ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST ! (1 Corinthians 8:6)
I Cor. 8:6 'ONE LORD, Jesus Christ'!
The Scriptures said, ONE LORD, Jesus
Christ!
The Scriptures does NOT say that there
are TWO Lords, but only ONE LORD and He is the ONLY sovereign LORD
(Jude 1:4).
In this world we have many men who are
called lord or have a title 'lord', but in the Scriptures there is
only ONE who is the sovereign Lord and that is the LORD Jesus Christ
of Nazareth (Jude 1:4). That means, that the Lord Jesus Christ is
above every other one.
“1 Cor. 8:5-6
'For if there are so called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as
indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us is but ONE God,
the FATHER, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and ONE
LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are ALL things, and we exist through Him.”
In the Scriptures
the title LORD means GOD, Lord is just another word and title for GOD
(Luke 1:32).
And it is the LORD who is the Father
(Mat. 11:25).
If there is ONE LORD Jesus Christ (1
Cor. 8:6), it stands to reason that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the
Father, or else there would be TWO LORDS, but the Scriptures said
that there is ONE LORD.
And if the Lord Jesus Christ is the
(ONE) Lord, then any OTHER is NOT 'LORD'.
Therefore Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah and
Krishna are NOT Lord, but impostors and antichrists.
If they are NOT LORD, then they are NOT
GOD and NOT the FATHER.
Philippians 2:9 -11 “For this reason
also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the NAME which is
above every NAME, so that at the NAME of JESUS every knee will bow,
of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that
every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of
God the Father.”
Here we can see, that every one who
claims to believe in God, must CONFESS (speak, say) that the LORD
JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth is the LORD GOD the ALMIGHTY, the FATHER
of all creation.
If you can't say that, then you don't
believe in Him who is the ONLY God our saviour (Jude 1:25), and you
will die in your sins (John 8:24).
But whosoever believes in the Lord
JESUS Christ will not perish but have eternal life.
So the question and debate remains.
Is there another entity who is called
LORD, other than the LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth ?
If there is ANOTHER LORD called Father,
then there are TWO LORDS.
If there is ANOTHER LORD called God,
then there are TWO LORDS.
But the Scriptures say that there is
only ONE Lord who is deity, Jesus who is called the Christ.
JESUS is the 'LORD of LORDS'
(Revelation 17:14).
Please leave your comment, for and
against is appreciated.
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ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST ! (1 Corinthians 8:6)Posted by Paul G Sunday, June 19, 2016
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
132 Comments:
OK, is there another Lord next to the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Is there a god called Yahweh or Jehovah or Allah who is called Lord ?
Or is there an unknowable god who is called Lord ?
Lord, with a big capital 'L' not a little 'l'.
Please show it in the Scriptures, or even plain reasoning.
Hi Paul,
in answer to your response on your previous post:-
'Brenda, you said, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,"
WHAT does that mean Brenda ?
Does that mean that one God who is called the Father is sending another another God called the Holy Spirit in the Name of the third God Jesus, or what ?
Please continue our debate on the new post 'ONE LORD Jesus Christ'
I did not say "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,"
Jesus said these words.
Paul,
if you read the whole of 1 Corinthians ch. 8 v. 6 it reads:-
'yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.'
It speaks of One God Who made Jesus our Lord (Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”), Christ means 'anointed One', and it was God Who anointed Him.
It goes on to say that 'through' Him all things exist.
This verse quite clearly is saying that all things come FROM God and WE EXIST FOR Him, and that Y'shua (Jesus in the English translation)is the One Whom God does ALL THIS THROUGH.
Brenda, that is obvious, but please explain it.
In your second comment, you said, 'It speaks of One God Who made Jesus our Lord'.
Tell me, is that One God also LORD who made Jesus LORD ?
Just tell me YES or NO.
This comment I have posted on both comment sections , here and on the new post.
Francis, please don't send me links, I don't read links and please speak normally, so that you make sense.
You said, 'The Family of Our FATHER and GOD, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named. ) (in HIS United, Undivided, ONEness Family, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named.)'
Are you saying that God is now a FAMILY ?
A happy little family of gods; a father god and a mother god and also son god ?
Do those gods also have a daughter god ?
Is that the reason why they call her 'the holy mother of god' ?
Are all of her other children also gods ? Perhaps little gods who look like their father act like their father and speak like their father ?
What next Francis ? :-(
Well, I think that you have bought into the greatest deception Satan ever has produced.
Wow, I don't know what to say.
Perhaps I need to ask you, do you know what 'ONE' means ?
Would you believe that ONE does NOT mean 'TWO' ?
God is ONE! He is not a "ONEness Family", that is an oxymoron. You have been deceived by Satan to believe such a LIE.
I would like you to acknowledge that.
You ought to be a man of truth and put away silly talk.
Paul,
I don't understand your question
Tell me, is that One God also LORD who made Jesus LORD ?
He is exactly Who the scriptures say He is, the unseen Spirit, the One Who sent His only begotten Son, Who was the Word of God made flesh. I have been taught by that Word, and am still being taught by it, and that Word has proved itself true in my life, even the words 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.'
Paul,
"Please show it in the Scriptures, or even plain reasoning."
Both have been given to you, but you refuse the Truth.
There is none more blind than he who has seen it all.
There is none more lost than he that cannot not see.
Brenda, you said, 'It speaks of One God Who made Jesus our Lord'
Tell me, the 'One God Who made Jesus our Lord'; is He also LORD ?
It's not a trick question Brenda.
Simply, if a GOD (whoever he is) made another person LORD, is that GOD who made the other person 'Lord' also a LORD ?
I will ask the same question again.
You said, 'the One Who sent His only begotten Son,'
'The One Who sent His only begotten Son'; tell me, is He also LORD ?
Keith, I preach the Truth, I do not refuse the Truth.
The Truth which I preach is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
But you do not preach the Truth, you preach another called Yahweh who is NOT the Truth and he is not even found in the Bible.
You said, 'There is none more blind than he who has seen it all.'
How can a man be blind when he has seen it all ? I think that a man who has seen it all is NOT blind, because he has seen it all, anything else is nonsense.
A man is blind when he refuses to look.
A man is blind when he does NOT want to acknowledge that the Scriptures says that there is only ONE Lord and that Lord is the LORD Jesus Christ and NOT Yahweh.
Paul,
Your words prove my point.
Paul, it is written in Acts ch. 2 b. 36:-
'Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.'
All of what happened with Y'shua (English translation 'Jesus') was God's plan of reconciliation for us.
Yes Brenda, it is written. Why then don't you believe it ?
Tell me. Are there TWO Lords ?
Did one Lord make another person also a Lord ?
In how many Lords do you believe ?
It is written that there is ONE Lord (1 Cor. 8:6) the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Lord means GOD, Lord means Deity.
There are NOT TWO Deity s! and neither did one Deity make someone else a Deity.
Acts 2:36. is a proclamation to people like the Jews and you who believe in a God they and you do not know.
In plain language it means that YOU ought believe in the ONE whom YOU reject, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
And the Jews ought to believe in the ONE they have crucified, the only one Lord who came in the flesh.
Of course, they are ignorant just like you, they and you ought to repent and turn to the LORD Jesus Christ with all your heart and be saved.
Brenda, the message has NOT changed, I or we proclaim the same message as the apostles proclaimed.
And DON'T diminish His ONE and ONLY Name JESUS.
Gods Word does NOT say Y'shua, please read it, it says JESUS!
It is One God Who made Jesus (His Word made flesh) our Lord. God formed Him in the womb of Mary, with His own Spirit within Him to bring the end of the sinful line, and begin the sinless line that comes from the second Adam. That is why there had to be a sacrifice of the flesh. It is a new covenant Paul.
As for you saying that God's Word says Jesus is our Lord's name, the Greek spelling is Iesous, the Latin is Iesus, and the English is Jesus. The Hebrew spelling,(ישוע) pronounced Yeshua, appears in some later books of the Hebrew Bible. It is not the name that we go by, it is the meaning of that name that is important, and it describes what God has done through His Son, enabling us all to be reconciled back to Him as His children, when we are also born of His Spirit.
Paul,
"Lord means GOD, Lord means Deity."
Once again, your statement shows the lack of understanding of even the English translation of the Scriptures. Lord is use for both human royalty and for God. They are interchangeable. Look at these verses for your edification.
Gen 23:15
Gen 24:18
Gen 31:35
1Sa 16:16
Jer 37:20
and on and on and on, it goes.
A master or lord is not necessarily God. In this case, Lord is our Master and Savior, Y'shua, who has purchased the price for our redemption. He is not God, but one in Spirit with our Father, YHWH, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, The Great I AM, The One Who Was and Always Will Be, The One That You And All Creation Will Bow Down To In The End, right after you acknowledge Y'shua for who HE IS.
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Y'shua, every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Y'shua is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD, THE FATHER.
Psalm 110 v. 1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
Brenda, If there is One God Who made Jesus your Lord, then tell me WHO is that God ?
You might say Yahweh, but that is not in the Bible, you make that up because you don't believe the Scriptures or the Spirit of the Lord.
It is, as I have said, LORD means GOD, therefore GOD means LORD.
When the Scriptures call Jesus Lord, that means Lord God, (the Lord our God).
And every child is formed in the womb by God, but The Lord God Jesus Christ prepared for Himself a body in the likeness of Adam and not in your and my likeness.
Concerning the Lords Name.
The Word of God for you is English and not Greek. You and I and most English speaking people do not speak Greek, therefore why throw a confusion into the plain meaning of the English translation.
Those who translated the Scriptures did an excellent job, and I don't think that you can do better.
You don't speak Greek, therefore don't try to be an authority to pervert the English translation.
It is a deceiving spirit who will say that in Greek it means something different to what it says in English.
If the Word of God is discerned by the spirit, then why don't you know that ?
Yes Keith, but Jesus is not a lord, He is the Lord, with a capital 'L', meaning GOD (Deity).
Gen. 23:15, 24:18 etc. are little lords and not God, with a small 'l'.
You said, 'A master or lord is not necessarily God.'
A master or lord is NEVER God, he can only be a false god, perhaps a man with an inflated ego who likes to be called lord, perhaps he thinks of himself to be more honourable than you are.
You said, 'Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Y'shua, every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Y'shua is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD, THE FATHER.
That is a metaphoric statement about the Lord Jesus Christ, to show you the greatness of the Lord Jesus and His one and only Name, and that is to His glory to have the title 'God' and also 'Father'.
Thomas called Jesus his LORD and his GOD (John 20:28) just as I do, but you are denying the Lord Jesus Christ and put another on His throne.
No, it doesn't mean to the GLORY of another called 'God, the Father', you need to believe what the Scriptures teaches and not in a deceiving spirit who teaches that an unknowable god by the name of Yahweh is God.
And the Scriptures do NOT say Y'shua. You say that in order to diminish His Name and so to bring confusion to those who inquire of the Lord.
It depends what language it was written in originally Paul, and there are so many scriptures which you do not believe I find it almost truly unbelievable.
What do you say this means then Paul?
Psalm 110 v. 1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
You appear, from what you are writing, to have a different Bible from what I have. Is that right Paul, what Bible do you have, and what does Psalm 110 v. 1 say in your Bible. Does everything written in your Bible say that everything is a 'metaphor', even when Jesus (Y'shua, as He was named when born) says He speaks plainly?
Brenda,
Come on, you already know that answer. It's a metaphor. :-) LOL I honestly cannot tell if Paul is just playing with us or he is that dense. I'm sorry, but you just can't pick and choose which Scriptures you take literally and claimed the rest as imaginary, without deliberately being deceptive ,
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Yes Keith,
I have to admit, I know what the answer will be.
However, when a person claims to believe that another's speech is a metaphor, and then, when the One that the person is referring to is quoted in the scriptures as speaking PLAINLY when He says the same thing that the other person said was a metaphor, then I have to admit that the One who says the same thing plainly and not metaphorically, has proved the person who is trying to say they are a metaphor to be a liar.
John ch. 16 vs. 27-30:-
'For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God. I came from the Father and entered the world. In turn, I will leave the world and go to the Father.' His disciples said, 'See, now You are SPEAKING PLAINLY AND WITHOUT FIGURES OF SPEECH. Now we understand that You know all things and that You have no need for anyone to question You. Because of this, we believe that You came from God.'
Yes, Indeed! You can't get no more plain than that. :-) LOL
I have only just learned how to put a smiley face on my comments through using my keyboard Keith, I love writing and interacting with people on the blog, but I am still not very good at lots of things that are simple to others.
I think I need to take a course on it.:-)
Psalm 110 v. 1 "If David then calls Him 'Lord, 'how is He his son" ??
Matthew 22:46 "...... ". :-)
Luke 20:45-46 "......".
Because God made His Son our Lord Paul.
In Matthew ch. 22 Jesus (I will use the English translation because most people in English speaking countries know Him by this name)is saying to the Pharisees that the LORD spoken of by David was not DAVID'S SON, He was not saying that He was not God's Son. In Luke 45 and 46 He is saying the same thing.
Psalm 110:1 speaks of the duality of Y'shua existence. Y'shua, the Man, is the literal son of David. Y'shua, the Word of God, is the Son of God. It's quite simple and evident throughout all the scriptures.
Y'shua, proclaims the salvation of YHWH, for mankind. Even his name means YHWH Saves! Halelujah!
AND HE DOES! That is probably why Y'shua (I still can't resist using that beautiful name) is both Son of man and Son of God)
Brenda, God did not make Jesus your Lord God, everybody can see that, even blind Freddy.
If God would have made Jesus your Lord, we wouldn't have a debate.
The Lord Jesus was not saying anything to the Pharisees, He was ASKING them a question.
But now the Lord Jesus is asking you the same question, "If David then calls Him 'Lord, 'how is He his son" ?
Are you going to be a Pharisee ?
Then please answer the Lords question intelligently.
Jesus is not denying that He is the Son of God, every demon and devil knows that Jesus is the Son of God.
But your belief is supposed to be different from them ?
Now please answer the Lord's question.
Keith, what has a duality existence to do with the Lord's question ?
The Lord Jesus said, 'If David calls the Lord Jesus his LORD and GOD, then how can He be the son of David' ?
Can you please give me a simple answer ?
Unbelievers like Pharisees and hypocrites and all those who don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are NOT able to give an answer.
(Mat. 22:46) "No one was able to answer Him,"
If you claim to have the mind of Christ and know God, then please give me and to the Lord Jesus an intelligent answer.
Paul,
the Pharisees were saying that the Christ was the son of David, not the Son of God:-
If you look what is WRITTEN in the Bible you will see that for yourself.
Matthew ch. 22 vs. 41-46:-
'Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, “What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” He said to them, “How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
‘The LORD said to MY LORD,
Sit at my right hand,
till I put thy enemies under thy feet’?
If David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did any one dare to ask him any more questions.'
Where you say to Keith 'If David calls the Lord Jesus his LORD and GOD....'
If you look at exactly what David says it is:- 'The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.".
In that sentence there is an instruction coming from One LORD to another Lord.
I would say that the answer that comes from the Word Y'shua spoke in the Bible is an intelligent answer, wouldn't you Paul?
Paul, let's start from the beginning with a simple question. Did Y'shua, Jesus speak English?
Yes Brenda, we know that the Pharisees believed that the Lord Jesus is the son of David, but that is not the question.
Don't state the obvious.
The question is, 'how can the Lord Jesus be David's son if David calls Him Lord' ?
You need to give an answer to the question, and don't avoid an answer.
You said, 'Where you say to Keith 'If David calls the Lord Jesus his LORD and GOD....'
If you look at exactly what David says it is:- 'The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.".
In that sentence there is an instruction coming from One LORD to another Lord.'
Absolutely not!
The Scriptures say, 'The Lord said to my Lord ', it doesn't say, 'the big Lord said to the little lord'.
There is only ONE Lord and NOT TWO Lords (1 Cor.8:6), please read my post again.
I am still waiting for your answer.
Keith, the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to me nearly two thousand years after His resurrection.
What do you think, was He speaking to me, in Aramaic ?
Or perhaps in Hebrew ? Or was it Greek ? Maybe Swahili :-)
It seems to me that you also are an expert to avoid the question of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus is asking you in ENGLISH, "If David then calls Him 'Lord, 'how is He his son" ?
For everyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ that is a simple question with a simple answer, but for those who don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they are unable to answer that question just like those in Matthew 22:46.
So then, which one are you ?
Paul,
I suggest you read the Bible again, as 1 Corinthians ch. 8 v.6 obviously speaks of
two, One God FROM WHOM are all things and FOR WHOM we exist, and One Lord, THROUGH WHOM are all things and THROUGH WHOM we exist.
That speaks of One God, the Father, AND One Son Whom the Father has made a MEDIATOR.
The actual verse spoken of:- 'yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.'
Paul, I feel even a child could understand the scriptures better than you do, I find it amazing, and I don't mean to be insulting in any way, but you are asking me to answer a question which I have answered according to scripture and you still carry on asking me the same question.
THE LORD (God the Father) said to (the One Who He made my Lord) Y'shua (Jesus in English) 'Sit at my right hand'
I have to wonder if you will ever keep the commands of the One Who the Father made Lord Paul.
Paul,
I will not be continuing this discussion as I do not feel it is right. It is only the Holy Spirit that was sent to teach, convince and convict that can lead us into all truth.
Brenda, you said, 'THE LORD (God the Father) said to (the One Who He made my Lord) Y'shua (Jesus in English) 'Sit at my right hand'.
Is that the answer to the question of the Lord Jesus in Matthew 22:45 ?
I don't think so, it seems to me that you don't understand the question.
Just read it slowly and think about what the Lord is saying.
The question is, 'how can the Lord Jesus be David's son if David calls Him Lord' ?
How can He be His son ?
The Lord does not ask you a trick question and neither do I.
If you would understand that, then you would also understand 1 Cor. 8:6.
If you feel that a child can understand the Scriptures, then why are you not able to answer the Lords question.
Remember, the Scripture is not interpreted or discerned by feelings.
It is the Lord Jesus who is the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17) and it is He who shines the light onto our unbelief.
God speaks to mankind through his scriptures not through delusional visions that are contrary to his scriptures. That should tell you who is appearing to you in your vision. If God has set down his truth in his word and you are getting something contrary to that truth in your vision, then the author of your vision is Satan, pure and simple.
That's right Keith, But to His children He speaks face to face, and they hear His voice and when anyone else speaks they do not go after them.
Yes, God can speak anyway He likes to you even through the mouth of a Donkey, just as He spoke to Balaam.
OK, what are we talking about ? Ah, that's right, we are talking about, "Paul, let's start from the beginning with a simple question. Did Y'shua, Jesus speak English?"
The beginning is in Genesis 1:1.
Verse 1, "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth".
Verse 3, "Then GOD said........."
I think it is reasonable to say that that God in Genesis 1:1 is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Since the Scriptures said that everything was created by Him (Jesus Christ) and for Him and nothing came into being apart from Him (John 1:3). Therefore the God in Genesis 1:1 IS the LORD Jesus Christ and no other next to Him.
The question is, did the Lord Jesus spoke Greek or English or Aramaic or perhaps Hebrew ?
What language did Adam and the serpent speak ?
If we believe that the Scripture is the Word of God who also speaks to us, then the Lord Jesus Christ must have spoken ENGLISH to Adam and the serpent, so I think :-)
Well, just open your Bible, Genesis 1:3 "Then the Lord Jesus Christ said, Let there be light; and there was light."
Doesn't that sound English to you ?
To me it does :-) or do you have any other ideas ?
I have been posting that comment on both blogs, on Keith and mine.
Keith, You said, "There are many discrepancies within the English translation when compared to the original translation or transcription from which they came. There has to be a standard from which to refer and it is logical and common sense to go back to the original or earliest version, which is the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek,"
I don't have a big problem with what you are saying.
Except, once we have established that there is NOT such a thing as an ORIGINAL manuscript, then I do not use that terminology again, that is because, it then causes a confusion.
An 'ORIGINAL' would be the ultimate authority over every other copy. But if there is NO original, then the Scripture becomes discerned or understood by the Spirit, and it needs a man of God to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth.
As for me, I have learned through many years of walking closely with my Lord to use every translation of the Scriptures to preach and present the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is in two languages, German and English and of course in my mother tongue which is Swiss-German.
I do not speak Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic, therefore there is no point for me to debate or present the gospel in a language I do not speak and neither is it good and profitable for you if you do not master that language.
Do you speak Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic ?
I think that the standard then becomes the Bible written in the language we both are speaking, which is English.
If it would not be so, then the translators of the Bible would not have been trustworthy and every one would debate them on their ignorance of that particular language.
Keith, you said,
"Paul, That's all fine. Let's look at the ETB. It's in English.
"In beginning, Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim's Spirit hovered upon the water surface."
Bereshit 1:1-2 (Genesis 1:1-2)
or
Genesis 2:4 where it says,
"These are the histories of the heavens and earth when Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and earth."
It conflicts with your English version. It is a transliterated version, word for word. It is more pure, because your version adds additional words, to support whatever is the translators doctrine."
Well my friend, don't read the ETB, you don't need an extra resource to the Scriptures, extra resources are not Scripture, perhaps read the New American Standard, or the KJV, or the NIV, and then let the Lord Jesus teach you.
Any ordinary Bible is sufficient and I think that the translators did an excellent work to translate the Scriptures from whatever language into English. It was not translated by only one person but by many different people who were masters in both languages, and there was no dispute to the meanings of the translation.
What on earth does "Bereshit" mean ? In the beginning ?
Why can't we say it in English ?
And what does Elohim mean ? If it doesn't mean 'GOD' then it's not Scriptures.
You see, when the Scriptures say in English, "In the beginning God", that's exactly what it means.
Note, it doesn't say, ' in the beginning Elohim'.
If it would says 'Elohim', then it is NOT Scriptures and neither is it English.
Now it doesn't matter what it says in another language, we need to know what it says in the language which we both understand, and that is English. Otherwise we would engage in a language debate, and that doesn't profit us much.
Now, when it says, 'In the beginning God', it is a legitimate question to ask, who is that 'GOD' who created everything? and that should not end up in a language debate.
It has to be a NAME debate, yes, an English Name debate. Not a TITLE debate.
I maintain that this God in Genesis 1:1 is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, that is before He was born into His own creation.
You amaze me Paul. You continue to make excuses for your laziness. There are parts in both the KJV, NAS and NIV, that were put in by man, after the 3rd century and yet, you cling onto them. As I said before, I have given you a message, from God. It is responsibility to search it out. You will not be able to use the "English Only" excuse before the judgement throne. By clinging to the mistranslated English versions, such as KJV, NAS, NIV, etc, you are allowing man to dictate doctrine, instead of God.
I gave you three related verses, where it says Elohim and that YHWH is Elohim and once again, you deny the truth, offhand, without even looking into it. Such a shame.
Y'shua, Jesus, is the Word of God. I don't say this to taunt you, but when Y'shua, Jesus, says to you, "Why do you call me, Lord, when you dont' even know me?" Otherwise, you don't know the real Word of God, just the English Mistranslated Versions, which paint a different picture of God and the Messiah.
No Keith, NO other language has authority over your mother tongue.
Surely the Lord is capable to write His written Word in any language so that those who read it are without excuse before the Lord.
The creator of heaven and earth has NO requirement from you or anyone else to study or learn another language. His requirement is simple, to believe in Him, to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in no other.
Your transgression is that you teach that the Bible is not trustworthy and not the real Word of God.
You teach that the REAL Word of God is only understood through a qualified translator of a particular language.
Absolutely NO my friend.
YHWH does NOT mean Elohim, it's not in the Bible, you make that up.
YHWH has absolutely NO meaning. It needs a wild imagination to turn YHWH into a meaning.
No, it's NOT a name and neither is it a title, it has NO meaning !
Of course there are always people out there who try to claim authority over the Word of God.
The NASB, KJV, NIV are not mistranslated Versions.
As I have said previously that there is only ONE VERSION, and that is the Lords Version.
Any Bible or manuscript is TRANSLATED from another translation, copies from other copies, from one language to another language.
It is the LORD JESUS who said, 'Why do you call Me LORD'.
Keith, you are the one who calls Jesus LORD, but with a little "l".
You are calling another one LORD (with a big L) by the name of Yahweh, and the LORD Jesus Christ you are demoting to a little lord.
Please read my post, I have explained that "In the Scriptures the title LORD means GOD, Lord is just another word and title for GOD (Luke 1:32).
And it is the LORD who is the Father (Mat. 11:25)."
So then, why do you call Jesus Lord if you believe in an other god called Yahweh ?
You said that Jesus is the Word of God; what do you mean ? Do you think that Jesus is the written Word of God the Bible or what ? Or what kind of a Word is He ? The spoken Word ? Or is Jesus metaphorically called the Word ?
Please tell me.
Yes I know who the real Word of God is, it is the Bible (the Scripture) and no another book and the Lord Jesus Christ is the author of His Word the Bible, and it is Jesus Christ who first spoke and SAID, 'Let there be light', He created ALL things for Him and by Him.
No my friend, it wasn't Yahweh.
Jesus is called the Word of God (John 1:1), and NOT Yahweh, in fact Yahweh is not even mentioned in the Word of God the Bible.
I think that you should call Jesus Christ Lord, and the title 'Lord' in the Scriptures is the same as GOD.
Paul,
No, my friend. I teach from Gods Word. Not from from your erroneous version of worldly teachings, where you get your wishy washy doctrine. The doctrine that changes when from one thing to a another, when you are challenged by Gods truth.
Keith, every English speaking person considers the Bible to be the Word of God.
And my doctrines are the doctrines of the Apostles.
They do not change, they are build upon the the Rock and the foundation of the Lord Jesus Christ, of which Jesus Christ is the cornerstone.
It is JESUS who is the cornerstone which you are rejecting, and you replace the Lord Jesus wit another god whom you call Yahweh.
By doing that, you are demoting the Lord Jesus Christ from being the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth to a mere man, to a so called Son of an unknowable god called Yahweh.
You are doing exactly the same thing as Brenda does and numerous Christian people.
I think you do that because the Bible is NOT the authority over your doctrines, you also believe in none biblical writings of another language you do not speak.
A brotherly advice, do NOT believe in extra biblical writings, the Bible is sufficient for correction in doctrine and in conduct.
Paul,
one final word (hopefully), you claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ yet you do not believe in what He says, even when other scriptures back it up. Anyone who has read all this discussion will see that when they read it, if they use scripture as their plumb line.
Brenda, you know that I always appreciate your comments and I hope that it is not your last comment :-) and that the Lord Jesus may grant you many more comments. Your comments are important and necessary for all of us who claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and the BIBLE.
There are only two groups of people, those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and those who do NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and there is also a third group of people who claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and do not.
The third group of people are those who really believe in ANOTHER god called Yahweh or Jehovah, they do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty.
They claim that an unbiblical god called Yahweh or Jehovah is the true God and Jesus Christ is one of his sons.
They claim that this unbiblical god called Yahweh or Jehovah is the Father who has sent one of his sons to create the heavens and the earth (Jesus).
They also believe that their god Yahweh or Jehovah has made one of his sons a lord (perhaps a little lord), but what they really believe is that their god Yahweh is the TRUE God and the TRUE Lord and NOT the Lord Jesus Christ.
They do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the TRUTH (John 14:6).
They do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the TRUE GOD (John 17:3 and Jere. 10:10).
They do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is GOD over all (Rom. 9:5).
They do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is GOD with us (Emanuel) (Mat.1:23).
They do NOT believe that God appeared in a body Jesus Christ (1 Tim. 3:16).
They do NOT believe that God is in Jesus Christ reconciling the world to Himself (2 Cor.5:19).
They do NOT even believe the Prophets in the Bible, (Isaiah 9:6) who said that His Name shall be called MIGHTY GOD !
Yes, that is the LORD JESUS who is called the CHRIST ! The ONLY GOD (Jude 1:25).
Also, they do NOT keep the Name 'JESUS' Holy (Luke 11:3), because they don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father (1 Cor. 8:6).
And the list of their unbelief goes on and on, and there is no end to their deception.
Brenda, this is the unbelief of the world, and you ought NOT to believe them, you ought to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall have NO OTHER god beside the Lord your God Jesus Christ.
Yes Brenda, you rightly said that I claim to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and it is Jesus who has made me His ambassador, and as an ambassador it is required from me that I believe in Him and fully understand His Word the Bible.
John ch. 14 v. 6
'Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.'
Absolutely true, only one way TO THE FATHER, Jesus.
John ch. 17 v. 3
' And this is eternal life, that they know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU HAVE SENT
Absolutely true, eternal life is to know both God and Jesus Who God sent.
1Corinthians Ch.8v.6
'yet for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, FROM whom are all things and FOR whom we exist, AND ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom are all things and THROUGH whom we exist.'
Absolutely true, all things come from God, for Whom we exist, AND One Lord who is the mediator THROUGH WHOM are all things and THROUGH WHOM all things exist. That is what a mediator is.
Because Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, born of the Spirit of God, once we are born again of the same Spirit that Jesus was born of then we are all united as One with God Who is Spirit. We are the Spiritual Israel of God and, as 1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14 states:(The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.) we can understand that Word as the scriptures are spiritually discerned in our new life.
Thanks again Brenda for your comment.
As I have said many times that I BELIEVE all Scriptures (the Bible).
Therefore it is of no need for you to only quote the Scriptures without an explanation.
When you quote the passage John 14:6, you need to explain what that means.
We ALL are able to read what the passage says.
Explain it !
OK, I will explain what YOU believe and teach, and then after I will explain what John 14:6 means or teaches.
You have quoted, "John ch. 14 v. 6
'Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.'
Absolutely true, only one way TO THE FATHER, Jesus."
You believe and teach that this passage teaches that everyone who wants to come to the true god Yahweh (the Father) must come THROUGH a man which is Jesus, and then he or he has come to the true God called Yahweh, that's what you think and preach.
And the Lord Jesus Christ is only some kind of a doormat where everyone can get to this false god called Yahweh.
Please Brenda and everyone who reads that comment, read that passage of John 14:6 very carefully and don't assume.
The Lord Jesus Christ said that He IS the WAY !
Jesus did NOT say that somebody else is the WAY, another person called the Father by the name of Yahweh.
NO man in all Gods creation has the right to say that he is the 'WAY', only God alone is the Way.
Jesus Christ said that He IS the TRUTH ! Absolutely NO man in all Gods creation is the TRUTH, ALL men are liars and God alone is the Truth.
Jesus Christ said that He is the LIFE ! (the resurrection and the life and he who believes in Him has life and anyone who does not believe is dead even while they live).
There is NO man who has Life in himself, only God has and IS the Life, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Please keep on reading, "no man COMES the Father", Jesus did NOT say, 'no man GOES to the Father.
The Lord Jesus is saying, that everyone without exception who has COME to Him (Jesus) has COME to the Father. He or she does NOT need to go to anyone else, but has arrived at the only God the Father of ALL.
Brenda, you and Keith and numerous Christians present every passage of the Scriptures AGAINST the Lord Jesus Christ and promote another god above the Lord Jesus Christ, whether you call the other Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Allah makes no difference.
In this post I have explained the second part of 1 Corinthian 8:6, only ONE Lord Jesus Christ.
Shortly I will explain in the next post the first part of 1 Corinthian 8:6, only ONE GOD Jesus Christ.
Paul,
I can see that you read people's comments in the same way as you read the Bible.
1 Timothy ch. 2 vs. 5 and 6 quite clearly say:- 'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time.'
I find it really strange that you can not see the way the scriptures link together, and the fact that God is Spirit, Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, the first of many brethren.
It is as I have stated, or rather as scripture states and which I agree with, In 1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14 states:(The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.) we can understand that Word as the scriptures are spiritually discerned in our new life.
I can only assume that through denying the Father that Jesus speaks about, at Who's right hand Jesus is now seated, that you do not believe what Jesus says.
Brenda, it is required from you that you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and don't assume.
You said, 'I can only assume that through denying the Father that Jesus speaks about, at Who's right hand Jesus is now seated, that you do not believe what Jesus says.'
Please listen to what the Lord Jesus is saying, "I and the Father are ONE" !
The Lord Jesus CANNOT be seated at the right hand of ANOTHER one called Father if He and the Father are one.
Do you think that the Lord Jesus didn't know what He was talking about ?
Brenda, it is you who is denying that Jesus is the Father and therefore you are denying the Son also.
You need to preach that Jesus is the Christ and not another one whom you call Father Yahweh and Jesus, as a mere man sitting at the right hand of a god called Father (Yahweh).
Certainly NOT !
Can you discern what the Lord Jesus is saying ?
Paul, I am not assuming 'in the Lord Jesus Christ' If you look again at my comment my assumption is that through denying the 'Father' that Jesus speaks about YOU do not believe what Jesus says. I emphasize in capital letters only to try to bring you to understand what I am saying. Go back over my comment and read it again Paul and you may understand this time what I have said.
Paul, very little of what you are saying is scriptural, but I am not sure if you will ever want to acknowledge that as I believe you are probably very deep in a doctrine, and many of your posts just contain the same words.
Just to add, concerning a comment you left on my blog, You wrote:-
'Brenda, I know that you don't like my comments because I don't give many compliments, but I wonder, the Lord Jesus Christ and all His disciples did always get rude and aggressive comments.
But why don't you ?
When I preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ on the highways and on the byways, I always get rude and aggressive comments, in fact they even gnash their teeth at me and call me all sorts of names.
Yes I wish that they would be nice to me just as they are to you.
My Bible says that the gospel is an offence to those who are perishing, and I am very careful if people speak good of me.
I am not greater than my Master, if they have gnashed their teeth at my Lord, what do you think that I can expect they will do to me ? '
Regarding the outsiders, it is stated in Acts ch. 13 v. 47 regarding Paul and Barnabas' calling:-
For so the Lord has commanded us, saying,
‘I have set you to be a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth.’
Verse 48 goes on to say:-
'And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.'
This is exactly what happens when we do what the Lord calls us to do outside.
The 'gnashing of teeth' that you speak about comes from those in the Kingdom of heaven who are not true believers, who are thrown out of the Kingdom of heaven at the end of the age. They are not the ones outside who have not heard the Gospel of Christ crucified as a sacrifice for out sins.
Brenda, I know exactly what you are saying, that is because I read your comments carefully.
You never answer my questions, you are cleverly avoiding my questions with a counter Scripture passage.
The Lord Jesus has not given you a spirit of stupor, but of power and of love and a sound mind.
You said, 'I can only assume that through denying the Father that Jesus speaks about, at Who's right hand Jesus is now seated, that you do not believe what Jesus says.'
In my last comment I have asked you, 'Please listen to what the Lord Jesus is saying, “I and the Father are ONE” !
The Lord Jesus CANNOT be seated at the right hand of ANOTHER one called Father if He and the Father are one.'
The same; a question in different wording.
(Revelation 1:17-18), How can the Lord Jesus Christ who is the FIRST and the LAST (Alpha and Omega) sit at the right hand of ANOTHER one called Father (Yahweh) ?
How can He ?
Paul,
Jesus and the Father are One, just as we are when we are born of the Holy Spirit. Our first birth is flesh, our second one is Spirit through belief in Jesus the One mediator between God and man. Then we become God's children, just as Jesus was the first of many brethren.
Romans ch. 8 vs. 5-11 verifies this:-
'Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you.'
All the answers we need are written in the scriptures Paul, and just as Jesus said to satan when he tried to tempt Him, I will say 'It is written'.
You and all of us must not have any other wording other than what is written, that is our plumb line and we must not add, take away or define it through the carnal mind. The Spirit of God must be the teacher, not man Paul.
NO, no no Brenda.
Nobody can become a child to the Queen of England by believing in her, just as much as you cannot become a child of God by believing in God.
Does anyone become a child of God by believing in Allah ?
Does anyone become a child of God by believing in Yahweh, Jehovah or Krishna ?
I think NOT !
Every person belongs to their father just as the Lord Jesus has said.
Yes there are only TWO fathers, either the Lord Jesus Christ who is God over all (Romans 9:5), or the devil (John 8:44).
Brenda, there is no third option.
If all answers were written in the Scriptures, then why don't you give me an answer to my questions.
I think that you are supposed to give an answer to everyone who asks you for the hope that is in you.
If the Lord Jesus and the Father are ONE, how then can he sit at the right hand of another one called Father ?
If the Lord Jesus is the FIRST and last, how then can He sit at the right hand of another one who supposed to be God , the first ?
Or, is God the second ?
Please read read the Scriptures, it says that JESUS is the first (Revelation 1:17-18).
Look Brenda, the reason you are not able to answer my questions is, because you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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That's right Paul,
I can not become a child of the Queen of England by believing in her, but we could become an adopted child if she adopted us.
If you read further on in the book of Romans ch. 8 you will see in v. 15 that when we are born again of God's Spirit, and continue to be led by His Spirit, we have received the Spirit of ADOPTION. Read all the verses from v. 14 - 17 Paul, they give the answer to your question.
'For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.
Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, God has made Him our Lord, and the only sacrifice that could have attained eternal life for us. Jesus spoke what God
Take note Paul that the end of those verses state:-
'heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.'
John ch. 12 vs. 44-50 describes perfectly how Jesus was the light that was sent from God into the world and the fact that what He spoke was from God, He being the Word of God made flesh.
'And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me. And whoever csees me sees him who sent me. I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me ma commandment—what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.'
Praise His lovely name
Brenda, not even in a worldly adoption can you become a son or a daughter to the Queen, you are and will always be a stranger, but the King of Kings Jesus Christ is our FATHER, and we are His children.
We are supposed to be BORN of our Father Jesus Christ our Lord and God, and we were in Him before the foundation of the world.
We are not born of Satan and then adopted by the Lord Jesus.
The Lord Jesus does not adopt Satan's children. The Lord Jesus adopts His own children who have died in Adam and when they become born again they have received the Spirit of adoption.
OK, let's go back to what we are talking about.
You have not answered my questions.
If the Lord Jesus and the Father are ONE, how then can he sit at the right hand of another one called Father ?
If the Lord Jesus is the FIRST and last, how then can He sit at the right hand of another one who also is supposed to be God , the first ?
Is Jesus the first and God the second ? Or what ?
You have quoted, Jesus said, 'For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.'
Now I wonder whether you can answer that question.
Did the Lord Jesus Christ create the heavens and the earth by someone else's AUTHORITY ?
By whose authority ?
Is there another God whom Jesus had to ask before He created the heavens and the earth ?
Verse 44, Jesus said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but Him who sent Me."
Please tell me, when you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, is it that you do you NOT really believe in the Lord Jesus Christ but in ANOTHER ?
In which one do you believe then ?
Paul,
whatever the Lord Jesus says, I believe Him. I really don't understand how you do not get your answers from the scriptures, but you allow your carnal mind to reason and question what the Lord says.
Jesus said to the disciples in John ch. 14 vs. 27, 28 'Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid. You heard Me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.'
He is speaking from being born of God Who is Spirit, into a fleshly body (the only fleshly body that could be sacrificed for sin, because He was without sin) and all the words He speaks are the Words that He has been commanded to speak by the One Who gave Him the authority to speak - God our Spiritual Father.
When Jesus spoke these words '
'He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but Him who sent Me.'
He was saying that the 'Me'(referring to Himself) was not the 'Me' that they saw in the flesh, but it is the Spiritual 'Me', the Spiritual Jesus that Jesus was born of.
Read the whole of John ch. 14 Paul, it is beautiful and will explain many things to you, that is if you are part of the body of Christ on earth and have the mind of Christ. It is only then that we begin to understand His Words to us.
No Brenda, you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, You don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Father.
He said in John 10:30 that He is the Father, but you believe that Yahweh is the Father and not the Lord Jesus Christ, therefore you believe in another god.
It is obvious that there cannot be TWO God's, either the Lord Jesus is God or Yahweh is God.
You have quoted the Lord Jesus saying, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.'
Brenda, tell me, if the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father and the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth as the Scriptures said; how then can He go to the Father ?
Is there another one who is greater than the creator of heaven and earth Jesus Christ ?
Perhaps one who answers by the name of Yahweh ?
No Brenda, I think that you cannot differentiate between a metaphor and reality.
You said, 'all the words He speaks are the Words that He has been commanded to speak by the One Who gave Him the authority to speak - God our Spiritual Father.'
Here we have the same problem again.
You just don't want to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God came in the flesh (Emanuel Mat. 1:23).
Brenda, this is the most important doctrine that there is, ALL Christianity depends upon that doctrine.
The Lord Jesus said, that if you do not believe that He is the GOD of all creation, then you will die in your sins (John 8:24). That is serious Brenda.
And NO, it does NOT mean 'the Son of God' as some like to think, since every devil believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Only believers believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God, and all unbelievers believe in their own gods by whatever name they call them.
There are many things that God can do, and does do, regarding His name and His Word Paul:-
'Behold, I am going to send an angel before you to guard you along the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 'Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since MY NAME IS IN HIM. 'But if you truly obey HIS voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.…' (Exodus 23 vs. 20-22.)
The 'HIS; and the 'I' are contained within the same one who is spoken about here.
This is how the Word of God became flesh and how God spoke His Word through the man Jesus. God is the One Who made Jesus both Lord and Christ(Acts ch. 2 v. 36) so that He could become a mediator between man and God, speaking to mankind what God had to say regarding reconciliation.
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy loving-kindness and for thy truth: for thou hast MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME. Psalm 138 v.2.
When Jesus was made Lord and Christ by God He, the Word made flesh, was given all authority by God, and magnified above all of God's name in order to bring about salvation and reconciliation to mankind.
Yes Brenda, but who is that angel (in Exodus) in which God's name is in him ?
I know that you don't believe that it is the Lord Jesus Christ, and for that reason you do not understand the Scriptures.
It is required from you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in no other, otherwise you are transgressing the first and the second command of the Lord.
You said, 'This is how the Word of God became flesh and how God spoke His Word through the man Jesus. God is the One Who made Jesus both Lord and Christ(Acts ch. 2 v. 36) so that He could become a mediator between man and God, speaking to mankind what God had to say regarding reconciliation.'
Brenda, this is just not true.
The truth is that the Lord Jesus Christ caused Himself to be born into His own creation, Emanuel = God with us, and therefore what He says is the Word of God, that is because Jesus is God incarnate.
He is the mediator for the ignorant, for those who do not know God. But for us He is our heavenly Father the Lord God the Almighty the creator of everything.
A son does NOT have a mediator between him and his Father, only illegitimate children have a mediator.
You said, 'When Jesus was made Lord and Christ by God He, the Word made flesh, was given all authority by God, and magnified above all of God's name in order to bring about salvation and reconciliation to mankind.'
Look Brenda, that is not true either.
That is a metaphoric language of which you have no understanding.
I think that you need to start again, but this time you need to start with the Lord Jesus Christ first, and then He will lead you into all the truth.
There is no other way Brenda.
You cannot try to understand the Scriptures first and then believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
FIRST you believe and then the rest will follow.
Paul,
You appear to be very sure that you know what people believe.
I know Who the 'angel' is referring to, it is Jesus. Angel means 'messenger' and Jesus came with the message of reconciliation. All scripture is discerned spiritually once we are born again.
I also notice that you say that many scriptures are 'just not true'. Yes, Emanuel means God with us, and God Who is Spirit was in His Son Jesus.
Jesus is the mediator between mankind and God, not between Himself and God, as 1 Timothy ch. 2 v. 5 states:-
'For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,'
Regarding the authority that Jesus was GIVEN, Matthew ch. 28 v. 18,19 states:-
'Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,'…
If you want to know the truth Paul, just look to see what is written - search the scriptures. It is by first believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, and following the instruction of first repenting and being baptized, that understanding the scriptures will follow.
Yes Brenda, I do know what people believe. How can I present the Lord Jesus Christ to those who perish without first knowing what they believe and in whom they believe.
That is exactly what I'm doing now.
Most so called Christians say that they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ but do not believe what He says, nor do they do what He says.
They do not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Father as He has said in John 10:30 and John 14:9, they believe and do nothing the Lord Jesus has commanded them to do, not even that which you have quoted.
You said, 'Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,'…'
Do you believe that Brenda ?
I don't think so. I have seen numerous churches who are disobedient to the Lord Jesus just like you.
The reason is that they don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and don't read the Scriptures properly.
All trinitarian churches including you think that the Lord Jesus Christ has been given all authority from another person called God, and that He has commanded you to baptize them into THREE god-persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
That is exactly what they do.
They take one of their converts and baptize them into three titles, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And then they think that they have done what the Lord Jesus has commanded them to do.
Such people will never listen nor will they do what the Lord Jesus has commanded.
If you want to know the truth Brenda, you need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and do what He actually has said, and not assume something He did not say.
You keep repeating what you believe Paul, and it goes against what the scriptures and what Jesus Himself says. In John ch. 14 v. 28 He says:-
You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.'
I choose to believe Jesus above you Paul, that Word is our judge.
I think this is pretty simple.
Scripture = Christ
Anti-Scripture = Anti-Christ
When you deny scripture, you deny Christ.
Have a Great Day!
Wow!!!! I started reading this blog and the comments and it didn't take long to realize that this guy Paul doesn't read the bible or read or listen to anything people write. He has a mantra that he recites over and over. Does he belong to a cult? He's definitely brainwashed. You can't pick and choose what bible verses you want and claim that Jesus is talking to you. That's delusional!!!!!!!!!
I was reading your blog. You are somewhat confused on what the scriptures say. One thing that jumps out at me, is your confusion concerning Mashiach. In Iyov 36:26, Job proclaims the G-D is not knowable, he is far from our understanding. In Yeshaaya 64:8, Isaiah proclaims that G-D is our Father. However, in B'rit Hadashah, Mashiach is a knowable savior. How can you say that Mashiach is Abba, when that interpretation conflicts with the Tanakh and B'rit Hadashah?
Paul,
I believe the Lord has sent these two people over to your blog as I had a very strong feeling this morning that someone else was going to comment on your blog today. I could not put it better than what these two comments say.
Thanks Hiker Boy for your comments.
You need to be more specific to what you mean, since all Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics and every denomination claims to believe in the Scriptures, but there is a great debate among all of them about what the Scriptures say and mean.
The Scriptures said that the Lord your God is ONE, but most Christians say that He is THREE.
And when they are confronted with that oxymoron, they answer with another oxymoron and say that 'the THREE are ONE'.
How does that sound to you ?
And yes, I can pick and choose whatever Bible verse I like to choose and so can you, don't you ?
Or do I need to ask you which Bible verse I can use ?
Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ is talking to me just as He has said that His sheep will hear His voice.
What about you, do you hear His voice ?
The Bible says that everyone of the truth hears His voice (John 18:37).
Again, Yes! I am brainwashed. My brain used to be as filthy and dirty like the brains of all unbelievers.
It was the Lord Jesus Christ who has washed my brains so that it is as white as snow.
Hiker Boy, since you claim that your brain hasn't been washed yet, then tell me, do you believe that God is THREE persons in one God ?
Or what do you believe ?
Thank you Sm'ah Y'srael Goyim for your comment.
First, I think that you need to speak English with us. Not many of us speak Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek, but all of us understand English. And our Bibles are also written in English.
It seems to me that you do not know God, you are claiming that He is unknowable to you.
Perhaps read the Scriptures 2 Thessalonians 1:8, that the Lord Jesus will have vengeance on all those who do not know God.
I think that should be a priority for you to make sure that you come to know who God is.
Yes, the Prophet Isaiah did say that God is our Father and he specifically stated that the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth shall be called 'EVERLASTING FATHER, (Isa. 9:6). And in 63:16 Isaiah said, 'You O Lord (Jesus) are our Father and our REDEEMER'.
And yes, everyone who is born of God will call the Lord Jesus Christ 'Abba Father', or do you call someone else 'Father' ?
Who ?
Yes Brenda, that is the Lord Jesus Christ who is drawing them to Himself just like He does with you, and He knows those who do not believe (John 6:64).
English? Am I not writing English? Do you not recognize my voice? Do you not recognize the voice of the Lord when spoken through one of Adonai's Messengers? I am one of the Nevi'im of Adonai and Rabbi of El Shaddai appointment for this generation.
As for Jesus, Jesus is one of many name variations of THE ONE AND ONLY PATH, by which G-D has established to reconcile mankind unto himself.
When you say Jesus, you are saying 耶稣, Yezi, Y'shua, Yesu,..., which are crude enunciations of the one name that cannot be enunciate name that cannot be enunciated. whose name means salvation is provided by G-D.
The message for you and all who read this from the one who speaks through me the one Who has been and always will be.
Stop the petty arguments about my sons name. Spread the good news of salvation to all that can hear your voice. Do my will by seeking me.
Shalom to all who heed my word. Destruction to those who do not.
Your attempt to deflect has no effect on me, for I am invulnerable to Satan's deceptive practices, for I am a child of God and am under his protection. My comment is the same.
Scriptures = Christ
Anti-Scripture = Anti-Christ
When you don't rely on the scriptures, you are of the spirit of the anti-Christ.
I just call them as I see them and as God leads.
Paul,
I have only brought to you scriptures that the Lord has highlighted to me to give to you because I did not want to give up encouraging you through those scriptures. However, I now feel that you are denying the Father wilfully through not heeding what is written so I believe that encouraging, which turned into warning, has been ignored. We each have a choice.
No my friend Sm'ah Y'srael Goyim, you do not write English, I hardly can say your name, not to mention your other words like 'Nevi'im of Adonai and Rabbi of El Shaddai and G-D and Yezi, Y'shua, Yesu,..., '
What does that mean ? You may speak in Swahili to us and we still wouldn't know what you are talking about.
And NO! I don't want to learn another language, I speak enough languages, and my mother tongue is not English.
Please, just use an ordinary English Bible and use those names and terminologies from there.
We all speak English and believe that the Bible is the written Word of God and suitable for correction in doctrine and in conduct.
I think that all of us have a very good knowledge of the Bible (the Scriptures). Although I claim that I can do better than that, that is because I personally know the author of the Scriptures.
You said, 'As for Jesus, Jesus is one of many name variations of THE ONE AND ONLY PATH, by which G-D has established to reconcile mankind unto himself.'
No my friend, Jesus is the ONLY Name of God. God never had another Name, there is no other Name given under heaven and on earth (Acts 4:12), Zechariah 14:9, 'There is ONE Lord and His Name the ONLY Name.
Can you see, only one Name, not many name variations. That of course is in English :-)
If it says in Swahili 'many name variations', then that would not be the Word of God (the Scriptures).
It has to be one source of authority in English and that must be the English Bible.
In English, there is NO argument concerning the Name of the Lord, His Name is JESUS !
There are only arguments when someone perverts His one and only Name JESUS.
Yes, the Prophet Isaiah did say that God is our Father and he specifically stated that the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth shall be called 'EVERLASTING FATHER, (Isa. 9:6). And in 63:16 Isaiah said, 'You O Lord (Jesus) are our Father and our REDEEMER'.
Please tell me, do you believe what the Prophet Isaiah said ?
Thanks again Hiker Boy, You need to be specific so that I have something to work with.
The statement you made I also believe and perhaps all of us would believe that.
You said that you are a child of God.
Well, all Muslims, Jehovah Witnesses and every devil claims to be a child of God. Therefore please tell me, of which God are you a child ?
Thank you Brenda, you are very kind.
How can I deny my Father who is in heaven ?
I claim that the Lord Jesus Christ is my Father who is in heaven just as He has said in John 10:30 and John 14:9 and in Isaiah 63:16 many other passages.
As for you, the Lord Jesus said, 'I thought that you Brenda would call Me Father' (Jer.3:19.
Paul, that is because Jesus' words are spirit and life, and He is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Father to us who are in the flesh. There is a difference between the Spirit and the flesh, and there is a difference between the mind of Christ and our carnal mind. 'As a man thinks so he is' We are the Spiritual 'Israel of God' once we are born again. In old testament Israel the name of the person reflected what that person was and did in his life, Jesus' name reflects what He is as Saviour and what He does.
Paul,
As I read Schma's, I feel somewhat ashamed of how I have argued over and over the same facts with you. This is not the way we are supposed to be. We are supposed to state the facts and let God's Spirit lead you into all truth. However, I let pride and ego enter into our conversation. For that, I am deeply sorry and promise it will not happen again. I ask our Lord God for forgiveness of my actions.
With all that said, and along with what I said on my post to you this morning, I feel the biggest problm is your adherence and allegiance to the biased and worldly English translations and possibly your limited English vocabulary. This is quite evident in your response to Schma's comments. I am also quite ashamed of your disrespectful response to a possible Prophet and Teacher of God's Word and Messenger of God. If you knew your scriptures thoroughly, you would know that there was absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect with what he wrote.
By the way, Schma's name means:
Hear O Israel and Gentiles.
If I can be so bold as to say it is a play on Deuteronomy 6.
Hiker boy,
You are 100% correct. Keep it simple! If it's not scriptural, it is not of God. Thank you very much!
Brenda, you sound more like natural Israel, they also rejected Jesus and did not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ but crucified Him for claiming that he is God.
Many fools think that they are wise, but that does not mean that they are wise.
Well brother Keith, you don't need to be ashamed, that of course is apart from believing in a false god called Yahweh.
Remember the Lord Jesus Christ said, 'Come now and let us reason together Isaiah 1:18'.
Did you ask the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive you, or did you ask another god by the name of Yahweh to forgive you for your action ?
Also, thank you for telling me what Sm'ah s name means.
I think that we are supposed to REASON and not just state the facts (Isa. 1:8).
A fact to you is seemingly different than it is to me.
It is a fact that the Lord Jesus Christ created all things and nothing came into being apart from Him.
That means, that Jesus is the Lord God the Almighty and beside Him is no other God (Isa.43:10 and 44:6.
But to you, there is a god called Yahweh, please tell me the facts, what did he do ?
Preferably from the Bible :-) The English Bible is the authority for English speaking people.
I respect and honor God and not a man. There are many men who think that they are Prophets, Teachers and Messengers of God, but I will test them by the Scriptures, the Word of God, and by the Spirit of the Lord, and so should you. There are many false prophets and teachers etc.
And yes my friend, I thoroughly know the Scriptures.
Paul,
I would like to reiterate the same comment that I made on my post this morning to you.
I am truly and deeply saddened for you, that you have not experienced the love of God. If you would only open your eyes to his word and ear's to his voice, you could experience the unconditional love of God.
Buy your own words, I feel that you are being tested by the Spirit of God. I hope you don't fail. Good day!
Keith, I wouldn't trust your feelings, those feelings have already lead you astray, away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god called Yahweh.
The reason is that you do not listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ, because you prefer to listen to the voice of a god who is not Lord. One who is not even mentioned in the Bible.
That of course makes me question whether you know or understand the love of God.
Exactly where in the Bible is unconditional love mentioned ?
In the English Bible my friend :-)
Hiker Boy, if you read this comment, I have another short question for you.
You said, "I just call them as I see them and as God leads"
Please tell me, which God leads you ? And what is His Name ?
Sm'ah Y'srael Goyim,
If you can not answer my questions, then I have another question for you, do you believe the Old Testament Prophets ?
When I say God, I mean God. There is only one God! There is no other God. Are you polytheistic? You are anti-Bible and believe in more than one God. There's your problem. There is only one God! Regardless of what you read in the Bible. The Bible is clear, There is only one God!
Paul,
the God we speak of is the God that Jesus speaks of when He says, concerning the return of the Son of man:-
'However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.'
Matthew ch. 24 v. 36
If Jesus was God (the Father), then how would He, the Son Himself, not know what the Father Himself knows?
Thank you Hiker Boy for you comment.
Yes I have been reading you very clearly and I know that you believe in ONE God, therefore it would be easy for you to tell me in which ONE God that do you believe ?
No, I do not ask in which THREE, but I ask you in which ONE ?
Because my question is so simple, therefore the answer must also be simple.
The answer to your question, NO I am not a polytheist, I am a monotheist, believing in ONE God the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
You can read that in all of my posts and comments.
Trinitarians are polytheists because they believe in three persons who each one is a god.
Brenda,
As to Matthew 24:36, it is very important for you to rightly divide the Word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15).
There are only two ways to look at that verse or passage, the right way or the wrong way.
If you interpret that verse the wrong way, you will suffer the consequence of your error. Therefore it is important for you to understand that verse in order that it will profit you.
Remember, the Lord Jesus is willing that no one will perish, but all to be saved.
Now, in order to be saved, you need to BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ !
Brenda, there is no other way.
Therefore, if you read any passage of the Scriptures it is required from you that you start your interpretation FIRST with the Lord Jesus Christ.
Otherwise you have started with a wrong god and you will end up in error.
Jesus Christ is the FIRST and the last (Rev. 1:17-18).
Don't start with another god called Yahweh. It is JESUS Christ who is the Word of God and it is JESUS Christ who is in the beginning and it is JESUS Christ who is in the end, and it is JESUS Christ who created ALL things etc. etc.
Brenda, if you don't believe that, then you don't believe in the TRUE God, and you will believe in a false god and you WILL perish with that false god.
I do not lie to you Brenda.
OK, Matthew 24:36.
Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ created all things (Col.1:15-20 and John 1:3-10)?
If you say YES, then necessity and intelligence and also the Spirit demands from you to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has ALL knowledge at any time in all history.
Because of Matthew 24:36 some Christians claim that the Lord Jesus laid down His foreknowledge for a time.
But that is not true either; imagine, the creator of heaven and earth laying down His foreknowledge ? That would be unthinkable.
However, we cannot disregard His Word, Jesus did say in Matthew 24:36 " But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
ALL who do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will come undone in that statement of the Lord.
This is a statement of the Lord God the Almighty Jesus Christ saying, that only God knows His return, no one else does, not even the angels, nor the Son but only God alone who is the Father (1 Cor. 8:6).
Ask yourself, who is the Father, if the Father is God alone ?
ALL unbelievers, they cannot see it, for the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers, so that they will not see it (2 Cor. 4:4).
And the Lord Jesus lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, 'I praise thee O Father that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and gave it to babes (Matthew 11:25)'.
And so do I !
Paul, (Sorry I have taken so long to respond, I have been really busy)
Colossians ch. 1 vs. 17 - 19 says, regarding Jesus:-
'He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have pre-eminence. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him'
He was the firstborn from among the dead (we are all dead in our sins, and we can only become alive in Christ) just as Jesus was born of God's Spirit (God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him) we too have to be born of God's Spirit and be a new creation in Christ Jesus.
2 Corinthians ch. 5 v. 17 confirms this, that we become a new creation in Christ:-
'Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come'
Ephesians ch. 2 vs. 1 - 6 states:-
'And you He made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him (Jesus), and made us sit with Him (God) in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,'
How wonderful is God for loving us, and our Saviour Jesus Who obediently became the sacrifice for our sins.
Brenda, you don't have to be sorry.
You know that I believe the Scripture.
You said, 'How wonderful is God for loving us, and our Saviour Jesus Who obediently became the sacrifice for our sins.'
Tell me Brenda, which God is loving us ?
Is there one God who loves us and another God who was obedient to the God who loves us ?
The God Who is the Father of Jesus Paul, Who gave all authority to Him, making Him Lord so that we might all be reconciled back to the Father.
Why do you conveniently ignore scripture? This is what I mean when I said Anti-Scripture = Anti-Christ. You were given Colossians 1:19-20 and you ignore it and go into your little mantra. Only a child of the evil, runs from scripture. Let me help you out.
"For God (NOT THE CHRIST, BUT GOD) was pleased to have all his(NOT THE CHRIST, BUT GOD) fullness dwell in him (CHRIST, NOT GOD), and through him (CHRIST, NOT GOD)to reconcile to himself (NOT THE CHRIST, BUT GOD) all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his (CHRIST, NOT GOD) blood, shed on the cross."
Now let's substitute your reasoning into the same verses.
"For God was pleased to have all GOD'S fullness dwell in GOD, and through GOD to reconcile to GOD all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through GOD'S blood, shed on the cross."
Dude, you proclaim to know English, but make up silliness like that, which doesn't make any grammatical sense. That's not plain nor good English. Go back to the drawing board, your teacher is calling you.
Brenda, the Lord Jesus does NOT have a Father, Jesus IS the Father (John 10:30 and Hebrew 7:3).
The Lord Jesus is the Lord God come in the flesh.
If the Lord Jesus would have a Father, then He would not and could not be the creator of heaven and earth.
Thanks Hiker Boy for your comment.
You said, "For God was pleased to have all GOD'S fullness dwell in GOD, and through GOD to reconcile to GOD all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through GOD'S blood, shed on the cross."
Yes Hiker Boy that would be right, have you got a problem with that ?
But you would need to believe that it is JESUS, after all, it is Jesus who is the CHRIST and Christ means God with us 'Emanuel' (Mat. 1:23).
It seems to me that you do not believe that the Christ is God.
If you do NOT believe that it is JESUS, then that would be antichrist.
Remember, antichrist is AGAINST Jesus Christ.
Antichrist is NOT ignorance concerning the Scriptures.
Antichrist is when you put another god into the place of Jesus Christ.
Or, antichrist is when you demote the Lord Jesus Christ to a mere man and promote another god.
Antichrist is when you believe that there is someone else who is God, other than the Lord Jesus Christ who is the ONLY God (Jude 1:25).
If you do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only GOD of which the Scriptures speaks about, then please tell me, in which God do you believe then ?
I'm sorry but I don't differentiate between God and other man-made gods, as you do. There is no other God than God, pure and simple. To allude to other gods, makes me think that you're polytheistic and deep down inside, you believe there is another God equal to God. No! There is no other God than God, again, pure and simple, regardless of what you believe. You believing in other gods other than God, is anti-God, and anti-Christ.
Paul, in John ch. 10 v. 30 Jesus says 'I and the Father are One.' That means they are One in Spirit, as I have said many times before. I also mentioned before that in John ch. 14 v. 20 Jesus says
'On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you'
That is also talking about in the Spirit, otherwise we would all be God.
Hebrews ch. 7 v.3 is speaking about Melchizedek
Verses 20 - 25 go on to speak about Jesus:-
'And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, but this ONE was made a priest with an oath BY THE ONE who said to Him: 'The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind. ‘You are a priest forever.’'
This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, but He holds his priesthood permanently, because He continues forever. Consequently, He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God THROUGH HIM, since He always lives to MAKE INTERCESSION for them.
I honestly do not know why you do not accept this, and part of me is not willing to stop this discussion with you because I do not want to have your 'blood on my hands' if you are truly blinded by man's doctrine.
Hi Paul,
I agree with Brenda, in that I would love to discuss this with you but, I also agree with hiker boy, in that, if you deny scripture, as the ultimate authority, which is the Word of God, you deny Y'shua, Jesus. That is Antichrist. I will not engage in any discussion, when you deny scripture as the ultimate authority .
Yes,
I think I have to be guided by what Keith is saying Paul, you are actually refusing to believe what Jesus, Who is the Word of God, is saying.
Hiker Boy, you said, 'I'm sorry but I don't differentiate between God and other man-made gods, as you do.'
Yes I can see that you do not differentiate between the God of the Bible and other man made gods.
But I differentiate between my God the Lord Jesus Christ and ANY OTHER gods.
I think that you don't differentiate because you don't know God and therefore you are unable to to tell me His Name.
You can't tell me the Name of the ONLY God the creator of heaven and earth because you don't know Him and neither do you believe in Him.
To make a statement like that, is nonsensical, "There is no other God than God,".
It's the same as to say 'There is no other Father than Father.
Please tell me, WHO is that God ?
Brenda, John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and the Father are ONE". Jesus did NOT say that He is one in the Spirit with another one, you make that up Brenda. You are reading into the Scriptures something it does not say and can NOT mean.
There are not TWO GOD'S, a Father and Jesus.
There are not TWO CREATORS, God and Jesus.
In the beginning there are not TWO GOD'S, God or the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ.
In the beginning it was GOD (Jesus Christ) who created all things. He was NOT in the beginning with another one who is called Father ! And neither was He one in the spirit with another one. God is NOT one in spirit with another one.
It is ironic to think and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is some kind of a Word and someone else is a God called Father and the TWO are one in spirit.
Do you think that the Lord Jesus Christ is playing some kind of silly games with us ?
Brenda, you need to be reasonable and have an intelligent debate and don't be foolish.
Stupidity is NOT the mind of Christ, but the Lord Jesus has given us a spirit of power and of love and a sound mind, yes a sound mind Brenda.
If the Lord Jesus Christ would be ONE in the spirit with another person called Father as you suppose, then the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father would be TWO who are united in spirit.
But Jesus said, "I and the Father are ONE" and not TWO who are united in the spirit.
Jesus said, 'He who has seen Me has seen the Father'. He didn't say that he who is looking at Me does not really see Me, but he sees somebody else who is called the Father.
And neither does Jesus represent someone else who is called the Father.
Jesus IS the Father just as He says and anyone else who claims to be the Father would be the devil the antichrist and the teaching thereof is antichrist.
Keith, I wish that you would accept the SCRIPTURES to be the authority over you.
I know that you do not believe that the Bible is the Word of God (the Scriptures).
You believe that extra biblical writings are the Scriptures, and for that reason the Bible would have no authority over you.
You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I proclaim there is only one God, there is no other. This is the truth and yet, you continue to discuss other gods. THERE ARE NO OTHER GODS! This is what the Bible says. Anti-Scripture = Anti-God = Anti-Christ. You are polytheistic. You constantly proclaim that Trinitarians are polytheistic, and you are also polytheistic. Look up the word "HYPOCRITE" and you find your picture. There is God and God alone.
Final word as to Who Jesus is and why God appointed Him:-
'For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the MAN He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.'
Praise God (I AM WHAT I AM, I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE) for another wonderful day planting and watering, with God adding the increase.
All glory to God.
Paul,
My final words on this post would be: We have shown our allegiance to the Word of God, which is Y'shua, the Maschiah. Brenda has said to you, many times, that you cannot pick and choose, which scriptures, to interpret literal or allegorically. You have shown your allegiance to the Anti-Scripture, which, as Hiker Boy so aptly has stated, is the spirit of the Anti-Christ. As I have said, many times before, I will continue to pray for your eyes to be opened and for you to turn away from the doctrine of the evil one. We are committed to your salvation, but I will not argue facts, that are plainly stated in the scriptures and ones that you deny and put a man inspired doctrinal bent upon. Hiker Boy is correct, anti-scripture = anti-Christ.
I join you in prayer for Paul's eyes to be opened Keith. Amen
Hiker Boy, I did NOT ask you whether you believe in one God. Why do you answer a question I did not ask you ?
So I will ask you again, WHAT is the NAME of your God ?
YES, there are other gods ! Don't play silly games, look up the Scriptures.
The first and second commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ warns you not to believe in other gods.
And Satan is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), providing that you would believe the Scriptures.
Just read the Scriptures and believe it.
But I don't think that you would believe the Scriptures anyway.
If the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY true God, as the Scriptures said, (Jude 1:25 + 1 John 5:20 + Rom. 9:5 and many more), then any OTHER god is a false god.
I know that you do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY TRUE God of the Scriptures and of all creation, you believe in a false god, a god of your own making.
Brenda, if the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth as the SCRIPTURES say, then tell me WHO appointed the creator of heaven and earth ?
Give me His Name ?
Is there anyone GREATER than the creator ?
Is it Yahweh ? Well that name is not in the Scriptures Brenda, you made that up.
Keith, I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and not in Brenda, I can choose whatever I like and so can you, providing that you don't believe in Brenda.
Anti Scripture ?
I am quoting the SCRIPTURES, Jude 1:25, "To the ONLY GOD our SAVIOUR, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before ALL time and now and forever. Amen."
Tell me Keith, do you believe the Scriptures ? To the ONLY GOD our SAVIOUR ?
Tell me, is Jesus Christ called 'GOD' in the Scriptures ? Or NOT ?
Look my friend, it's all there, yes, in the Scriptures.
All you need to do is, believe it.
What about Titus 2:10-13, 'the doctrine of GOD our SAVIOUR in every respect, v.13, Our great GOD and Saviour Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us.'
See ! It's all there, Jesus Christ is our great GOD and Saviour, and not Yahweh.
Don't say that you believe the Scriptures when you really don't.
You need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved.
If you believe in Yahweh you will perish with that false god. Yahweh cannot save you, Yahweh is not in the Scriptures, he is a false god and an impostor.
But whosoever shall believe in the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved, and everyone who does not believe shall be condemned.
Well Keith, those are plain facts that Jesus is the only God of all creation.
But you said, that you are not going to argue plain facts.
What about then, are you going to believe those facts ?
And perhaps repent of your unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ ?
For salvation, that is the requirement 'to REPENT and BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved, you and your household'.
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I will continue to pray for you my friend.
I have been too Keith.
Keith and Brenda, you are very kind my friends to pray for me.
But, who do you think is going to listen to your prayer ?
Do you think that Yahweh or Jehovah or perhaps Allah would listen to your prayer ?
Has anyone of those gods ears to hear ?
Can anyone of them talk ? Or, are they mute ?
Are you praying TO one of those gods THROUGH another god ? Or, are you praying through a man to one of those gods ?
Please tell me.
Well, I appreciate your kind attempt to pray for me.
But there is one who has already prayed for me and His prayer never fails (John 17:1 – 26), it is the prayer of my Father who is in heaven and I glorify His Name 'Jesus' and He always hears me and listen to my prayers.
All of my heavenly Fathers children hear His voice and when anyone else speaks, they do not go after them.
From my birth (the new birth) I have been sitting at His banqueting table and His banner over me is love, and who can separate me from His love ? My Father (Jesus Christ) has loved me with an everlasting love and therefore He has drawn me with bands of kindness to Himself.
As I have said, that it is nice from both of you to pray for me, but you need to pray to the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth Jesus Christ, or your prayers will bounce back from the ceiling.
I'm sorry my friends, but there in just no other way for you, except to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved.
Remember, the Lord Jesus said that the way is narrow and only few are those who find it.
So, why don't you join me in repentance and then believe only in Jesus Christ.
Don't look to the left nor to the right, but let your gaze be fixed on the Lord Jesus Christ alone and you shall not be disappointed.
God's Name?
'God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name TO ALL GENERATIONS.'
Exodus ch. 3 vs. 14, 15.
(No metaphor, only the written Word Paul.
Brenda, Please ask yourself that question. Who was it that sent Moses to Pharaoh ?
Who was it that Moses spoke about ? = (John 5:46)
YHWH, is that a name ?
I AM WHO I AM, is that a name ?
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, now please tell me, is that a name ?
Only ignorant people who do not know God will say that it is a name. Well, they might even say that jealous (Ex. 34:14) is also a name, and there will be no end in their deception.
Brenda, don't believe people who say such nonsense, but believe in the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart and lean not onto your own understanding, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who will make your path straight, otherwise you will walk in the ways of this world.
Jesus said that, if you keep His commandments, He will manifest Himself to you. That means that the Lord Jesus will make Himself known to you, providing that you keep, or have His commandments.
If you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you have already transgressed His first and second commandment. In other words, you are transgressing His commandments because you don't believe in Him.
Now, the word 'believe', is not the same as acknowledge. Many people acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ just like you without actually believing in Him. You are using the Name 'JESUS' to support and give strength and authority to your OTHER god called Yahweh.
In reality, you are believing in a god called Yahweh (unknowable) and the Lord Jesus Christ is just some kind of a support who gives you an apparent right to believe in that false god called Yahweh.
Brenda, you need to turn away from such a false belief, and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
Why is it, that you can't hear what the Lord Jesus is saying to you ?
Hi Paul, I think it was maybe my own decision to discontinue this discussion as I have had no word yet from the Lord to do so. I should really be more patient as I believe there is a possibility you may not be born again of God's Spirit.)
I believe what the Bible says Paul,( including Exodus ch. 3 vs. 14, 15) not what any person who is part of a denomination whose traditions and doctrines make void the Word of God. Yes, God has made Jesus my Lord, and I do believe in, and love, Him. (It was the only way that mankind could be reconciled back to God, by bringing in a new covenant). It is quite obvious that if we have the teaching of God's ways and His thoughts communicated to us through the Word being made flesh (as in a person of our own kind with the ways and thoughts of God), then we will understand what is being taught us.
That is why Jesus was made our Lord by God, He was a mediator - a translator, the only way we could know God.
'the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.' Romans ch. 6 v. 23
We live by every Word that comes from the mouth of God, not just a few Paul.
‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’
Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, 'If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,
'He will command his angels concerning you,’ and
‘On their hands they will bear you up,lest you strike your foot against a stone.’
Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
It was the the Spirit that led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan. Jesus resisted the temptation, continued in His trials and finally the devil left Him.
Hi Paul,
I know this is probably a moot point, or another exercise in futility but you mentioned that your father, Jesus, prayed for your salvation. Who did he prayed to? If it is at all possible, please keep your answer to one word.
Brenda, I'm glad that you say and think that you believe the Scriptures, but so do the Jews, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and most Christians and cults etc.
But it is required from you that you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and only then you shall be saved. By that I mean, that you need to turn away from your false god called Yahweh and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ which I preach and not in an other 'Jesus' (2 Cor. 11:4) which you have received.
Because you have received another 'Jesus', therefore you are believing in another spirit (2 Cor. 11:4), a spirit which is NOT from God, a spirit which has deceived you and leads you away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god called Yahweh and therefore that spirit causes you to preach another gospel, other than I and we preach from the Scriptures (Gal. 1:6-9).
A summary to the above;
Your 'Jesus' is a man sent by a god called Yahweh.
My 'Jesus' is the Lord God the Almighty came in the flesh (Immanuel Mat. 1:23).
You believe that the 'Spirit' is a god called Yahweh.
I believe that the 'Spirit' is the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 3:17).
You believe that the gospel is believing a few verses from Scriptures pertaining to salvation.
I believe that the gospel is JESUS Christ preached and proclaimed on the highways and byways and in every debate and situation (Col. 1:13-23).
You believe that the true God is a god called Yahweh.
I believe that the true God is the Lord Jesus Christ (I John 5:20).
You do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ.
I believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ that He is the only one deity (Jude 1:25).
And the list goes on and on.
Keith,
Well my friend, that is a very good question, and I think that everyone ought to ask that question.
I have been answering that question many times before.
Since the Lord Jesus Christ is God who came in the flesh (Immanuel Mat. 1:23) and there was no other God to pray to, therefore He prayed to HIMSELF, just like, when He swore, He had to swear by HIMSELF because there was no greater one to swear by than Himself (Jer. 22:5).
Please read John chapter 17 very carefully and don't read it with a presupposition.
Note; the whole chapter is the prayer of the High priest, and the Lord Jesus was the last High priest in the Levitical priesthood.
Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Old priesthood (the Levitical priesthood) and established a NEW priesthood in a NEW order, the order of Melchizedek of which the Lord Jesus Christ is the High priest forever. (Please read Hebrews)
From the position, or office of the High priest, the Lord Jesus Christ prayed (TO HIMSELF 'God') for ALL His people according to the requirement of a High priests duty, and that is also for me :-)
Isn't Jesus wonderful ! :-)
Paul,
the whole of John ch. 17 speaks of Jesus praying to the Father Who sent Him, and of the joining together of all who believe in the Word of truth that Jesus speaks, which He receives from the Father.
Jesus was the first of many brethren (Romans ch. 8 v. 29), we are all children of God when we are born of the same Spirit that Jesus was born of and, as Jesus said in John ch. 17 v. 21:-
'that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.'
we are all one in the Spirit. Just like human children are all human, God's children are all Spirit, and that is why eternal life caries on after death of the flesh when we believe on Jesus, the One Whom God sent (the second Adam) Who was a 'life giving Spirit.'1 Corinthians ch. 15 v. 45.
'So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit'
Brenda, because you don't believe that the Lord Jesus is the FATHER or the LORD or the GOD of all creation, therefore it is impossible for you to understand John chapter 17.
Well Brenda, it is actually worse.
It is a spirit that closes your eyes from seeing the glory and the majesty of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Perhaps ask the Lord Jesus Christ that He might grant you repentance and then turn to Him with all your heart.
Look Brenda, there is no other way.
Jesus said, ' apart from Me you can do NOTHING' ! Therefore, just call on His Name, 'JESUS'. Don't worry what other people may think or say, just call on His Name, He will tell you !
Has He who made the mouth, can He not speak ?
Has He who made the ear, can He not hear ?
Has He who made the eye, can He not see ?
Paul,
Your English translation comes from an original text, regardless if you acknowledge it. The original text of Isaiah 42:8 says,
אֲנִי יְהוָה, הוּא שְׁמִי; וּכְבוֹדִי לְאַחֵר לֹא-אֶתֵּן, וּתְהִלָּתִי לַפְּסִילִים
A word for word translation is:
"YHWW is my name, I will not yield my Glory to another.'
The Lord said, "If you do not acknowledge me, I will not acknowledge you." You can't get any plainer than that.
Paul,
Jesus is the express image of God, that is because 'as a man thinks so he is'. He was God speaking to man in a human body.
The difference between the first Adam and the second Adam is the difference between a living being and a life giving Spirit.
I agree that apart from Jesus we can do nothing, that is because God has made Him our Lord, and we have to listen to what He says and act on it. Jesus said that His words are Spirit and life, and that is right.
Matthew ch. 3 vs. 16 and 17 read:- 'As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!'
Jesus was God's Son, the first of many brethren. When we are born of God's Spirit we too become children of God. The power is in the Spirit.
Wonderful, Keith,
I believe Isaiah ch. 42 is speaking about God sending Jesus.
All the words 'you' in verses 6 and 7 are in the singular and I believe this is because God is talking to Jesus His Son and servant Whom He put His Spirit upon.
'I am the Lord; I have called you in righteousness;
I will take you by the hand and keep you;
I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations, to open the eyes that are blind,to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness. (Isaiah ch. 42 vs. 6 and 7).
Keith, Isa. 42:8 Isn't that the LORD who is speaking ? Tell me, which LORD is speaking ?
Please read the Scriptures properly, it does not say YHWH, it says LORD.
And no one can say 'JESUS is LORD' except if you would speak by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3).
Any spirit who says that Jesus is not the LORD is not of God.
And the LORD Jesus Christ does NOT give His glory to the god of this word called Yahweh (the devil).
It is obvious that you do not acknowledge the Lord Jesus, otherwise you would preach Him.
No my friend, you need to repent of those evil doctrines and believe in the LORD Jesus Christ.
It's not complicated my friend, just believe.
Yes Brenda, Jesus is the express image of God, but what does that mean ?
Is Jesus the express image of another person called God ?
I know that is exactly what you believe, but you greatly err, not knowing the Lord Jesus nor the Scriptures.
Tell me, WHICH God made Jesus your Lord ?
If Jesus would be your Lord, you would proclaim Him as Lord.
You are speaking of another Lord, you believe that ANOTHER lord called Yahweh is your Lord and he made Jesus your little lord.
You don't believe the Scripture that there is but ONE Lord Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 8:6).
Tell me, is there a BIG Lord and a little lord ? Is it, that the BIG Lord made a little lord your lord ?
Look Brenda, you have a big confusion in your theology and you are listening to a wrong spirit.
Tell me, do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth ?
Paul,
It is the written Word that will answer you.
For 'God has put all things in subjection under his feet.' But when it says, 'all things are put in subjection,' IT IS PLAIN THAT HE IS EXCEPTED WHO PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIM. When all things are subjected to him, THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO BE SUBJECTED TO HIM WHO PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIM, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 27, 28.
'Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these LAST DAYS He has spoken to us BY His Son, Whom He APPOINTED the heir of all things, THROUGH Whom also he created the world. He is the RADIANCE OF THE GLORY OF GOD and the EXACT IMPRINT OF HIS NATURE, and He upholds the universe by the word of His power. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has INHERITED is more excellent than theirs.
Hebrews ch. 1 vs. 1 - 4
'yet for us there is One God, the Father, FROM Whom are all things and FOR Whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH Whom are all things and THROUGH Whom we exist'
1 Corinthians ch. 8 v. 6
The From Whom and the For Whom speak about God the Father Who brought things into being, and the Through Whom speaks about the Son Whom the Father used to do this.
Very clear to understand Paul.
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