word, (James ch.1 v.22), and having my mind renewed in Christ. (Romans ch.12 v.2). I know that, after my death experience, for seven years I worried about not being right with God. I used to say the disciples prayer 'Our Father, who art in Heaven etc.' every night for as long as I could remember, but my life wasn't right. Then a series of things happened and I got baptised in full immersion, coming up out of the water speaking in a language I had never learned but which expressed my feelings to God much more than I could have in the English language. As for neighbours, family etc. we are told in John ch.6 v.44 that Jesus said 'No man can come to me except the Father which sent me draw him.... Then we have to work out our own salvation and try to do what He asks us to do, and be what He has commissioned us to be. He is also a loving God and understands we are flesh. God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, and that is who He is in my life on this Earth, my Lord.
Brenda, so your answer to (John 1:12) is, that your neighbours need to 'ACT' on something in order to become the sons of God.
To ACT, a man needs first to 'WILL', and remember that predestination excludes the WILL. Plainly, his will or his actions does not make him to become the son of God just as my will or action does not make me to become a son of the Queen of England.
So then, how does your neighbour become a son of God?
No Paul, you have not read my last comment properly once again. If you look at it once more the section which says 'As for your question on how me, my family, neighbours etc become sons of God.'- It is by acting on the word spoken to me,(here I am speaking about 'me' firstly)
As for family, neighbours etc. further on I go on to speak about these when I say 'As for neighbours, family etc. we are told in John ch.6 v.44 that Jesus said 'No man can come to me except the Father which sent me draw him....' So others becoming sons of God does not depend upon me or anyone els, but upon God. ( and I am quoting Jesus words here ) God has to call them first. As I quoted in my last but one comment 'John ch.1 v.12 says 'But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:' God is the One who calls them and Jesus is the One who gives them power. God called me to Jesus, and Jesus gave me the power to become a son of God ( or a child of God), the Holy Spirit.
Paul,
I love your zeal. People need your passion for the word.
But...
You keep bringing up the same argument that is not completely valid. The reason why it is not valid is because it is not representing what those who believe in a Trinity truly believe.
I know you think that we worship three gods but it is a concept that you are not understanding, so you make it as though it is a false teaching.
On some of your posts and on my blog you and I have discussed this. I have given many examples of how a god can be three yet one. And it doesn't mean that He will be a lesser god, in fact it strengthens the argument for He to be a higher god and thereby making Him thee GOD.
I have given the egg, water, spouse, coin as examples. I also thought of this one today. In the US we have a candy bar called Twix. It has chocolate, caramel, and a cookie. Three separate candies if you will, yet one candy bar. And we eat them together. Could we separate them and eat them separately? YES! That is the beauty of it. Sometimes we need the Spirit to guide us. Sometimes we need Jesus to heal us. Sometimes we need God to comfort us. Yet, they are the same thing still. They have different roles, that is why they are given certain names/titles in the scripture. Just like the candy bar. they act as one yet each fulfills purpose.
It also like Neopolitan ice cream; chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry---in the same container yet different flavors.
So, once again, if we as 3D individuals/universe have this concept then why can't GOD.
We as humans, have a body, soul, AND spirit inside us. All three are different yet we are still one person individually. All three essences make us the human.
Your biggest problem is not scripture or doctrine, it is the fact you refuse to accept this is possible with a multi/infinitive dimension God.
I love your passion but you have got to stop adding words to us who believe in the almighty power of God. I am sure some believe in what you are describing, but most of us do not. From what I am hearing from Brenda, she believes like me. Three equal/three separate/three powerful yet ONE GOD. It really is not that hard to understand.
One huge question which I am confident you will have an answer for.
Why was Jesus frigthened on the cross?
Isn't it more honest to say we don't know how to describe God?
You, Me, and Everybody since the Beginning of Time / Space / Matter, Galaxies of Stars, etc... in a seemingly endless Universe!
God of Love. . .
Too hard to be explained,
Too much to be contained,
Too wonderful,
And at times inconceivable. . .
Until we meet and then behold.
Sev.
EDIT ...perhaps instead of "God of Love" my previous comment should say:
God's unconditional Love. . .
Too hard to be explained,
Too much to be contained,
Too wonderful,
And at times inconceivable. . .
Until we meet and then behold.
Sev.
Brenda, if you became a son of God by acting upon whatever Jesus said, then all others would also become sons of God by acting upon the word of the Lord.
But that is not so. No one can ever become a son of God, just like I could never become a son of the Queen of England no matter whether I will or not or whatever I do. Even if she would adopt me, I still would not be her son, it's as simple as that.
A son of Satan can never become a son of God, he always will be a son of the devil no matter what they do or believe, just as Jesus said (John 8:44).
A son of God is always a son of God that is because he was in Christ before the foundation of the world and nobody can make him a son of Satan.
A man does not become a son of God when he gets born again.
All sons of God will be saved and born again without fail and not one son of the devil (Satan) will or can be born again.
John 1:12-13 is a statement and not an encouragement. It states that those who are already born again have the right to be called the children of God. Absolute predestination.
Hi Tim,
I'm glad to hear from you.
If the Lord Jesus is a God and another person called the Father is also a God, then you worship TWO gods.
If you pray through one God Jesus Christ to another God called the Father, then you worship TWO gods.
If you sing in your Church 'God in three persons blessed trinity', then you worship THREE gods.
If you are saying, that those three persons are one God, then you are deceived and I will gladly help you out of this terrible deception.
You said, "Your biggest problem is not scripture or doctrine, it is the fact that you refuse to accept this is possible with a multi/infinitive dimension God".
No brother Tim, that is not possible. I have been walking nearly 32 years very closely with the Lord Jesus Christ and I can assure you that He is not three persons as the Trinity teaches.
The Lord Jesus is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. He alone is the Holy Spirit clothed in flesh (veiled the incarnate Deity).
You said, "Why was Jesus frightened on the cross?"
The Lord Jesus was not frightened, remember he said, 'I lay down my life on my own accord', He went willingly to the cross to die for OUR sins.
Hi Sev,
Yes that would be more honest to say, if we don't know how to describe God. But I do know how to describe God. I am an ambassador of the only true God Jesus Christ and His Kingdom and I can tell you everything about Him and His Kingdom just as a good ambassador ought to do.
Gods unconditional love is for me not too hard to explain, in fact the Bible does not speak of an 'Unconditional Love'.
(Rom. 9:13) the Lord said that He loved Jacob and hated Esau, while still in the womb. Please Sev, tell me, how is that UNCONDITIONAL?
We shall agree to disagree there Paul. Although I know without a shadow of doubt that my death experience showed me that the Lord knew me before I was formed in the womb, I also believe that the power for mankind (who would not even have been born of Eve if there had been no disobedience in the garden of Eden originally) to become children of God lies in the Holy Spirit's enlightenment of the word, thereby renewing the mind in Christ Jesus. As it says in 1 Corinthians ch.15 vs 45-49 ' And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord (some translations leave out 'the Lord)from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.' God is Spirit and our second birth is spiritual.
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Paul,
See what you are doing? You are separating them. "If the Lord Jesus is A God and another person called the Father is also A God"
I am not saying they are A God. I am saying they are the SAME God. If I said they were each a God then you would be correct and I would be an idolator in my own right.
"If you pray through one God Jesus Christ to another God called the Father, then you worship TWO gods."
Jesus did this too. He prayed to the Father and sais it should be in His name. This is the same concept we pray today.
Being a Christian for 32 years is great but it ha no bearing in this discussion. I am 43 years old, raised in the faith but this is not the point.
"The Lord Jesus was not frightened, remember he said, 'I lay down my life on my own accord', He went willingly to the cross to die for OUR sins."
Jesus was quoting Psalms 22. The passage talks about how cries of anguish. Jesus is crying out in anguish. The father can not look upon sin. Jesus had taken all the sin of the world upon Himself. The father had to turn His back on Jesus until He would be glorified through His death. His cry was not out of fear that we know but because it was at that point He became sin. (2 Cor 5:21).
I respect your belief. You do not though have the correct interpretation of what we believe as those who believe in the Trinity concept. You are stuck on the issue of God being ABLE to be three yet one. And yet the human is the same concept. We are three but one. Do you think I am three different people? I have a body. I have a soul. I have a spirit. Am I three different people? No. Elohim! Three in One
RE: Unconditional Love
..."He loved Jacob and hated Esau, while still in the womb"........
Well, to be honest, I've always wondered and worried about that verse, and I've also struggled to understand exactly what "blasphemy" or an "unforgivable sin" really refer to... but I guess that if it's true that there's such a thing as an "unforgivable sin" then perhaps you're correct in regards to unconditional Love.
So, if it's not unconditional, then how would you best describe God's Love, or the measure of God's Love, or the fact that God is Love?
Sev.
Sev.
To help with your topic, the translation in english is weak. The term in Romans that says Esau I hated actually in Greek says Esau I had less affection for, or an ill-will towards or even better to love less.
So to say God hated Esau is not consistent with His character. He did not love Esau as much is a better translation. See if that changes anything for you. So unconditional still works. God loves us no matter what but liking us is a little different.
However, we can know God. We can know His identity and His character. He can describe Him. But we can not give a complete account of any of that.
Yes Brenda, I do not doubt your death experience and that you were a child of God before the creation of the world and that the Lord Jesus has formed you in your mothers womb.
Everyone who was elected was chosen by the Lord Jesus and set apart for the day of salvation so that all the elect would be revealed at the appropriate time just as it happened to you.
We and all the angels of heaven rejoice when the sons of God are revealed.
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession to the praise of His glory (Eph.1:13-14).
No brother Tim, I do not separate 'THEM' as you have said.
'THEM' are at least TWO and you can separate two just as you do, and this is the mistake that all Trinitarians make.
I believe that God is ONE, one person Jesus Christ our Lord and you cannot separate ONE.
Jesus and the Father are not TWO as you are saying. You need to believe in Jesus, that He is that 'ONE'! And if you would believe in Jesus, then you would not say that there is another one next to Jesus who is also 'God' called the Father.
Let's look at what Jesus is saying to you in John 14:9. 'Don't you know me, Tim, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say 'show me the Father'? (v.10) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? (v.7) If you Tim really knew me, you would have known my Father also. From now on YOU KNOW him and have SEEN him.'
Yes Tim, Jesus did pray to the Father and I have explained that to you on your blog-sight,
Here is a copy;
The Lords prayer (John 17);
That is the most difficult passage of the Scriptures to explain. It is required from you that you believe what the Lord Jesus said concerning the Father.
(John 16:25) Jesus said, “Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.”
Here we can see that Jesus has always been using metaphorical language concerning His Father. But now the Lord Jesus is telling you plainly just as I do.
The Lord Jesus Christ does not have a Father (Hebr. 7:3), if he would have a Father then He would not be the Lord God but His Father would be the Lord God, and then there would be two Gods. So then I will not talk about that any more because I have clearly demonstrated that in my comments.
In the beginning God (Jesus) did not have a body or flesh for God is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24). All the prophets prophesied that God would be born into His own creation in flesh. A spirit does not have flesh till he has entered flesh or is born in flesh. The same was with God, He was born through a virgin in flesh, or plainly God became a man Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
The reason He became a man is to die on the cross for our sins and to hold the office and fulfil that office of the last high priest according to the Levitical priest-hood and to establish a new and everlasting priest-hood according to a new order the order of Melchizedek (Hebrew chapter 7).
Now it is clear that God became a man Jesus Christ and He was the last high priest in the old order and fulfilled all the requirements of a high priest.
Now the requirements of any high priest was that he had to 'PRAY' for the sins of all the people and to bring a unblemished lamb as a sacrifice for the sins of the people etc.
Jesus Christ although He is the Lord God who occupied that office also had to PRAY. Therefore He prayed to Himself because there was no other God to pray to, just the same as He swore by Himself because there was no greater one to be found (Jeremiah 22:5). For that reason John 17 is called the high priestly prayer, and the Lord also sacrificed the perfect lamb of God that is Himself.
I have given only the outline because to go into all details it would take many pages.
Also it is true that you have been created in Gods image, one person, spirit, soul and body, just like Jesus is Spirit soul and body, one person.
If you are ONE person how then can you say that God is three persons?
And remember that it is you who ascribes the TITLE 'Father to another person, other than Jesus Christ our only God (Jude 1:25).
You said, that 'the Father cannot look upon sin.'
From where did you get that? Definitely NOT from the Bible.
It seems to me that you got all your doctrines from a Bible college. They are not true, but harmful to you and to all your hearers and you need to submit to the doctrines of the Apostles (Scriptures and the Spirit of the Lord).
Sev.
RE: Unconditional love.
Well Sev. That is a good sign that you are worried about that verse.
That verse had worried me for years, till the Lord Jesus showed me the full extent of His love for me.
The way I see God's love in the Scriptures and experientially is that God's love is conditional. It depends on the condition whether we are God's children, whether we were in Christ before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4-11).
Throughout all Scriptures we see two groups of people, God's children and Satan's children.
His children He loved and Satan's children He hated.
(Jer. 31:3) 'I have loved you with an EVERLASTING love, therefore with bands of kindness I have drawn thee.'
Or (Rev. 3:19) 'Those whom I love I rebuke', and (John 13:1 and (Eph.2:4) and many more, (Ps.5:5) thou hates all workers of iniquity.
Here you can see that God loves some (His children) and hates others (Satan's children.
Hate is love less, it has no love in it, it is the absence of love, or the exclusion of love.
God hates the reprobates and has assigned a place for them in hell.
It is a fallacy to think that God loves the sinner and hates the sin as some Christians would say.
God will throw the sinner to hell, that is the person who sins.
It is also a fallacy to think that God will throw some of His children to hell.
God's children are the SAVED, the REDEEMED and He laid down His life for His children who have received as a free gift eternal life, therefore they can never die again.
If God loves everybody, then love has no meaning.
The meaning of love is understood, experienced and realised, by the exclusion and rejection of others.
Example;
If my wife loves me and every Tom, Dick and Harry, then her love means nothing to me, I am speaking about God's love and not erotic love.
But if my wife loves ONLY me, by the exclusion of ALL other man, then I know that my wife really loves me.
Behold what manner of love that God has given unto us that we should be called the sons of God.
Paul
Paul,
I also know that the Lord sent myself and my friend out into the streets to evangelise. So what is your purpose, what has the Lord commissioned you to do? No one can take out of the Bible the fact that John ch. 3 v.16 says 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.' The word 'whosoever' says it all Paul, and when my friend and myself asked the church we attended at the time if we could go evangelising in the prison when they said they were going to do this, we were told that we could not. We sought the Lord because we knew the Lord was speaking to both of us to do this, and he gave us continuously 'I have set before you an open door'. We did as we believed He was commanding us to do and even had a sign regarding the open door. He took us into the prison to evangelise on the 'lifer's' wing. No one could have brought us to do this except the Lord.
Brenda, that is good that the Lord has sent you to the streets to evangelise. That is the great commission of the Lord to go into all the world and preach the gospel, on the highways and on the byways.
As for me, I have told you that I am an ambassador for King Jesus and His Kingdom.
I represent the KING of Kings Jesus Christ the Lord, the only God and that beside Him there is no other.
I also represent His Kingdom the Kingdom of God, that is what an ambassador ought to do.
Concerning John 3:16 you know that I see the entire Bible through my election-glasses and I recommend that you also acquire a pair of those amazing election-glasses. They profit you much, but you need to ask the Lord Jesus and He will give them freely to everyone who asks.
John 3:16, 'For God so loved the world'.........
Now there are two ways to look at this statement.
The natural man says that God so loves everyone in the whole world.
The spiritual man looks through his election-glasses and says that God so loves only the elect in the whole world.
He knows that, If God hates only ONE in the world, then the phrase 'the world' cannot mean and does not mean everyone, and you know what the Lord said about Esau.
…....'that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life'.
The natural man says, that whosoever is willing to believe, he is the one who has eternal life, or, all they need to do is to believe in order to have eternal life.
But the spiritual man looking through his election-glasses says, that nobody can have spiritual life unless they are born again, and nobody can be born again by their WILL, but only by the will of God (John 1:13). Therefore the whole verse is a statement and not an encouragement for people to get eternal life.
It states that whosoever has eternal life will believe in Jesus and he will never perish.
Paul
Maybe I did not explain myelf very clearly when I said you separate them. You personally do not separate them. But when you try and give examples of what you think we feel you put words in our mouth and say we separate them. Only in your examples is that true. You keep saying we have three gods. And we are not saying that. You are the one who is saying they are separate in your explaination of the Trinity. Like when you say this: "Jesus and the Father are not TWO as you are saying." You have put words into our mouth. That is what I meant when I said you separate them, we are not.
You keep missing my points or trying to change them, I don't know which one is better to say. All the examples I keep giving you are examples of how something can be three yet still one but you are finding excuses to keep defending a close mind. If you can believe that Jesus was body, soul, and spirit as a human then why can He not be three in One as God? I am one person but I am three different beings. My body interacts with the physical world. I can get hurt physically but it may not change my soul or spirit. My thoughts are separate from my body. My spirit is not the same as my soul. Yet I am still one. I can separate all three yet I can't live without any of them. All three make who I am.
PAUL SAID: You said, that 'the Father cannot look upon sin.'From where did you get that? Definitely NOT from the Bible.---
Read Habbakuk 1:13 My friend.
I never went to any bible college. I get all my studies from what God tells me to study and learn. Sorry.
Let me add this conversation. I am assuming you believe that Jesus was God and man at that the same time. This is not a real conversation but this is how I see it going with my commentary thrown in.
Tim: Was Jesus God?
Paul: Yes.
Tim: Was Jesus man too?
Paul: Yes.
Tim: So Jesus was God and man at the same time?
Paul: Yes.
Tim: So Jesus can be two different things at the same time?
Paul: Yes. But He can't be three.
Another scripture I need explaining, Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.
Why is Jesus referring to someone sending Him? Jesus said He came forth from Him. They are One but He is FROM HIM. He did not come on His own. He was sent. It was not on His initiative. If it was not His initiative then whose was it? You can't say it Jesus. Because that would not make sense. I sent Myself but I did not send Myself. I came from Myself and sent Myself but I did not send Myself. That doesn't make sense. But If He was part of the Father and the Father took a piece of Himself and sent Him down as a man but still held the divinity, that makes sense. And if you say Jesus took a piece of Himself and He was in two different places at the same time then you are separating them too but you are just not calling them different titles/names. If Jesus was on earth and in heaven it's the same thing that we are saying. If you are saying that he was not on earth the same He was in heaven then He is not God and He would not be worth following, so I know you are not saying that.
So, please, do not put words into our mouth and claim that it's the truth. We believe THEY ARE ALL ONE. GOD IS ONE. THREE IN ONE. ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL.
Paul,
I see nothing in the Bible about asking for 'election glasses'. As for the word 'believes' as in 'believes in (on) Him',it has a much deeper meaning than just believing that Jesus existed. Verse 17 of John ch.3 says ' For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.' Verse 18 says 'He that believes on Him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.' There is a choice here between light and darkness and the condemnation is whether man chooses darkness or light. We become an ambassador(an authorized messenger) for Christ by encouraging man to be reconciled to God.
Tim, Habbakuk 1:13 please my friend read the whole chapter, Habbakuk is complaining to God about the wicked.
What do you think, God is hiding, or turning his face when you sin?
To the contrary, He sees everything you do, even the sins you do in darkness.
No brother Tim, God is not three musketeers 'ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL' :-)
You said, "THEY ARE ALL ONE".
OK. I will say that one more time and then I will leave it up to you.
They 'ALL' cannot be ONE!
They 'ALL' will always be many!
They all can be one in unity, they all can be one in agreement, they all can be in one place, but they all cannot be ONE.
You see Tim, this is the reason why it is impossible for you to understand the Scriptures. You first need to deal with that Trinity doctrine, that doctrine is more dangerous then you think.
Of course not Brenda, but the Lord said that 'anything you ask me I will do for you', perhaps the election-glasses might be included :-)
Amen Brenda, I believe exactly what you have said, that we all have a choice between light and darkness, between good and bad, between believing and not believing, between repent or not to repent etc. I also believe that we have a free choice.
The difference between you and me is that you put all Scripture passages into one pot, and then mix them together till you have a nice fruit salad.
As for me, I separate the passages who speak about the new birth, being born again, or being saved from a spiritual dead state etc. from the passages that speak about natural salvation, like being saved from sickness, or saved from a disaster, or saved from suffering the punishment of disobedience etc.
In the former you do NOT have a choice.
In the latter you MUST make a choice.
No Paul,
I do not put all scripture into one pot. I serve the Lord according to what and when He speaks to me. However, just like I would not say 'yes' and 'no' at the same time, neither does the Lord. When the Israelites cried out for the things they had in Egypt, He gave them what they asked for but gave them leanness of soul(Psalm 106 vs.14 and 15). The reason they cried out for these things is because they did not wait for His counsel(v.13), and this is what I believe the Lord wants us to encourage, the teaching from the scriptures,(just as each Israelite had to pick up their individual daily manna) not from man (which can be completely different). Glasses are a man made aid, revelation from God through the Holy Spirit is not.
Paul,
I love you brother but you miss many of the points don't you?
I read the whole chapter of Habbakuk before I posted :) God can not look upon the wicked. He can not be around sin. Man was separated from God by sin. In the end those who are still separated from God cannot be around Him.
There is only one mediator now between God and man and that is Jesus. He bridges the gap. How can He bridge the gap? Because He was both God and man, at the same time. You did not address that, yet.
I will repeat some issues if you don't mind.
Why did Jesus refer to someone sending Him?
Whose initiative is He referring to?
If I can be three in one why can't God?
Why isn't it the same thing for you to say that Jesus is the father, son, and spirit and for us just to say they are one but in three?
Why can't they be all in one? Is it because you can't see it physically or naturally happening?
You have to look at things spiritually, beyond the physical.
Take care Paul. I will be back when/if anything new is stated.
Amen Brenda!
Paul, Tim, Brenda... from reading some of your comments it's obvious you have different opinions about the Trinity. I believe in a Triune God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) but I think "three persons" is NOT an accurate description.
On the subject of sin, I was wondering if any of you can give me an accurate biblical definition of sin?
Is all sin equal, or are some sins more or less serious than others, and therefore more or less forgivable?
If there is such a thing as an unforgivable sin, what is it, and how can you personally know without doubt that all your sins are forgiven?
Sev.
Hello anonymous,
When I was up in Scotland several years ago, I was coming back to our son's home and I missed the turning at one country road. I turned around to go back to that road and as I did a large lorry went passed with the words 'Missing the mark' written on it. I had a strong feeling that God was about to show me something. To cut a very long story short, the next morning I turned the God channel on and Kenneth Copeland was speaking these words 'To sin merely means to miss the mark'. I decided to do some research in the scriptures.
In Hebrews ch. 12 we are told that we have to be disciplined by God in order to be His children of righteousness, and we are encouraged to strive for peace with all men, without bitterness, not to be immoral or irreligious, that we are not being warned from earth, we are being warned from Heaven. We are told not to refuse Him who is speaking from above for He is shaking the Heavens in order to remove what is earthly that we may come to Him with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire.The word Chattaah,meaning 'sin offering' is taken from the word 'chata', to miss the mark, it also signifies sin in general, and is a very apt term by which to express its nature. A sinner (we are all born into sin) is continually aiming at and seeking happiness but as he does not seek it in God, hence the scripture represents him as missing his aim, or missing the mark. In Greek the word for 'sin' (hamatia) means 'to miss the mark' and that is actually a very useful image to depict how 'disharmony' is truly a separation from God.
Because Gods ways and thoughts are not our ways and thoughts then we have to have our minds renewed in Christ Jesus (the One and only mediator between man and God) through the enlightening of the word by the Holy Spirit to even know what 'sin' is in the first place(being out of harmony with God). It does say in Hebrews ch. 10 that if we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. The Lord, however, understands that we are flesh and is very long suffering with us as we are taught His ways, and the more I am taught His ways the more foolish I see my own as being.
Hi Brenda, thanks for your response... very interesting!
I really am a sinner... when I knew without doubt that God was real, at first I was extremely happy... but then I don't know why but I asked for something and I expected to receive whatever I asked for. Well, what happened was when I didn't get what I was asking for I got angry and turned away.......... cont.
(I was going to tell the rest of what happened but I'm too ashamed, and to be honest I've never really told anyone before because I can't even believe what I did!)
Needless to say, but I really, really, REALLY am a sinner. Now I just want to know that all my sins are forgiven, removed, gone, as though I had never sinned.
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Can anyone tell me about blasphemy... is it true that blasphemy is forgivable if it's against the Father, or the Son, but unforgivable if it's against the Holy Spirit? Also, is it written somewhere that God can change His mind about anything, so He can still forgive anything at anytime, if He so chooses? Does that include the unforgivable sin?
I just want to know and love God more, but I need to know that my sins are forgiven and that He loves me also.
Sev.
Sev.,
You raised some great issues. Unfortunately you will get different answers from different perspectives. Pray and trust the spirit of God will guide you.
First, your assessment is accurate when you said three persons is not an accurate description. That was one of my points that keeps getting distorted. Both sides are saying this. Three separate "PERSONS" is not accurate. Personnas are different.
Secondly, we all sin!!! There is no biblical definition of sin. But this may help, the only real sin is this: disobedience. All sin comes down to disobeying God. Thatis why all sin is the same in His eyes. To man there are degrees of sin/crime. Just like you I have done things that I am so ashamed of that sometimes I hate who I am. But Jesus died for me and my sins are covered, all of them. I don't know if once saved, always saved is true but I sure hope because I am not perfect.
The question on blasphemy is the most difficult because no one really knows. But the study I just got done doing on it alloed me to think of it this way. Jesus said blasphemy against Him is okay but not against the Spirit. Jesus came as a man. People were going to hate Him and call Him blasphemous because of what He was. But the Spirit is not man. If someone says He is man and God He is delusional, if he says he is the Spirit, he is not only delusional he is exalting himself above man and GOD. That to me is blasphemy.
If you accept that Jesus is the Christ and are truely reprentive then my friend you are a child of God and redeemed by His blood. Sin is going to happen, He knows that that is why he died ONCE for ALL! Hope that helps.
Sev.
Sin is everything we do against God's Law and His Word the Bible.
Sin is everything we do against our conscience.
Even if a man does not believe, his conscience will accuse him or acquit him on judgement day, therefore ALL men are without excuse before the Lord.
All sins are not equal. There are greater sins and lesser sins, lesser sins deserve lesser punishment and greater sins greater punishment. And there is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is unforgivable. (Mark 3:29 NASB) verse 22, they have called the living God Jesus Christ a devil and the prince of devils which is Satan himself, that is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, that is because Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor.3:17) or the Holy Spirit clothed in flesh. The blasphemy is against the Spirit within the Son of man Jesus Christ.
However, there is total forgiveness for ALL our sins to all of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and are born of His Spirit, because the Lord Jesus has suffered on the cross for ALL of our sins. The punishment for our sins which was due to us fell upon our Lord Jesus and by His stripes we are healed.
So then it is impossible for a born again believer to commit the unforgivable sin because he or she is born of the Holy Spirit.
Yes Sev. It is possible to know without a doubt that all your sins are forgiven.
At this point I would like to ask you a question.
Are you a born again believer in Jesus Christ our Lord?
And do you know with certainty that you are born again?
To everyone!
Concerning the trinity, please read again this post 'TRINITY'S SIN!' and then check the date when it was posted, then please turn on your TVs and watch the Lord confirming His Word.
See how quick He has aroused the wind and the storm in punishment against her (the trinity) in the Philippines.
Children, adults, houses and Christian Churches alike are all totally destroyed and desolate.
The Lord is not slow to carry out His wrath against all ungodliness.
Category five Typhoon Haiyan struck the Philippines at 4'30 am local time on Friday 8 November 2013 forcing millions of people to seek shelter, and thousands have died.
Sev,
we cannot become accountable to God until He has called us to Jesus and we become born again of His Holy Spirit. As we grow in Him from a babe in Christ to maturity we learn His ways and then we become accountable. I don't know if you have been born again, only you and the Lord know that. If you have you will come to know what He is instructing you to do as you follow Him. If you have not then God's wisdom will be foolishness to you. I pray that you have been born again of God's Holy Spirit, and if you have not that you soon will be. Gods word cannot go out and come back void to Him so the more you read and hear the true scriptures the more truths you will receive from Him as to how He wants you to be. God bless you in your search.
The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL!
"HE Created all things by (in, of, and thru) The Messiah"! (Ephesians 3:9)
And The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD"! (Revelations 3:14)
"Let there be Light!" and "There was Light"....... (Genesis 1:3)
The ONLY TRUE GOD, HE WHO is LIGHT Begot Light! (I John 1:5)
The Messiah, "The True Light which enlightens every man born into this world" (John 1:9)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-word-of-god-let-there-be-light.html
And The Messiah testified that He had "a Father and GOD" and that His "Father and GOD" was also the "Father and GOD" of His brethren! And OUR "Father and GOD" raised The Messiah "from among the dead"! (John 20:17, Galatians 1:1)
And The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD (SPIRIT) and FATHER (CREATOR) of ALL! HE has no god....... For HE IS GOD!
And HE has no Father....... For HE IS Father of ALL!
"Our Father and GOD" indeed and Truth....... (John 20:17)
John 10:32-36 - "The Messiah answered them, "Many good works have I shown you from My Father, for which of those works do you stone Me?
The Jews answered Him, "We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy. And because you, being a man, make yourself GOD."
The Messiah answered them, "Is it not written in your law, I(GOD) said, "You are god's"?"
If HE(GOD) called them god's, unto whom The Word of GOD came, and the scripture can't be broken, why do say of Me, Whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, "you blaspheme", because I said "I am The Son of GOD?"" (John 10:32-36)
Thankfully "The Word of GOD" came unto me and i was Born Again! (I Peter 1:23)
And i am One with The Father and The Son in The Family of Our Father and GOD, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (John 17:21-23, Ephesians 3:15)
And The Testimony of Faith IS, "Joshua (in modern english) WAS and IS The Messiah, The Son of The Living GOD"! (Mat 16:16)
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/08/one-and-only-true-g-d-fathercreator-of.html
Elderchild, I love all your statements and Scriptures and especially I like your testimony, "Thankfully 'The Word of God' came to me and I was Born Again!" Hallelujah brother! And thanks for your input.
Paul
ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!
Father Help! and HE does.......
i tried to find your e-mail address paul and could not. i believe sharing Faith to Faith would be a good thing, and if you believe the same you could send me an e-mail using the E-Mail button on my blogspot profile.
Thankfully Peace IS! in spite of this world and religion! francis
Brother elderchild your words are as the words of the Lord, so post on my sight anything you like and whatever the Lord gives you to say.
Because of the nature of my posts, I have never given my e-mail address. All of my posts are very controversial and are directed against all Anti-Jesus Christ establishments and their doctrines and practices. Starting with the revelation and the rise of the Antichrist Church (the Catholic Church) and all of her daughter Churches and denominations who imitate her to this very day.
I do not have a honourable ministry, that which I say seems to upset every Church denomination and their doctrines and practices.
The major deception of Satan is the Trinity teaching, and the Lord Jesus has commissioned me to strike this doctrine at the roots.
Please brother, read this post again 'Trinity's Sin' and then watch for confirmation on TV.
Can you see how the Lord aroused the wind the storm with ferocity against the Philippines, mainly Catholic Trinitarian Churches and people.
Judgement is for those who refuse to listen to our only God and Father Jesus Christ.
And blessings are for those who delight in the Lord and in His NAME.
Kind regards
Paul
Paul,
I think you class many people as 'trinity' believers when many people don't use that word because it is not scriptural. However Jesus was only called 'Jesus' when He was on earth. In the beginning He was called the 'Word' who was with God and was God, and I think you have failed to acknowledge that some people have noted this without using the words 'three persons'. A beautiful example of what I am trying to say is shown in John ch. 16 vs. 12 - 15:- 'I have yet many things to say to you but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said he will take what is mine and declare it to you.' God is the Spirit that has to be connected to the Word, who had to come in our fleshly likeness to communicate with those who are fleshly, and who then was crucified in the flesh (which is the sinful part of mankind) and then sent the Spirit of truth in order that we might be reconciled back to God by being born of His Spirit.
Simply, ALL religion except it be for James 1:27 is anti-messiah!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/10/religion-is-anti-messiah.html
Paul, i appreciate the encouraging words, they instill a desire within me to commune with you "face to face" and "Faith to Faith"!
Yet needs be i question?
Are you aware that the pagan catholic and christian name for The Messiah is the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus"?
And that The Messiah and Joshua of the old covenant both were given the same Hebrew birth name?
i can not call upon the "imag"ined name pagan catholicism and her #1 harlot christian daughter(the aptly named "church OF england") gave to one head of their "imag"ined three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
And have you REALized who IS Hebrew(and of The Faith of Abraham) in this day and age?
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2010/07/who-is-hebrew.html
No i am not a wanna be natural "jew" for Thankfully i have been Born Anew of "The LIVING Word of GOD" and am !NOW! a New Covenant Jew! Of The Messiah's brethren who have their portion !NOW! in and of The Family of Our Father and GOD!
ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-of-new-covenant-and-new-covenant.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
The Messiah testified, "i can do nothing of my own self"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-messiah-testified-i-can-do-nothing.html
The Declaration of Dependence!
Father Help! and HE does.......
i can't! HE CAN.......
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2007/10/declaration-of-dependence.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/05/i-must-die.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Well Brenda, the trinity is like a chameleon, it changes it's colours to blend in the background.
I carefully read what a person is saying, and sometimes it is not what they are saying but what they indicate or presume in their explanations.
The moment I expose or bring to light certain aspects of the trinity, it tries to seek shelter behind the Scriptures and it always ends up that the trinity is a mystery and no one can understand the infinity of God.
The rule is that you should not divide God into two or three identities except in a metaphorical portrayal or explanations. The moment you do then you are called a dualitarian or a trinitarian and it makes no difference what you call yourself, it is your view of God which is then in question.
In the beginning Jesus was not with another identity called 'God' or 'Father' and His Name had not been given in the beginning, Jesus was known by the title 'God' or 'Lord', or plainly He had no Name.
Only in the New Testament when the Lord was born into his own creation in the likeness of a man he received a Name 'JESUS', a Name which is above all other names, so that at that Name 'JESUS' every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord the (God) to the glory of God the Father. Please remember NOT to the glory of another person called 'Father', but to the TITLE 'Father.
All the Apostles and disciples did not know the doctrine of the trinity, till they heard that after the rise of the Antichrist the first Pope of Rome Linus AD 67, and you know the history how the Catholic Church got drunk with the blood of the saints who opposed her doctrines and practices.
Also I like your explanation of John 16:12-15.
Yes brother elderchild, I surely would like to have fellowship with you face to face, but you are a valuable spearhead in the battle against powers and principalities in this evil and wicked world of so many Christian religions just as you have said.
I am honoured to stand shoulder to shoulder with you against those forces in high places who suppress the truth for lies and deceptions.
Yes my brother I am aware about the Name of the Messiah in other languages. My mother tongue is not English but Swiss or Swiss-german and I also speak fluent German.
But as it is in the English language we have only one Name for the Messiah and that is JESUS! In every English Bible translation God's Name is Jesus, and to me that is the most wonderful Name to know.
Messiah, God, Christ, Father, Son, Lord etc. are only titles or descriptions of our Lord Jesus who walked the streets of Galilee.
Paul
Ok Paul,
it looks like there is really no discussion because you obviously have something other than the Bible for your plumb-line. If we do that then everybody is right in their own eyes, which breeds chaos.
Forgive me my lack of understanding of what and who you are, for i did not realize that the pagan catholic and christian 'jesus' was your god!
'jesus' is but the "imag"ined name the devil gave to his "imag"ined son less than 600 years ago!
And you dare declare such an "image" to be your "god"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/08/who-is-this-pagan-catholic-and.html
Simply sad for you!
Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!
For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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elderchild,
While I am sure you mean well and want to spread the love of God I honestly can not understand anything you are saying. No rudeness intended but your sentences are too choppy and incomplete. I would like to have heard what you are saying.
If I hear you correctly, you are saying that the word Jesus is wrong to use?
If that is the case we have to stop putting emphasis on what is not important. My name is Timothy in English, if my spanish brothers want to call me Timoteo why would that matter? Or if my Greek brothers want to call me Τιμόθεος then so what? Jesus is the Anglotized form of Y'shua, or Joshua. Jesu is another form.
Do you only say Father as the name for God? That is cool by me. But the savior did have man's name while He was here.
If I am wrong I apologize but as I said I can not understand incomplete sentences.
The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL(Messiah inclusive), HE spoke HIS Word into being!
"Let There Be Light!" and "there was Light"....... (Genesis 1:3)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-word-of-god-let-there-be-light.html
Simply, The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD"! Revelations 3:14)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2010/06/1st-day-of-creation.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
As for tim.......
Simply sad for you.......
Brenda, I have two plumb lines or three.
The first plumb line is the Bible the Word of God and the second plumb line is the Holy Spirit. And whosoever has not received the second plumb line can not understand the first plumb line the Bible, that is because it is foolishness to them and they do not belong to the Lord (Rom.8:9), but it is the second plumb line who leads them into All the truth (John 16:13).
And the third plumb line is the confirmation from my brothers and sisters in Christ who are filled with the Holy Spirit.
Just the same as every fact must be established by two or three witnesses. One witness is not good enough without a second witness and preferable by a third witness.
We have so many religions, cults, denominations, creeds and whatever, and all use the Bible to justify their positions.
Perhaps you might see that we need more then one plumb line, we need people who are filled with the Holy Spirit and preach the Word of God in power and demonstration of the Spirit.
The Word of God (the Bible) is suitable for training in conduct and for correction in doctrines.
If any man does not speak according to the Bible, that is because there is no light in them (Isa. 8:20).
Brother Tim, that is a very good explanation concerning the Name 'Jesus'.
I'm impressed!
Yes bother elderchild, I was one of those whom the Lord Jesus Christ has rescued out of pagan catholicism just as you have said. In fact I used to belong to the mother of all harlot churches the ROMAN catholic church, but the Lord Jesus has called me out of her and be separate.
I have read your post;
"Who is this pagan catholic and christian jesus?"
Well brother I do not understand what you are trying to say?
Are you saying that the Messiah is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
Are you saying that the Name of the Messiah is NOT Jesus?
Are you saying that the CREATOR GOD is NOT the Lord Jesus?
If you don't agree, then please tell me His Name?
More or less what I've always said in my comments on your blog Paul,especially the last but one comment, a person has to be born of the Holy Spirit (having the Holy Spirit of God in us) to even understand the things of God.
Sadly, it seems "the eye of your understanding" has not yet been opened.......
i can but Hope that one day The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit would be your "plumbline"!
For that "plumblne" was revealed in both The Life and Teachings of The Messiah, and a multitude of witnesses all of whom are The Faithful brethren of The Messiah!
And it needs be REALized that The Messiah received both His Life and His Teachings from "Our Father and GOD"! (John 5:19,30; 7:16; 8:28-29; 12:49-50; 14:6,10,23-24)
Simply, The Messiah testified, "I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My GOD and your GOD"! (John 20:17)
Thankfully "Our Father and GOD" indeed and Truth!
You questioned, "Are you saying that the Messiah is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth?"
"Are you saying that the Name of the Messiah is NOT Jesus?"
"Are you saying that the CREATOR GOD is NOT the Lord Jesus?"
ALL OF THE ABOVE and oh, so much more! For the "imag"ined pagan catholic and christian 'jesus christ" is anti-messiah!
As for The Messiah's name which was given Him by Our Father and GOD:
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
And as for the pagan catholic and christian "christ":
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
And as for what this evil world and it's religion's call their "bible"?
Each and every "biblical" translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious and/or philosophical dogma of the translators!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html
Finally concerning "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD"! (Rev 3:14)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-word-of-god-let-there-be-light.html
Thankfully while breath is, HOPE IS!
For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
elderchild,
From what I understood from your blog and the name of the Messiah you are saying that Jesus is a pagan way of translating His name. And that the true name of the Messiah is Joshua, correct?
Well, you may want to rethink this. Because in Hebrew there is no "J". So, Joshua can not be the real name since the "J" was added by another language later. Joshua therefore is another paganistic name for the Messiah, using your argument. If you were consistant then you would have said the Messiah's name is Y'hoshua.
Brenda, I know that the things I have been saying are not new to you, I only added to your comment in order to consolidate that which you already know.
Yes brother elderchild, the eye of my understanding have not been opened, so please help me to understand what you believe.
Just as you have said, I do not believe in the 'catholic, christian jesus christ'. Remember that I have come out of that Antichrist church and I know and understand that they believe in another jesus than I do (2 Cor. 11:4).
I believe in Jesus who is the Christ, that is with a BIG 'J ' and NOT with a little ' j ' as the pagans do.
The Jesus I believe in is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Before Jesus NO God formed, after Jesus NO God formed (Isa. 43:10) and beside JESUS there is NO OTHER person or individual who is deity.
Jesus was in the beginning and He created all things, the things in heaven and the things on earth and nothing came into being apart from Him. All things were created by Jesus and through Jesus and for Jesus.
I hope that I have made myself clear, so that you know in whom I believe.
Now my brother I need to know in whom do you believe.
Do you believe in the Jesus with the BIG 'J' ?
Do you believe that Jesus is the Lord God?
Do you believe that Jesus is a God next to another God?
When you said, "Our FATHER and GOD", to whom do those titles belong? And please give me His Name?
Paul
RE: Born Again
Paul, Tim, Brenda,
When I first knew God, I felt loved, brand new as though born again, all my sins removed... but now I'm unsure because I sometimes feel as though I'm struggling to hold on to my faith. I want to know I'm loved again and that all my sins are forgiven.
I wrote this poem when I recalled how amazing it felt to know I was truly loved by God:
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THE MEASURE OF LOVE
The sun caresses the land and sea
Before it kisses everything goodnight,
And you are there. . . . .
So far away,
Where the horizon is at sunset and sunrise,
And so near,
Where the horizon is within the irises of my eyes,
You are both here and there,
Because you are beyond measure
You have no end,
But I could not have seen you
If my eyes had not been opened,
I could not have existed
If you had not existed first,
For within you my nature is nourished and nursed,
Without you I would die of thirst,
And through the years I have seen,
That with me you have always been. . . . .
In my youth you were an overflowing ocean,
A bouquet of life and emotion,
Today you are an oasis
In the middle of a desert inside me,
But you are an oasis that never dries,
You send butterflies through my body
And tears of joy to my eyes,
Wherever you are there also is life
For your fruit ripens but never dies,
And the power in your name is well known,
On the wings of a dove you have flown,
You are peace and innocence. . . . .
You are love.
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Sev.
Sev,
your poem is beautiful. When I first became born again I started writing poetry and songs too, and I have never loved anyone as much as I love God. I am not sure why you feel unloved, but I do know that we have to keep a close relationship with the Lord through prayer and reading the scriptures, and also have fellowship with one another to be able to stay connected to Him. I had what people call a 'near death experience' when I was twenty eight and I was in a place where I knew I had been before I was born. My twenty eight years was like a dream, that place was reality. I cried for a long time because I felt I was in the wrong place. Seven years later I became born again and have since then felt that I have been in communication with God. I am not sure why you feel unloved by Him because if we try to do what is right by Him as we have our minds renewed in Him through the teaching of the Holy Spirit, then we come to see the love and long suffering that He has while we are being changed. Put Him first in your life Sev and you will feel loved by Him.
God bless you
Sadly, you reject The Truth concerning the "imag"ined pagan catholic and christian "JESUS CHRIST"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
BIG letters or small your "jesus christ" is the "imag"ined son of the 'd'evil spirit that rules over this evil world and ALL religion's! (except James 1:27)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
Sadder yet, you have chosen to have your portion with the reprobate both spiritually and naturally.......
i have shared that which is of The TRUTH with you! Your blood is not on my hands.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
EC,
It really doesn't help if you do not answer the questions we have. Paul asked you straight up with no strings attached and all you did was condemn him. I believe his question was sincere and deserves an answer. I asked if the J sound mattered or not. The real name of God on earth would be Y'hoshua. That is what Mary would have called Him.
Sev,
Rest assured, God loves you. You accepted Him. He died for you. If you accept His death then His death is not without purpose. Satan wants you to doubt to keep you in his power of deception.
Sadly, you also reject The Truth concerning the "imag"ined pagan catholic and christian "JESUS CHRIST"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Your "jesus christ" is the "imag"ined son of the 'd'evil spirit that rules over this evil world and ALL religion's! (except James 1:27)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
Sadder yet, you have chosen to have your portion with the reprobate both spiritually and naturally.......
i have shared that which is of The TRUTH with you! Your blood is not on my hands.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
Anonymous testified, "When I first knew God, I felt loved, brand new as though born again, all my sins removed... but now I'm unsure because I sometimes feel as though I'm struggling to hold on to my faith. I want to know I'm loved again and that all my sins are forgiven."
YES! to live yet die HURTS, excruciatingly painful and at times unbearable!
FATHER HELP!
And to "Trust in Our Father and GOD with all our heart, leaning not unto our own understanding" even as we "wait,, wait i say upon Our Father and GOD" to work in us "HIS Will and GOOD Pleasure"? (Proverbs 3:5, Psalms 27:14, Philippians 2:13)
"I(id,ego,self,pride)" can't!
FATHER HELP! and HE does......
Thankfully REALity testifies, "to come to the end of oneself ("I",ego,id,pride) is a GOOD thing"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/05/i-must-die.html
Refined, purified, sanctified, made holy(set apart), despised, hated, "cast down but not destroyed",,,,,!
"Let patience have her perfect work, (*and to wait is to suffer*) that you may be perfect and entire, wanting no-thing"! (James 1:4)
Our Father and GOD, in spite of us, will do whatever is needful for HIS children to REALize that liken unto The Messiah they can "do nothing of their own self"! (John 5:19,30)
And so it is we "suffer long", even as "Our Father and GOD suffers long with us" indeed and Truth....... (II Timothy 3:12, Romans 8:17)
Thankfully, "Love suffers long"! (I Corinthians 13:4)
And, "ALL things work together for The Good (not that all things are good), for those who love Our Father and GOD, those who are the called in accordance with HIS Will and GOOD Pleasure"! (Romans 8:28, Philippians 2:13))
And while breath is, HOPE IS!
For TRUTH IS! "Our Father and GOD suffers long with HIS children".......
Father Help! and HE does......
So Peace IS! in spite of the dis-ease (no-peace) that is of this evil world and religion's way, for "the WHOLE world (not just a portion) is under the control of the evil one"....... (John 7:7, Galatians 1:4, I John 5:19)
The children of Our Father and GOD are to "count it all JOY when we fall into various trials (suffering)! Because we know that the trying of our Faith genders patience! And let patience have her perfect work! That you may be perfect and complete, wanting no-thing"! (James 1:2-4)
Father Help! and HE does.......
I can say amen to all of that my brother.
"brother"?
Extremely unlikely!
Of course, could be that one day you would heed the call to "Come out from among the pagan catholic and christian pharisaical religious ways"!
For ALL religion (except James 1:27) is anti-messiah!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Sadder, than sad is your never declaring your dependence for seems you are yet ensnared by the lies that are "the american way".
And such is to be expected of that which was born in the bloodshed that is rebellion!
"The Declaration of Dependence"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2007/10/declaration-of-dependence.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Thank you Sev. for freely sharing your experience in the Lord.
I think that Brenda and Tim gave you good encouragement to turn back to the Lord.
Only in Jesus Christ is forgiveness of sins and life and abundance of life.
Sev. We walk by faith and not by feelings, although feelings are very important, but they come after you have been walking by faith with the Lord Jesus Christ and just like Brenda said, 'in a relationship with the Lord'.
Your whole experience in Christ is a question of the heart.
The Lord Jesus is looking for those whose heart are fully His.
You need to judge yourself rightly, and ask yourself;
Do you believe in the Lord Jesus? What about when He said that He will never leave or forsake you? And NOTHING can separate you from His love? What about when Jesus said that He has forgiven you ALL of your sins?
There are many more statements of the Lord, so if you doubt the Word of the Lord then you simply don't believe and you need to deal with that unbelief.
Do you love the Lord Jesus Christ with all your Heart? Or do you love more than one God? Are you half hearted toward the Lord?
Do you serve the Lord out of fear or out of love?
Sev. when you stand on that crossroad, there is only one intelligent and sensible choice, follow JESUS! But wholeheartedly and without restraint, and don't worry what other people say or think, do not look to the left or the right but let your gaze be fixed on Jesus Christ the author and finisher of your life.
As for me I have made up my mind and I follow the Lord Jesus wholeheartedly and without restraint.
Jesus has called me to His banqueting table and His banner over me is love. It is like a continuous feast in my heart and it gets better and better till one day the Lord will take me home.
Remember when Jesus said that the way is narrow and only few are those who find it. It is so simple, JESUS is the way! You don't need to look anywhere else but to Jesus.
Sev,
Jesus says to His disciples in John ch. 16 v.33 'These things I have spoken to you that IN ME you may have PEACE. 'referring to the words He spoke in the previous chapters of John. (They will also speak to all who believe and put their trust in Jesus as they allow their minds to be renewed in Him) The word for 'peace' in Hebrew is 'Shalom' which has a much deeper meaning in the Hebrew language than the 'peace' that we associate it with in the English translation. According to Strong's Concordance its full meaning is 'completeness, wholeness, health, peace, welfare, safety,soundness, tranquillity, prosperity, perfectness, fullness, rest, harmony, the absence of agitation or discord.' If we have that close relationship with Jesus then in spite of many trials that we shall go through we shall have that peace, and shall be with Him at the end of this life. In the world there is tribulation, in Jesus there is peace.
"The Messias, which being interpreted is the Christ"?
Sadly, there are many who "Come Out" of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters physically, yet spiritually they remain bound in the chains of their strong delusion! (II Corinthians 6:17)
Consider "The Word of Truth"! (James 1:18)
"He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ."" (John 1:41)
"The Messias (this is a pagan greek word), which being INTERPRETED is the Christ"? (John 1:41b)
SUCH IS A LIE! For the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but butchered that pagan greek word!
"interpret" = to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate.
AND the translators did not transliterate the greek "Messias" into the english "Messiah"!
John 1:41 should be translated, "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found The Messiah!" (which is being INTERPRETED The Anointed One)."
And then in John 4:25 > "The woman said unto him, I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ. When He is come, He will tell us all things."
The proper translation is, "I know that The Messiah is coming, who is called The Anointed One. When He is come, He will tell us all things." (John 4:25)
Why did they once again butcher, rather than INTERPRET, the pagan greek word "christos"?
And why should i believe in a name 'jesus' which was transliterated from the pagan latin catholic word "iesus" when in all the pagan greek manuscripts The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name is referred to as "Iesous"?
Quite evident that the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is but the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus", not the pagan greek "iesous"!
A pagan latin catholic name("iesus"), rather than the right and proper pagan greek name ("iesous"), was used in the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name into english! From a pagan greek manuscript!
Translating from a pagan greek manuscript and using a pagan latin word?
NO question that such is of "babel/confusion/babylon\world\religion"!
Such is the pagan catholic and christian way.......
So it is that one head of the "imag"ined three headed pagan god(s) of pagan catholicism, and most all of her harlot christian daughters, has a pagan latin name 'jesus' and a pagan greek title 'christ'......
Yet such is a proper name and title for one head of their "imag"ined three headed pagan god(s), -OR- their "imag"ined 'jesus' is god&father&son, -OR- their "imag"ined 'jesus' is but a messenger or angel, -OR- ?
Simply, Joshua (in today's english) The Messiah IS The Son of Our Father and GOD! (Matthew 16:16)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/08/who-is-this-pagan-catholic-and.html
And the devil's work is most certainly done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!
"the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", "the author of dis-order" and "every evil work", most certainly has had his way with the religious ones! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44, James 3:16)
No! you say?
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Paul,
I just felt led to come onto your site and thank you for allowing your blog to become an open discussion. This is what I have always loved doing because I believe we as believers should build one another up according to what we have been given to share. I believe that he who seeks will find and regardless of what doctrines are floating around God still wants everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth. We do not come to that knowledge by arguing and insisting on our own way being right but by discussion and sharing what has been revealed to each one of us.
EC,
I was kind of hoping for more love from someone who says he follows the One Ture God. Psul and I disagree but we call each other brother.
Anyway, you say that the Latins translated the Messiah's name from Greek. Uh....there is a reason for that. Latins did not speak greek. Just like you. You call the Messiah Joshua, but that is a translation of Y'hoshua. I addressed this before but you did not respond to it. YOU are now calling the Messiah by an ENGLISH name, a pagan society as well my friend. The Greeks translated iesous because they did not speak Hebrew. What is the difference between what they did (Latins) and what you did? You may not agree with the RC, ok, but that does not mean the translation of His name is wrong. Your name is Francis, correct? Are the French wrong for calling you Francois? Or the Spanish for saying Francisco? Now if they GAVE Jesus a new name like "Jeremiah" or something not even close or could be translated as something competey different in its meaning then ok. But you my friend really need to think this through. I call you my friend since you won't let me call you brother.
Joshua is Enlgish, not Greek, its the same thing.
You know the word "love" and all worldly and/or religious ones use and abuse that word!
The following is a link that reveals The Love The Messiah had for such:
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/06/love-messiah-had-for-religious-ones.html
And you, one who practices double-speak, and who with "'con'venient words and fair speech seeks to deceive the hearts of the simple". You have portion with such worldly religious ones!
Yet it's hard to believe that one could be so dense and blind concerning the name of The Messiah!
Simply, your pagan "jesus" is the transliteration of the the pagan latin catholic "iesus"!
ALL pagan greek manuscripts use "iesous" as the name for both "Joshua" of the old covenant and "Joshua" The Messiah of the NEW Covenant!
So if in your current state of unbelief you wish to call one "jesus", at the very least you needs declare the other to be "jesus" as well!
Of course pharisee's and hypocrites care not for order for they follow the author of dis-order and every evil work!
Simply sad for you for you have already revealed that you have never experienced The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The TRUTH" and so it is you remain bound in the chains of strong delusion that is of this evil world and religion's way!
Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!
Except for the reprobate that is, for all such have blasphemed The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.......
For ALL others, HOPE IS!
For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
"Whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of Our Father and GOD"! (James 4:4)
For "the WHOLE world (not just a portion) is under the control of the evil one"! (I John 5:19)
"Come Out of her, MY people!"
Father Help! and HE does.......
Seriously?
First of all I am fine with saying the Messiah's name is Joshua. But you are a hypocrite. You say it was worng for Latins to translate Greek into their language and yet you accept the English version as true. If you were consistent then you need to call the Messiah Y'hoshua.
Secondly, did you really call me the enemy?
Father HELP! Let's hope He does, with you because if you want to show the love of God then you actually need to show love.
Sorry Francois. I think I am done talking to you. For someone who was told to make disciples of all men by Joshua you are not doing a very good job.
Repent.
PS.
If Jesus is still translated as "Savior" then it is His name too.
Enemy indeed! All liars and deceivers liken unto you are the enemy!
Read your own post you lyin,g pharisaical hypocritical catholic and christian clone!
You know the word "love" and all worldly and/or religious ones use and abuse that word!
The following is a link that reveals The Love The Messiah had for such:
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/06/love-messiah-had-for-religious-ones.html
And you, one who practices double-speak, and who with "'con'venient words and fair speech seeks to deceive the hearts of the simple". You have portion with such worldly religious ones!
Yet it's hard to believe that one could be so dense and blind concerning the name of The Messiah!
Simply, your pagan "jesus" is the transliteration of the the pagan latin catholic "iesus" not the pagan greek "iesous"!
ALL pagan greek manuscripts use "iesous" as the name for both "Joshua" of the old covenant and "Joshua" The Messiah of the NEW Covenant!
So if in your current state of unbelief you wish to call one or them "jesus", at the very least you needs declare the other to be "jesus" as well!
Of course pharisee's and hypocrites care not for order for they follow the author of dis-order and every evil work!
Simply sad for you for you have already revealed that you have never experienced The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The TRUTH" and so it is you remain bound in the chains of strong delusion that is of this evil world and religion's way!
Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!
Except for the reprobate that is, for all such have blasphemed The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.......
For ALL others, HOPE IS!
For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
What I want to know is what does the word Jesus mean?
Can you answer without all the broken sentences, copying and pasting, and links to your blog?
Can you just give an answer without using "simply" and "sad" in your response?
Can you respond in a loving and kind way that is commanded for us to do?
Can you actually answer the question that is being asked and not change the focus?
What does "Jesus" mean?
If you can not answer it in the way described above then do not answer at all please.
If you are unable to do it in the manner described above then we know your real identity and we know your credibility.
Thank you.
Yes Brenda, so it should be!
The Lord has summoned ALL of us to come before Him and REASON (Isa. 1:18). Believers with believers and unbelievers alike, whether pagans or atheists, the saved or the unsaved, in order that those who are not saved might be saved and those who are far from the Lord Jesus be brought near and those who are saved be sharpened and pruned so that we might stand as lights in this evil and wicked world.
Brother Tim, In English Joshua is one name and Jesus is another name, but in English the Messiahs Name is Jesus and we all speak English.
Satan does not hate the name of Joshua, but he hates the Name of the only God, which is JESUS.
He knows that there is no other Name given in heaven and on earth whereby we must be saved. Therefore, when Satan and his disciples blaspheme the Name of God, they always and without fail blaspheme the Name Jesus. I have never ever heard a blasphemer say 'Joshua Christ', or any other name for that sake.
Satan and his disciples slowly and systematically separate the Name 'JESUS' from their preaching and even from their blogs.
They slowly replace the Name JESUS from their speech and testimony to a TITLE, called 'GOD'.
The title 'God' is no offence to anyone, but the NAME JESUS is.
If you don't believe me, just listen to their preaching and read their blogs and take special attention on how many times they mention 'Jesus' in comparison to 'God'.
It seems to me as they are ashamed of His Name, or perhaps they are deceived by the trinity doctrine which is the cause of all godlessness.
Mormons, Moslem's, Christians and all cults etc. they all preach 'God'. Yeah, I always ask them 'WHICH GOD?'
The word God has a different meaning to different people, but the true God's Name 'JESUS' is fixed to one person Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Brother elderchild, it would be good and beneficial if you try to be reasonable. Not everybody who holds a different point of view to yours is a liar, hypocrite or a deceiver.
It was the Church leaders, the Pharisees who forbid the disciples of Jesus and gave them strict orders not to preach His NAME (Acts 5:28).
Remember what the Lord Jesus said, 'as far as you have said that to the least of those of mine, you have said it to me'.
It is better for you to state your belief in simple language so that we all can understand it and compare it to the Scriptures.
All of us believe in the Scriptures and we will bow our knees to the Scriptures and repent if convicted and proven to be in error.
Please give me a simple answer to a simple question.
You said, 'Father help'.
Tell me, who is your Father and what is His Name?
Paul,
That is what I am saying too. We say it in Enlgish because that is what we speak. If I was Hebrew I would say Yeshua or Yhoshua and sometimes I still do. But to say that we have to say it is Joshua because Latin or Greek use THEIR language and they were pagan is no different. The English were pagan too so therefore the translation of Joshua is just as wrong. I appreciate your words.
I think satan hates any name that is above his!!! He hates you too because you are above him since Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua, or Jesu, or Jezu, or whatever the Chinese say as well died for you. I pray many times saying Yeshua and I know satan flees at that point.
That is right Paul,
for God so loved the world and wants none to perish. Also, within that discussion, we shall come to know who is true and genuine. For by their fruits we shall know them.
Paul, you and all others bound in the strong delusion that is the pagan 'jesus' are but pagan catholic clones who more than likely have already sold your souls for your love of this evil world and it's things!
For your "imag"ined 'jesus' is the name pagan catholicism and her #1 harlot christian daughter (the aptly name church OF england) gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago!
And sadly, there are many who "Come Out" of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters physically, yet spiritually they remain bound in the chains of their strong delusion! (II Corinthians 6:17)
Consider "The Word of Truth"! (James 1:18)
"He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ."" (John 1:41)
"The Messias (this is a pagan greek word), which being INTERPRETED is the Christ"? (John 1:41b)
SUCH IS A LIE! For the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but butchered that pagan greek word!
"interpret" = to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate.
AND the translators did not transliterate the greek "Messias" into the english "Messiah"!
John 1:41 should be translated, "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found The Messiah!" (which is being INTERPRETED The Anointed One)."
And then in John 4:25 - "The woman said unto him, I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ. When He is come, He will tell us all things."
The proper translation is, "I know that The Messiah is coming, who is called The Anointed One. When He is come, He will tell us all things." (John 4:25)
Why did they once again butcher, rather than INTERPRET, the pagan greek word "christos"?
And why would anyone believe in the name 'jesus' which was transliterated from the pagan latin catholic word "iesus" when in all the pagan greek manuscripts The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name is referred to as "Iesous"?
Quite evident that the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is but the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus", not the pagan greek "iesous"!
A pagan latin catholic name("iesus"), rather than the right and proper pagan greek name ("iesous"), was used in the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name into english! From a pagan greek manuscript!
Translating from a pagan greek manuscript and using a pagan latin word?
NO question that such is of "babel/confusion/babylon\world\religion"!
Such is the pagan catholic and christian way.......
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/08/who-is-this-pagan-catholic-and.html
And the devil's work is most certainly done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!
"the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", "the author of dis-order" and "every evil work", most certainly has had his way with the religious ones! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44, James 3:16)
Quite evident that the pagan greek word "iesous" represented the Hebrew word translated as "Joshua" in english language translations of what this world calls it's 'bible', and clearly "Joshua" of the old covenant and The Messiah both bore the same Hebrew birth name!
Simply, Joshua (in today's english) IS The Messiah, "The Son of The Living GOD"! (Matthew 16:16)
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Strike One. I will repeat by copying and pasting what I already said. That seems to be the key to talking to you Francois.
What I want to know is what does the word Jesus mean?
Can you answer without all the broken sentences, copying and pasting, and links to your blog?
Can you just give an answer without using "simply" and "sad" in your response?
Can you respond in a loving and kind way that is commanded for us to do?
Can you actually answer the question that is being asked and not change the focus?
What does "Jesus" mean?
If you can not answer it in the way described above then do not answer at all please.
If you are unable to do it in the manner described above then we know your real identity and we know your credibility.
Thank you.
Paul, you and all others bound in the strong delusion that is the pagan 'jesus' are but pagan catholic clones who more than likely have already sold your souls for your love of this evil world and it's things!
For your "imag"ined 'jesus' is the name pagan catholicism and her #1 harlot christian daughter (the aptly name church OF england) gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago!
And sadly, there are many who "Come Out" of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters physically, yet spiritually they remain bound in the chains of their strong delusion! (II Corinthians 6:17)
Consider "The Word of Truth"! (James 1:18)
"He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found the Messias, which being INTERPRETED is the Christ."" (John 1:41)
"The Messias (this is a pagan greek word), which being INTERPRETED is the Christ"? (John 1:41b)
SUCH IS A LIE! For the translators did not INTERPRET the greek word "christos", they but butchered that pagan greek word!
"interpret" = to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate.
AND the translators did not transliterate the greek "Messias" into the english "Messiah"!
John 1:41 should be translated, "He first found his own brother Simon, and said unto him, "We have found The Messiah!" (which is being INTERPRETED The Anointed One)."
And then in John 4:25 - "The woman said unto him, I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ. When He is come, He will tell us all things."
The proper translation is, "I know that The Messiah is coming, who is called The Anointed One. When He is come, He will tell us all things." (John 4:25)
Why did they once again butcher, rather than INTERPRET, the pagan greek word "christos"?
And why would anyone believe in the name 'jesus' which was transliterated from the pagan latin catholic word "iesus" when in all the pagan greek manuscripts The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name is referred to as "Iesous"?
Quite evident that the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is but the transliteration of the pagan latin catholic "iesus", not the pagan greek "iesous"!
A pagan latin catholic name("iesus"), rather than the right and proper pagan greek name ("iesous"), was used in the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name into english! From a pagan greek manuscript!
Translating from a pagan greek manuscript and using a pagan latin word?
NO question that such is of "babel/confusion/babylon\world\religion"!
Such is the pagan catholic and christian way.......
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/08/who-is-this-pagan-catholic-and.html
And the devil's work is most certainly done in the name of "jesus christ" his "imag"ined son!
"the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", "the author of dis-order" and "every evil work", most certainly has had his way with the religious ones! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44, James 3:16)
Quite evident that the pagan greek word "iesous" represented the Hebrew word translated as "Joshua" in english language translations of what this world calls it's 'bible', and clearly "Joshua" of the old covenant and The Messiah both bore the same Hebrew birth name!
Simply, Joshua (in today's english) IS The Messiah, "The Son of The Living GOD"! (Matthew 16:16)
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-messias-which-being-interpreted-is.html
Yes. That is how a mature follower of "Joshua" responds.
Whatever...
Bottom line is you're wrong and you can't admit the fact that you are doing the same thing you are accusing Latins and Greeks of doing.
Time to move on here kids.
Thanks for the topic Paul. Brenda, good answers. Sev, you are saved because you are loved and accept that fact. Stay strong and hold to truth.
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Sadly, you're at, and more than likely below the bottom line.......
For "whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of Our Father and GOD"! (James 4:4)
Sadly, you have your portion with those who "love their own life in and of this evil world", those "whose god is their bellies and whose glory is in their shame for they mind earthly things"! (John 12:25, Philippians 3:19)
So it is you abide in The LIE that is the pagan catholic and christian "imag"ined "jesus christ" as you pay homage unto the "god of this evil world", he who is "the father of lies", "dis-order and every evil work"! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 7:7, John 8:44, James 3:16)
Braindirtied to the utmost you but serve time in the prison that is this evil world as you remain bound in the chains of strong delusion that is religion's way!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/10/taking-bait-and-lies-are-swallowed-hook.html
Simply sad for you.......
Tim,
I have enjoyed very much your participation in this discussion.
God bless you for sharing
Yes Tim, I know that we are on the same page on that.
Francis,
John 1:41. yes Andrew brought his brother Simeon to the Messiah who is called the Christ. But please read the next verse (42) "he brought him to 'JESUS'. JESUS looked at him.........".
Here you can see that he brought him to JESUS and not to Joshua.
I know that you don't believe that JESUS is the Christ.
The Christ is the one of whom the prophets of God prophesied that He will be born into His own creation through a virgin at the appropriate time. 'And you shall name Him JESUS'! (Luke 1:31)
Zechariah said , "And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His Name the only Name. (Zec.14:9)"
Now, what Name is that?
The entire Bible said, it is JESUS!
Francis, I know that you don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God, you make that clear by saying "of what this world calls it's 'bible',"
You see, if the Bible is not the authority over you for correction and teaching in doctrine and in conduct, then who is??
The alternative is that you become the measuring rod above the Scriptures.
It troubles me immensely when you will not and can not give me the Name of your Father who is in heaven.
The reason is that you you don't know who your Father is.
In the natural, if you don't know your fathers name, you are considered an illegitimate son.
In the spiritual it is the same, if you don't know the Name of your Father who is in heaven, you are considered an illegitimate son.
If you disown Jesus Christ to be your heavenly Father, he will disown you as a son, and only sons have an inheritance in Christ.
Paul
He "brought him to "Iesous"! And "Iesous" was also the pagan greek name that already had been translated as Joshua in the english versions of the old convenant!
Joshua, in modern english, was the GOD given birth name of The Messiah!
And Immanuel(Joshua) The Messiah Is The Son of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL(Messiah inclusive)!
You're a sad, sick man paul bound in the chains of strong delusion that propagates "emotional salvation". And so it is you continue to war against The Truth!
You have already proven yourself to be a liar and more than likely you are also of the perverse reprobates who propagate religion's way!
Yet The Messiah loved the likes of you even though you seek to kill His Testimony as you evermore pervert that which is of The TRUTH!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/06/love-messiah-had-for-religious-ones.html
Simply sad for you.......
Yes Francis, the Messiah loves 'the likes like me'.
And for this reason the Messiah JESUS came into this world to lay down His life for sinners just like me.
He did not come into this world to save the good people, but wretches like me and for that reason I sing 'Amazing grace that saved a wretch like me'!
Where there is life, there is hope.
Paul
And here is The Love The Messiah bestowed, and yet bestows, upon the likes of you who have proven themselves to be but "con"venient speakers!
Matthew 23:13-35 - "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men, for you don't go in yourselves, and when others try to enter in, you seek to prevent them.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer, therefore you shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell that you yourselves are.
Woe unto you, you blind guides, which say, "Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing, but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
You blind fools, for what is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
And, whoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
You fools and blind, for what is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
Whoever therefore shall swear by the altar, swears by it, and by all things that are on the altar.
And whoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it, and by HIM that dwells in the temple.
And he that shall swear by Heaven, swears by The Throne of Our Father and GOD, and by HIM WHO sits upon The Throne.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith, these you ought to have done, yet not to leave the other undone.
You blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
You blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are liken unto whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so you also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the tombs of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Therefore you are witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children of them which killed the prophets. You are but filling up the measure of your fathers.
You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?
Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you shall kill and crucify, and some of them you shall scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar." (Matthew 23:13-35)
Yes! The Messiah LOVED them!
He LOVED them enough to tell them The Truth even though He knew they wanted to kill Him!
And so it remains unto this day for you paul.......
For you still seek and desire to crucify The Truth.......
Yet, Thankfully Truth Will Always Rise Again!
ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!
Father Help! and HE does.......
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The Messiah testified, "I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My GOD and your GOD"! (John 20:17)
And The Messiah bore witness unto "The ONLY TRUE GOD"!(John 17:3)
Thankfully i have received my portion with The Messiah and His brethren in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Ephesians 3:15)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Yes Francis, surely you have received your portion, but not with the Messiah Jesus Christ.
If you would love the Messiah Jesus Christ, then you would also love me for I am His representative.
But as it is, you are spewing your venom at me just as it is written, 'out of the abundance of the heart the mouth is speaking'.
It is not difficult to know who has made his abode in your heart.
Paul
The "imag"ined 'jesus christ' is but the devil's son in bland disguise!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/08/who-is-this-pagan-catholic-and.html
And you most certainly represent the devil's son for you have you have your portion with the perverse paul!
And here is The Love The Messiah bestowed, and yet bestows, upon the likes of you who have proven themselves to be but "con"venient speakers who fabricate lies!
Matthew 23:13-35 - "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men, for you don't go in yourselves, and when others try to enter in, you seek to prevent them.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer, therefore you shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell that you yourselves are.
Woe unto you, you blind guides, which say, "Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing, but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
You blind fools, for what is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
And, whoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
You fools and blind, for what is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
Whoever therefore shall swear by the altar, swears by it, and by all things that are on the altar.
And whoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it, and by HIM that dwells in the temple.
And he that shall swear by Heaven, swears by The Throne of Our Father and GOD, and by HIM WHO sits upon The Throne.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith, these you ought to have done, yet not to leave the other undone.
You blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
You blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are liken unto whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so you also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the tombs of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Therefore you are witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children of them which killed the prophets. You are but filling up the measure of your fathers.
You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?
Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you shall kill and crucify, and some of them you shall scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar." (Matthew 23:13-35)
Yes! The Messiah LOVED them!
He LOVED them enough to tell them The Truth even though He knew they wanted to kill Him!
And so it remains unto this day for you paul.......
For you still seek and desire to crucify The Truth.......
Yet, Thankfully Truth Will Always Rise Again!
ALL Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!
Father Help! and HE does.......
Paul,
My suggestion is let him go. He is not saying the truth in love. He is condemning and the clearly warns against that. He has no original idea. He has no basis for his word if all he can do is paste and copy and never answer the real questions without condemnation. Not very Joshua-like. Not very Jesus-like either.
Let him go. Let him get the last word in. You know the truth. Turn the cheek. If he is of God then his ego will not feel the need to keep pasting. If he is not of God, watch his ego keep going.
Tim is but a typical american christian clone!
And liken unto wo-man, with his words he seeks to be a man-ipulator as well!
His own blogs reveal he yet remains bound in the chains of strong delusion that is the "american way"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2007/10/declaration-of-dependence.html
Sadly, in what would rightly be called a demonocracy the majority rule, and the majority are hell bound! For "strait is the gate, and Narrow is The Way, which leads unto Life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:14)
And "whoever would be a friend of this evil world is the enemy of Our Father and GOD"! For "The WHOLE world (not just a portion) is under the control of the evil one"! (James 4:4, I John 5:19; 2:15-17, John 7:7)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2013/05/love-not-world.html
"Come out of her, MY people"!
Father Help! and HE does.......
Sadly, "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of pagan "catholicism" and her harlot "christian" daughters! (II Pet 2:1-3)
A prime reason being their "imag"ined "jesus christ" is not The Messiah! It was some five hundred years ago that they named one head of their "imag"ined three-headed pagan god(s), "jesus", during a time that has been called the "reformation". Prior to that time there was no "j" sound in the english language!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/12/who-is-author-of-confusion.html
Yet the "reformation" was an aptly named time! For it was a time when the pagan catholic priests of "catholicism" birthed her harlot "christian" daughters! So it is that her "christian" daughters are of her substance!
During the reformation "catholicism's" substance was merely "reformed" so that her "christian" daughters might appear a bit different outwardly, yet inwardly they remained liken unto their harlot mother!
"christianity" is but the byproduct of the fornicative relationship pagan "catholicism" has always had with "the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", he who is "the angel of light", he who is "d"evil spirit that rules over this evil world and it's systems of religion! (II Cor 4:4, John 8:44; 7:7, James 4:4, I John 5:19)
There is but ONE "Pure Religion and Undefiled"! And such is not a system but a sharing of that which the brethren of The Messiah have "seen (experienced) and heard (received)"....... Those "great things Our Father and GOD has done for us"! And we share such with the brethren, and also with those who have no relationship with Our Father and GOD and HIS Begotten Son The Messiah! (James 1:27, Luke 8:39, Rev 3:14)
YES! There IS only One "Pure Religion and Undefiled"! (James 1:27)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
Simply, ALL other religion IS IMPURE and DEFILED!
So it is that ALL other religion, muslin, jewish, buddhist, catholic, christian ,etc, IS anti-messiah!
Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
Those they cloned have fought, killed and died, both near and far!
And then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
Yet as hypocrites they begin each new day!
Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
For in a "religious system" The Truth can not abide!
And so the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play.......
For history has revealed, and yet reveals that multiplied billions have been killed and enslaved (in physical chains at times, yet primarily in the chains of strong delusion that are the commandments and doctrines of men) in the name of the god(s) of this, or that religion!
Proving that the fruit of death and enslavement are bore of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!
However, 'religion' was, and IS yet needful!
As IS government and politics, for all the "disobedient and gainsaying (covetous) people" who are "stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart and ears"! And for all those who would rather have a man, than "Our Father and GOD", speak to and rule over them! (Rom 10:21, Acts 7:51, Ex 20:19, l Sam 8:4-21)
Those of The Faith will not become involved with government or politics, nor will they create a religion, for The Faithful are Family!
What are The Messiah, His brothers and sisters, and "Our Father and GOD", if not Family? (John 20:17)
The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph 3:14-15)
Continued @ http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2007/09/christianity-is-anti-messiah.html
Thanks brother Tim for your good advice.
Remember what the Lord Jesus said, 'My sheep hear My voice, and if anyone else speaks, they do not go after them' (John 10:5 and 27).
Through many years of closely walking with the Lord Jesus, I have learned how to arouse the devil so that he will manifest and show his true colour so that everyone can clearly see it for who he is.
If Satan has quoted the Scriptures to the Lord JESUS, what do you think he will do to those who believe in His Name 'JESUS'?
You see brother Tim, Francis comments are a demonstration from the Lord Jesus to show you and everyone who reads this post that my testimony concerning Jesus Christ is true.
Antichrist means against Jesus Christ and also in place of Jesus Christ.
The Catholic Pope is 'IN PLACE' of Jesus Christ because he calls himself 'HOLY FATHER', a title which only belongs to Jesus Christ.
But Francis, (I don't mean Pope Francis) he is 'AGAINST' Jesus Christ, that is because he hates His Name and writes His Name with a little 'j'. and therefore he hates all those who are called by His Name and he also writes their names christians, with a little 'c'.
Just read Francis comments and you will see that it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to say "Jesus is Lord".
You see my brother, Trinitarians are deceived, but Francis is NOT deceived.
For anyone who is deceived, there is correction and repentance, but for the one who is NOT deceived there is no correction or repentance, for them it is impossible to come to the knowledge of the truth, that is because they hate the truth, and the truth is NOT a theory, or a doctrine, or a point of view, but it is the person of Jesus Christ just as He has said "I am the TRUTH" (John 14:6).
(Eph. 3:14-15) "For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom His whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name."
Tim, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for Francis to tell me 'its NAME'.
Paul
DISCLAIMER: The following testimony is given regarding the religious systems of this wicked world. Submitted for revelation, not condemnation of individuals held captive by the "strong delusion" that is but religion's way. Hope is there would be those who would "see" and "hear", for all who do so will take heed unto The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL! They will take heed unto HIS CALL to "Come Out of her, MY people"! Those who "see" and "hear" will "Come Out" of this evil world and it's religious systems. No longer will they have their portion in and of this wicked world(babylon) and it's "imag"ined religions, for they will have "set their affections on Heavenly things"! And those who "Come Out" will have REALized that their "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven", and so it is they will choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on this earth" indeed and Truth....... (James 1:27, II Thessalonians 2:11, John 17:3, Revelations 18:4, II Corinthians 6:17, I John 5:19, Colossians 3:1-2, Philippians 3:20, I Peter 2:11, Hebrews 11:13)
So who is this pagan catholic, christian, mormon, jw, pentecostal, baptist, anglican, etc... 'jesus'?
Truth is that the name "jesus" is the transliteration into english of a pagan catholic latin word "iesus"!
And such is but one of a multitude of prejudicial errors that reveal all biblical translations from pagan greek manuscripts are biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators.......
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html
For the pagan latin catholic mother of christianity had control of all so-called "original" pagan greek manuscripts for more that one thousand years after The Messiah DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY" just as He promised; when that which was "decaying and waxing old" DID "vanish way" with the destruction of the earthly, natural, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem! (Revelations 3:11, Hebrews 8:13)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-come-quickly.html
Consider, those 'bibles' translated from pagan greek manuscripts. Why is it that most all of those 'bibles' transliterate The Name of The Messiah as "jesus"? That question needs be asked because as stated previously the name "jesus" is the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth name from the pagan catholic latin word "iesus"!
And the pagan greek "Iesous" is the word used as the name of The Messiah is in all greek manuscripts!
The correct and proper transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth name from the pagan greek manuscripts would be "jesous" in modern day english, yet such would still would be in error because 'jesous' is a transliteration of the pagan greek version of The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth name.......
Yet pagan catholicism chose to use the latin "iesus" as the name of one head of her "imag"ined three-headed pagan god(s), which is also the god(s) of the majority of her harlot christian daughter's as well!
Who, or what, gave the translators the liberty, or the authority to use the pagan latin 'iesus', rather than the pagan greek 'Iesous' in the transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth Name into the english language from pagan greek manuscripts?
Truth IS the name 'jesus' was first "imag"ined less than six hundred years ago! Truth IS there was no 'j' sound in the english language prior to that time! Truth IS the name 'jesus' was not spoken for more than 1400 years after The Messiah ascended unto HIS GOD and Father, HE WHO IS "Our Father and GOD"!
Continued in next post:
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/08/name-of-messiah.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/12/who-is-author-of-confusion.html
And The Messiah's GOD is The GOD of His Brethren, and The Messiah's Father is The Father of His Brethren. And The Messiah, "ascended to His GOD and Father" and was "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD" and the "first-born of many Brethren"....... (John 20:17, Revelations 3:14, Romans 8:29)
"Let There Be Light" and "there was Light"! (Genesis 1:3)
GOD, HE WHO IS LIGHT Begot Light....... (I John 1:5)
The Messiah, "The Light which enlightens every man born......" (John 1:9)
The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD"....... (Revelations 3:14)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-word-of-god-let-there-be-light.html
The Messiah was "the mediator between The Only True GOD and man", and when Our Father "raised Him from among the dead", "The Kingdom of GOD's Dear Son in Heaven" WAS! (I Timothy 2:5, Acts 13:30, Colossians 1:13)
Yet when the earthly, natural, temporal temple realm centered in old jerusalem was destroyed "The Messiah delivered up The Kingdom unto Our Father and GOD so that HE might once again be ALL IN ALL", just as Paul had prophesied ! (I Corinthians 15:24-28)
The Messiah DID "Come Again" and "QUICKLY" just as He prophesied! (Revelations 3:11)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-come-quickly.html
"The Kingdom of Our Father and GOD in Heaven" HAD "Come" and IS !NOW!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-of-new-covenant-and-new-covenant.html
And so it is that we, "the brethren of The Messiah", and "sons of Our Father and GOD", can now commune with Our Father for our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and so it is we choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth"! (Philippians 3:20, I Peter 2:11, Hebrews 11:13)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
Father Help! and HE does.......
Simply, The Messiah's GOD given Hebrew birth Name when translated into today's english would be Joshua....... The greek word "Iesous" used for the Name of The Messiah is the same pagan greek word first used in the greek septuagint translation of The Old Covenant for "Joshua the son of Nun"!
Should not The Begotten Son of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL be called by The Name given to Him by His Father and GOD, HE WHO IS "Our Father and GOD"? (John 20:17)
The Messiah was, and is "The Begotten Son of The ONE and Only True Living GOD", and as there is Only ONE True GOD, so also there is only One True Begotten Messiah. And His GOD given Hebrew birth name was Joshua (in today's english)!
And Joshua(Iesous) The Messiah IS The Only Begotten Son of The ONE and Only True Living GOD(SPIRIT) and Father (CREATOR) of ALL! (Matthew 16:16)
And it was, and is as The Messiah testified, "I ascend to My GOD and your GOD, to My Father and your Father"! (John 20:17)
"Our Father and GOD" indeed and TRUTH!
Continued in next post:
Truth also testifies that the name 'jesus' was first "imag"ined during a time "the god of this world (he who is "the father of lies")" and his 'catholic and christian' religion's have declared to be the "reformation". Prior to the "reformation" there was no 'j' sound in the english language and there never has been a 'j' sound or letter in the pagan greek or the Hebrew language! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44)
"Reformation" is a right word indeed for 'catholicism' was re-formed, in the sense of being restructured and made to appear different outwardly. Yet the various "re-formed" pagan 'christian' religions were, and are, her offspring! And they all bear the mark of one head of pagan catholicism's three headed pagan god(s)! For as there catholic mother, they name one head of their three headed pagan god 'jesus', or they make the "imag"ined 'jesus' their god and father, or they declare their version of the "imag"ined 'jesus' to be but an angel or prophet ?OR?
Simply, Joshua (in today's english) IS The Messiah, The Son of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL(Messiah inclusive)! (Matthew 16:16, Genesis 1:3, Revelations 3:14, John 17:5)
So it is that all of pagan catholicism's harlot christian daughters are but "imag"ined systems of religion fornicating with "the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", he who is the author of "dis-order and "every evil work"! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44, James 3:16)
Pagan 'catholicism' and her harlot 'christian' daughters but fornicate with "the god of this world" because "they love this world and it's things", and "they love their own lives in and of this evil, wicked world"! (I John 2:15-17, John 12:25)
And TRUTH testifies, "whoever will be a friend of this world is the enemy of Our Father and GOD"! (James 4:4)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/03/brethren-of-messiah-love-not-world.html
The Messiah testified that "the world was evil", and that His brethren were "in, yet not of, this world". (John 7:7, John 12:25, Galatians 1:4)
And The Messiah ascended to His GOD and Father.......
And The Messiah's GOD and Father is also The GOD and Father of His brethren. (John 2o:17)
And The Messiah's GOD and Father IS "The ONLY TRUE GOD", HE WHO has no 'god' or 'father', for HE IS "The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/08/one-and-only-true-g-d-fathercreator-of.html
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-is-lord-g-d-almighty.html
Sadly, pagan catholic and christian folklore has bound multitudes in the chains of strong delusion for they have not received "a love of The Truth"! (II Thessalonians 2:10)
Some of their theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies, perverse beliefs and traditions follow:
"Truth" Testifies: "The Messiah is The Son of The Living GOD!" (Matthew 16:16)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
'jesus' is 'god' or 1/3 of a 'god' or an angel or ????
"Truth" Testifies: "Love your enemies! Turn the other cheek"! (Matthew 5:39,44)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
alright to fight fleshly wars... kill the infidels!
"Truth" Testifies: "The world is evil"! "Come Out of her"! (John 7:7, Rev 18:4)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
we can change this world and make it a 'better' place...
Continued in next post:
"Truth" Testifies: "The whole world is under the control of the evil one"! (I John 5:19)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
there are righteous nations, the usa and others...
"Truth" Testifies: "Love not the world or the things of this world"! (I John 2:15)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
love this world and thank their 'god' for it's things...
"Truth" Testifies: Pagans "observe days, months and years"! (Galatians 4:9-11)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
observe christmas, easter, halloween, 'good' friday, etc...
"Truth" Testifies: "Serve The Only True GOD and HIM alone"! (Matthew 4:10,6:24)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
serve family, country and their "imag"ined god(s)...
"Truth" Testifies: GOD asks, "What building will you build unto ME"? (Acts 7:49)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
various buildings dedicated to their "imag"ined 'god'...
"Truth" Testifies: "As The Messiah suffered so His Brethren will suffer"!" (I Peter 4:1)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
eat, drink, be merry, especially during x-mass season...
"Truth" Testifies: "GOD helps those who cry unto HIM for help"! (Luke 18:7)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
'god' helps those who help themselves...
"Truth Testifies": "I can do nothing of mine own self"! (John 5:19,30)
'catholic/christian" folklore:
"i do my best and leave the rest to god(s)"...
"Truth" Testifies: "NO man has seen The Only True GOD"! (John 1:18)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
many saw their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus'...
"Truth" Testifies: "GOD is Spirit, not flesh and bones"! (John 4:24, Luke 24:39)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
except for their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus' that is...
"Truth" Testifies: "When you pray do so in private"! (Matthew 6:6)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
pray aloud so that others might hear...
"Truth" Testifies: "Swear not! Let your yes, be yes, your no, no"! (Matthew 5:34-37)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
put your hand on their 'bible' and swear to their 'god'...
"Truth" Testifies: "Believers are translated into The Kingdom"! (Colossians 1:13)
"catholic/christian" folklore:
after death they sleep till their "imag"ined 'jesus' comes...
The Messiah testified, "That they might know YOU, The ONLY TRUE GOD, and The Messiah, Whom YOU have sent"! (John 17:3)
And The Messiah testified, "Love Your Enemies"!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2007/09/love-your-enemies.html
Yet history has revealed, and yet reveals, that multiplied billions have been killed and enslaved(both in natural chains and the chains of strong delusion that are religion's theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies) in the name of the god(s) of this, or that religion!
islam, judaism, catholicism, christianity, buddhism, and all other religions but serve "the father of lies", he who is "the god of this wicked, evil world"! (II Corinthians 4:4, John 8:44, James 3:16)
Religious systems of this world and all alike they are,
for they have fought, killed and died both near and far;
And then once a week or multiple times a day they may pray,
yet then as hypocrites they begin each new day;
Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
for in their religious systems Truth cannot abide;
And so the fruit of death and enslavement are bore of their religious ways,
because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!
"Come out from among them and be separate!" (II Corinthians 6:17)
Continued in next post:
For there is but One "Pure Religion and Undefiled"! (James 1:27)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
Simply, ALL other religion IS "IMPURE and DEFILED"!
It needs be REALized that "Pure and Undefiled" religion is personal("oneself"), a brother or sister doing The Will of Our Father, led of HIS Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.......
And "Brothers and Sisters" is not "religion", for what are Brothers and Sisters if not Family?
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html
And would not The Family of The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL, be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?
Simply, The Faithful will not create a religion, for The Faithful ARE Family!
So it is that the BORN AGAIN "sons of Our Father and GOD" have their portion with The Messiah in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (I Peter 1:23, John 20:17, Ephesians 3:15)
And NEW "Jerusalem which IS above IS free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Galatians 4:26)
Simply that which is declared to be "religion" today is of mankind's "imag"ination, and mankind's "imag"ination is the devil's playground....... (Romans 1:21, II Corinthians 10:5)
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-have-been-accused-of-being-member-of.html
The multitudes have been seduced by " the commandments and doctrines of men" created by the devil's theo'ry'logical advocates, whose "imag"ined systems of religion but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's!
Sadly, such theo'ry'logical systems of religion have bound the common people in the chains of "strong delusion" and so it is that they but serve 'time' in the prison that is this world!
The Only True GOD has given HIS Call to "Come Out of her, MY people" unto all who are held captive by this wicked, evil world(babylon) and it's seductive religious systems, and especially the ones known as "catholicism" and "christianity", yet all 'religious systems' have their portion with the "many anti-messiah's" that John bore witness of in I John 2:18.......
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/05/come-out-of-her-my-people.html
However, because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters, "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of"! (II Peter 2:1-3)
"The mother of harlots", "catholicism", and her "protesting" "christian" daughters, as well as today's "judaism" and "islam", are but seductive harlots fornicating with 'the god of this world'!
They believe in, and are authors of, death!
Yet The Messiah testified, "Whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die!"
And then He questioned, "Do you believe this?" (John 11:26)
YES! And you....... Do you believe?
Continued in next post:
The Only True GOD and Father of ALL, would have us "set our affections on things above", Heavenly things, just as The Messiah did....... (Colossians 3:2)
And the "BORN AGAIN" children of "Our Father and GOD" have quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this wicked world, for their desires are no longer for that which is temporal! For they have REALized that they have been translated into HIS Kingdom, and so it is they seek and desire that which The Messiah desired above all else:
"Father, not my will. But THY Will Be Done"....... (Luke 22:42)
Simply, the children of The ONE and Only True GOD(SPIRIT) and Father(Creator) of ALL have taken heed unto HIS Call to "Come Out of her, MY people!" (Revelations 18:4)
They have "Come Out" of that which is of this wicked, evil world and especially it's religions, for they REALize that "the WHOLE (not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one"....... (I John 5:19)
And while breath is, Hope IS!
For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen!
Hope is there would be those who would "set their affections on things above", Heavenly things! For all who do so will quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this world! (Colossians 3:1-3)
Worldly systems but feed "the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life" and all such systems are of mankind's "imag"ination! (I John 2:15-17, James 4:4)
And mankind's "imag"ination is under the dominion of "the father of lies", he who is "the god of this world", he who is "d"evil spirit of darkness that genders but death, destruction, perversion, fear, greed, lust, lies,,,,,"dis-order, and every evil work"!
Sadly, mankind's "imag"ination is destroying Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Truth, Light, Life, Love, Peace, Mercy, Faith, Grace,,,,,, All that is Truly GOOD)!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2009/07/simply-progress-so-called-is-destroying.html
Repent and take heed unto The Only True GOD's Call to "Come Out of her, MY people"!
Come out of that which is of this perverse, destructive, evil world and especially it's religions!
Once again, "Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless (children who know not their Father[Creator] and GOD) and widows (those whose 'bridegroom' has died and not risen again) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world......." (James 1:27)
Simply, ALL other religion is impure and defiled!
http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2008/10/pure-and-undefiled-religion.html
So heed The Call of The Only True GOD and:
"Come Out of her(babel/dis-order/babylon\world\religion), MY people!" (Revelations 18:4)
And experience Peace! in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(I John 5:19)
Thankfully Truth IS! a lie is not.......
Abide in Truth....... francis
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