Our FATHER who art in heaven is JESUS CHRIST!
Our FATHER who art in heaven
is JESUS CHRIST!
Is the Lord Jesus Christ your heavenly
Father?
If the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT your
Father who is in heaven, then who is your Father who is
in heaven?
Jesus Christ said, “Pray, Our Father
which art in heaven, Hallowed be Your Name” (Mat.
6:9).
Every professing Christian ought to
know who their Father is who is in heaven.
That is because the NAME of our
heavenly Father needs to be kept 'Holy', just as Jesus has
said. Therefore it is required from every professing Christian to
know His NAME and keep that NAME Holy.
It is reasonable to say, that no one
can keep His NAME Holy, unless they know His NAME.
It is obvious, that 'FATHER' is
not a name, but only a title, and the Lord Jesus did not say to keep
a title Holy, but to keep His NAME
Holy.
Anyone who does not know the name of
his or her natural father is an illegitimate child.
The same is with everyone who does NOT
know who their Father is who is in heaven is also an illegitimate son
or daughter.
But the true children of God rejoice in
His NAME all day long (Ps. 89:16), and His NAME will be
on their foreheads (Rev. 22:4), and in His NAME shall the
gentile trust (Mat. 12:21), in that day there shall be one Lord, and
His NAME is the only NAME! (Zec. 14:9).
Which NAME is the only NAME?
And also which NAME is on your
forehead?
And in which NAME
do you trust?
If that NAME is not JESUS,
then please tell me the Fathers NAME?
To the children of
the Lord is but ONE God and that is the FATHER (1 Cor. 8:6),
and all Gods children know His NAME, because the Lord has
foretold it (Isa. 52:6) and they also are called by His NAME
(Isa. 43:6-7).
Every true child
of God knows his Fathers Name.
Do you know the
NAME of your Father who is in heaven?
Please let me hear your thoughts.
Yes, it is important to know who your
Father is who is in heaven.
Ignorance is no excuse.
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Our FATHER who art in heaven is JESUS CHRIST!Posted by Paul G Tuesday, March 03, 2015
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
66 Comments:
Hi Paul,
I think it is because I enjoy discussions (Not arguments) about the scriptures, that I keep coming over to read your posts.
I love what 1 Corinthians ch. 8 v.6 says 'yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.' Jesus is the gateway to the Father.
I also love John ch. 8 vs. 25-30:-
'Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.”
They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.
Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him.” As He spoke these words, many believed in Him.'
These scriptures to me show the connection between God the Father, who is Spirit, and Jesus who is the mediator between God and mankind (according to 1 Timothy ch. 2 v.5)For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
The Word became flesh, though without sin (For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews ch. 4 v. 15) so that the sinful flesh could be destroyed but the Spirit could be given to reconcile man back to God.
Hi Brenda,
Well, I'm not sure where the border is from a discussion to an argument. If there is one, perhaps I would transgress that all the time.
Is a positive argument a discussion? Or is a negative discussion an argument?
Or is an argument something someone doesn't like to hear?
Was the Lord Jesus engaged in discussions or arguments?
I think that, if you speak in the Name of the Lord and by His Spirit, there will always be someone who would like to shut you up and call you argumentative.
Nevertheless the Word of the Lord must be proclaimed on the highway and on the byway on the blog or on TV, in arguments or discussions or whatever.
But I'm glad Brenda that you persevere in our debate, or is it an argument? :-)
Reading your comment, I can see that the problem is still there.
OK, I will explain the spiritual reality of that problem, and yes, you need to deal with that.
(Isa. 14:13-14 and 2 Thes.2:4) Satan said, 'I will ascend to heaven, I will raise my throne above the stars of God, I will make myself like the Most High. (Thes.) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat IN THE TEMPLE of God, displaying himself as being God.'
Brenda, we both know that the temple of God is NOT a building, but, that it is your body or my body or every believers body.
In those passages you can see that Satan has moved into the body of believers, and from within those people he proclaims himself to be God.
Because there is only one God, and that is the Father, therefore Satan usurps that title FATHER for himself within that person (temple), and so the temple is defiled.
There is only ONE God and that is the Lord Jesus Christ and the title 'Father' belongs to Jesus Christ alone and to NO ONE else. Any other person, spirit or entity is Satan.
Therefore you need to cleanse the Temple of God and rid yourself of this other entity who has taken the place of Jesus Christ our Lord, called 'Father'.
Brenda, you need to acknowledge that, and yes, agree!
The second step is for you to confess that Jesus Christ is your Father who is in heaven, and that Jesus Christ is the Father of all His children and that any other father is the devil.
Yes Brenda, you need to do that publicly and before all men.
Jesus said, 'If you confess ME before man I will confess you before My Father who is in heaven.'
I know that you don't know what that means YET! But after, you will know.
You see Brenda, you need to lift up Jesus, and then you will know, if you don't you will not know.
Hi Paul again,
I tend to use the word 'discussion' I suppose because there is something about the word 'argument' that sometimes involves anger, and I don't like anger much. Although 'to argue the case' in a courtroom is different.
The one spoken of in Isaiah ch.14 is not Satan, it is Lucifer (which means 'light bearer', 'day star' or 'son of the morning'.) Satan means 'adversary', which is completely different, he has never been a bearer of light. I believe this is talking about spiritual corruption within the church. Verse 16 of Isaiah ch. 14 calls this person a man. Even the fact that we have different denominations shows that something is wrong. I do believe that the church consists of both wheat and tares.
Also,2 Thessalonians ch. 2 is speaking of the 'man of lawlessness', the' man of sin', whose coming is 'after the work of Satan'.
We have to remember that this war is spiritual.
As far as who is the 'Father' is concerned, there is One Father, God, who is Spirit. He is the Spirit that was in the man Jesus, whom God made our Lord. Jesus was the Word made flesh, and when we are born again of the Holy Spirit that was in Jesus, then we are taught by God. It is very plain why Jesus was born a man, yet had the Spirit of God. It was the only way that sinful man could be instructed by God. If we put together a group of people speaking different languages, they are separate entities with nothing to join them. If we put together a group of people with one language, they are as one. That is what the Spirit of God that was in Jesus does, it unites us all as one.
As for confessing Jesus before man, I only preach Christ crucified for our sins, just as I believe I have been brought to do
Yes Brenda, I know what you are saying, you have basically said the same as I, but in a broader term.
I have narrowed it down to you or me or any individual so that it will benefit the individual, and in this case it is you.
You have used the term 'Church', and I use the term 'the Temple of God', addressing you personally in the light of 2 Thessalonians.
If I use the term 'Church', the devil says, 'It's not you, it's the other one in the Church :-)
Remember the devil is a liar from beginning and a master of deceptions and his interest is for himself and not for you.
Concerning Satan, Lucifer and the devil, I don't think that they are a trinity, or three individuals, just
like the Lord our God is not a trinity, or three individuals.
Concerning the Father, the problem is still there Brenda.
To you the Father is not the Lord Jesus Christ.
I said, if the Lord Jesus is not the Father, then Satan is the 'FATHER'.
If the Lord Jesus is NOT your Father, then you are denying the Father and you will own another to be your Father and you call him 'God'.
As I have said in my previous comment that Satan will take the position and title 'Father and God'.
You should not believe in one God called the Father and in another God called Jesus.
Neither is there one God called the 'Spirit' and another called 'Jesus'.
You need to believe that the Spirit or the 'Holy Spirit' is Jesus, that the 'Father' is Jesus, that the 'Son' is Jesus and that 'God' is the Lord Jesus. One God, One person, Jesus Christ our Lord.
That is exactly what it means to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and to confess Jesus Christ, any other testimony is no good, or worse, it is antichrist.
Brenda, you need to listen which spirit is speaking.
The Spirit of God exalts the Lord Jesus Christ, and the spirit of the antichrist exalts another, regardless who it is.
Now, the spirit of the antichrist can be in you or in me or in the Pope of Rome.
If you ascribe deity to another, other than Jesus Christ, you are speaking by the spirit of antichrist, and antichrist means in place of Jesus Christ and also against the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now, the Pope of Rome is the antichrist, the man of sin who proclaims himself to be 'God' by demanding to be called 'HOLY FATHER'.
Remember, to us is but one God and that is the Holy Father, and that is supposed to be our Lord Jesus Christ and no other, and certainly not the Pope.
Holy Father is the title which you should to give to the Lord Jesus Christ and to no other.
Paul,
I have not said that Satan, Lucifer and the devil are a trinity at all. Lucifer means 'light bearer' and we, the church,(the temple built of lively stones)are supposed to be bearers of light. Unfortunately, just like Babylon, there is confusion within the church and we can be like those who eat the rich food of the 'king of Babylon'(one who tries to put himself in the place of God) or like Daniel, who did not eat that food.
As for the 'pope' calling himself the 'Holy Father' I have always believed this is blasphemy. There is One Holy Father, God the Spirit who dwells in the temple not made with hands, of which Jesus is the cornerstone, as described in Ephesians ch.2 vs. 19 - 21:- 'So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,…'
1 Corinthians ch. 8 v.6 says:- 'yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.'
and 1 Timothy ch. 2 v.5, 6:- 'For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,' sums things up beautifully for me.
'The Holy Father' is the Spirit that was in the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God. Jesus says that His words are Spirit and life (John ch. 6 v. 63) everything makes perfect sense when we allow ourselves to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
'1 Corinthians 2:16 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ'
Brenda, in the Bible, the word 'GOD', does that refer to the Lord Jesus Christ?
Again, in the Bible the word 'FATHER', does that refer to the Lord Jesus Christ?
Again, the word 'SON' does that refer to the Lord Jesus Christ?
It's simple Brenda, let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything else is of of the evil one.
Paul,
In the Bible the word 'God' and the word 'Father' refer to the Spirit who was in Jesus the Son of God the Father. God is the 'life' that was in Jesus, the Word, of God. Jesus said 'My words are Spirit and life. There is a difference between the flesh and the Spirit. Our flesh is from the earth, our Spirit, once we are born again, is from God, just as the Spirit that was in Jesus was the Spirit of God. His flesh was destroyed, as a sacrifice for our sinful flesh, but the Spirit of God is everlasting. We had the wrong spirit in us, Jesus did not.
In John ch 16 vs. 26 - 30 it is said that Jesus is speaking 'plainly', not using 'figurative' speech, and this is where Jesus speaks of coming from the Father and returning to the Father.
'In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.”
His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.”
Jesus, the Word of God, became the voice of God to us, the mediator through which God could bring us back to Himself.
Brenda, I think you are doing a great job.
But it amazes me that you just can't say it.
You can't confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is God (Lord).
I think that you don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God.
Neither do you believe that the Lord Jesus is your Father who is in heaven.
And you don't know the Name your heavenly Father.
How can you worship the Father if you don't know Him?
Well, I'm amazed Brenda, I know that you think that it is impossible for me to be speechless, but that is exactly how I am at this moment :-(
Hm, So then, can you explain to me in whom do you believe?
And please don't quote the Scriptures, because the Scriptures is not your word, it is Gods Word (the Word of Jesus Christ), but I would like to know in your own words in whom do you believe?
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ Paul. Being in the flesh and on this earth are two different zones, and the scriptures only make sense to the mind of Christ, which we have when we are in the body of Christ (the church). The only communication we have with God is through Jesus His mediator.
I will only answer anyone who asks me about my faith according to what it says in the scriptures, as instructed in 2 Timothy ch.3 vs.16 and 17:- 'All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.'
Just as Jesus called God His Father, while He was on earth, and was the only begotten Son of God,(the first of many brethren by having God the Spirit as His Father,) I too being born again of that Spirit call God my Father. I believe Jesus only used the word 'God' when He spoke of His Father. Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, and I believe in that Word.
I have a dry sense of humour Paul and I shall see whether you are 'speechless' or not as to whether you respond to this comment. There is nothing I love more than talking about the Lord Jesus, whom God has made my Lord.
As for the name of God ,God the Spirit is called 'Elohim' right at the beginning of the Bible, but there is much that can be discussed about God's name too.
Sorry Paul,
I should have said 'Being in the flesh and being in the Spirit on this earth are two different zones,
Scriptures are quite clear that Yahweh is our Father.
Y'shua or Jesus is the Messiah, the one and only perfect man, the perfect sacrifice for our disobedience. Y'shua, the man was created in the womb of the virgin by the power of God. The Word of God reference is only to tell us that the Word of God became manifested when God's Word was realiazed within our reality. Y'shau or Jesus knew his mission and how to persue it. His character is his own but parallels Yahweh because he was obedient.
Thanks N.D. For your comment.
First, who is that God whom you call Yahweh?
I do not know any God called Yahweh, certainly not in the Bible.
What can this god 'Yahweh' do?
Has he created anything?
Perhaps it has escaped your notice, that it is the God of the Bible who has created the heavens and earth and everything in it.
Let's see what it says; (John 1:3-10) All things came into being through Him (JESUS CHRIST), and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being......... (Col. 1:15-18) He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heaves and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together..... .
Well brother, it doesn't look like that this god 'Yahweh' can do anything.
So, 'Yahweh' is undoubtedly a false god who cannot create or save.
The Lord Jesus spoke through the mouth of Isaiah saying, 'Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who has formed you in the womb, I the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all ALONE (Isa. 44:24)'.
(John 12:41) 'These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and spoke of Him' (JESUS).
Since Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, therefore He is our 'Father' and not Yahweh.
The same is in the natural, he who made you is your natural father.
No my friend, Jesus was not created in the womb. Jesus was in the beginning who created all things, He is the first AND the last.
Jesus is not just a man, He is the Lord God the Almighty who is SPIRIT (John 4:24) and clothed Himself in human flesh, and in that sense He became a man with an unparalleled character.
In the very Isaiah reference, you used, shows the Father talking to you Paul. Just open you heart and soul and listen.
"Thus saith Yahweh, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am Yahweh that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself"
It shows up 6519 times in the Tenahk, Old Testament.
Don't you find it amusing that God gave you the answer in the very reference he gave you to use against me. It shows me that you are one of the remnant and that he's calling you for a closer relationship. It's time to come home.
Yes N.D. who is the Redeemer?
There is no other Redeemer apart from the Lord Jesus Christ.
It was Jesus who paid the price with His blood on the cross.
Tell me, who is that other Redeemer you are calling 'Yahweh'?
You can NOT have a relationship with God unless it is with Jesus Christ, that is, because He is the Lord God the creator of heaven and earth.
If you have a relationship with a god called 'Yahweh', then your relationship is with a false god and you transgress the first commandment of the Lord.
It's not complicated my friend.
All you need to do is to kick out that false god 'Yahweh' and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, 'If you do not know that I am He, you will die in your sins'.
Who 'HE' ?
The only true God (1 John 5:20). There is NO other who is called 'Yahweh', it's not in the Bible.
My friend, I'm a firm believer in that God will save who he wants to save. I also know that you believe that Y'shua was given to us as a perfect sacrifice to God for our sins. Praise God! I believe that you are saved, for that is an issue between the believer and God.
If you will allow me, I would like to go off subject, a little. Have you ever been reading the scriptures and come upon something that appears to be misplaced or doesn't quite fit? Those are usually messages of Dabar SheNahYeem, dual meaning. I would like you to look at the most famous verse in the world, John 3:16, within context with me.
If you remember, Y'shua, Jesus, was discussing being born again with Nicodemus. Right before he said, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son...", he said, "Just as Moshe, Moses, lifted up the serpent in the desert, so shall the Son of Man be lifted up...".
Why do you think he did that?
Paul, when you quote scripture regarding what Jesus or John the evangelist is saying, you appear to leave out what they are saying about God the Father.
Where John says in 1 John ch. 5 v. 20:- 'And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.' this is revealing to us that being in the body of Christ is having understanding according to the mind of Christ as we are being taught because Jesus and the Father are One in the Spirit. By being in Jesus we are being in Him who is true (God)spiritually.
Regarding John ch. 8 v. 28:- if you continue on to verse 29 it reads:- 'And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him."…
We all love Jesus, the One mediator between man and God,( For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus - 1 Timothy ch. 2 v.5 ) and we are referred to as His brethren when we are born again of God's Spirit ( although I think that should be translated 'siblings' as there is no male nor female in Christ ), but to deny God the Father is denying the Power that has enabled this to come to pass.
Yes N.D. the Scriptures does appear to be contradictory at times, but remember, it is the written Word of God and it needs to be spiritually discerned and explained spiritually and naturally.
God is Spirit (John 4:24), that is the Lord Jesus Christ before He incarnated and clothed Himself in flesh, (veiled in flesh the incarnate deity).
John 3:1-18, Jesus was not discussing anything with Nicodemus, but rather telling him. Jesus was astounded that Nicodemus who was a Bible teacher was ignorant concerning the new birth (to be born again), perhaps just as it is with most modern day Bible teachers.
Verse (14+15), Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, the same way YOU and I need to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ and no other god.
I lift up the Lord Jesus Christ in everything I say just the same as Moses did. Jesus said, "Moses wrote about Me" (John 5:46).
N.D. all the old Testament Prophets spoke about the Lord Jesus Christ, except, they didn't know His Name because the Name of God was NOT given till He was born into His own creation through a virgin in the New Testament (Mat. 1:21).
Matthew 1:21 was the first time in all history when God,s Name was made known to men.
Brenda, I purposely leave out certain wording from the Scriptures. I am not debating the Scriptures, I'm questioning your reasoning.
The Lord Jesus and the Father are not two, as you consistently assuming.
Now, if Jesus and the Father are ONE, tell me, with how many individuals are we dealing?
You said, 'Jesus and the Father are One in the Spirit.'
Can you see, that two individuals are one in the Spirit.
Brenda, this is not true!
The Lord Jesus is NOT one in the Spirit with someone else whom you call Father.
The truth is, that it is the Lord Jesus who is the Spirit (2 Cor.3:17), or in other words, it is the Lord Jesus who is the Spirit (John 4:24) and He clothed Himself in flesh and became in appearance just like one of us, a son.
Can you see, Jesus and the Father are one, ONE and the same, plainly, Jesus is the Father.
Brenda, if the Father is someone else, then Jesus and the Father are TWO, and it makes no difference whether they are one in the Spirit or not, they always would be TWO.
I do not deny the Father but acknowledge and testify that the Lord Jesus Christ is my Father who is in heaven and NO other.
It troubles me immensely when believers claim to have another Father. As brothers and sisters we surely ought to have the same Father (God), and that God and Father is the Lord Jesus Christ who was manifested in the flesh.
That is right Paul, as brothers and sisters we do have the same Father, the same Father that Jesus had. Jesus is only referred to as 'Jesus' when He is in the flesh. If Jesus was our Father, then why does He not call us His children instead of His brethren.
John ch. 17 vs. 1-9 adds to this:-
'Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.'
“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.'
God is the One who gave Jesus authority over all flesh.
Can you see Brenda, you are doing it again.
John chapter 17, Do you think that one God is talking to another God?
Or don't you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth?
Or do you believe that this 'OTHER' God called Father is the creator God?
Brenda, if you really would believe that Jesus is the only God, then you would not assume that there is another God called Father.
For that reason you don't and cannot understand John 17 and many other passages.
You are oscillating between a big god called 'Yahweh' and doubting that Jesus Christ is the God of the Bible and of all His creation.
Either, you believe that Jesus is that God or believe in the other god whom you call Father 'Yahweh', remember that both cannot be God (deity) together.
Brenda, it is very important that you take special care in this matter.
If you do not know the answer, then the Lord Jesus has NOT manifested the Fathers Name to you (verse 6), and you are still transgressing the first commandment of the Lord.
You need to explain God in Christ Jesus or you will preach another god and therefore stand condemned.
The Lord Jesus is the Father just as He has said (John 14:9 +Isa.9:6) therefore He Has NO Father (Hebr.7:3). It is fallacy to think that the creator has a Father.
But when the creator was born into His own creation, He considered Himself a brother and a son just like us in order to identify with us and to fulfill all righteousness and especially to end the Levitical priesthood and establish a new and everlasting priesthood in the order of Melchizedek with the Lord Jesus as the last high priest forever.
I have previously explained that to you Brenda.
It was required from the high priest to pray before he offered up the blood sacrifice for the people sins, so, only from that office (high priest) the Lord Jesus prayed to God, that is to Himself because there is no other God to pray to.
Just the same as the Lord Jesus swore by Himself, because there is no greater one to swear by (Jer. 22:5).
You said, ' God is the One who gave Jesus authority over all flesh.'
That's a metaphor Brenda, saying that the man Jesus who is standing in front of you has all authority in heaven and on earth.
Paul,
We are called according to God's purpose, and scripture says:-
'For whom he did foreknow, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren.'
Jesus says to the Father:-
“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
So as long as we do what you are called to do in this world according to God's purpose, as it is that Word itself which is our judge, then that is the main thing.
It is the Spirit of truth that will lead us into all truth.
Brenda, for your own sake, has the Lord Jesus manifested (or made known) the Fathers Name to you?
Please answer that to yourself, and if you like to me :-)
As for me, Jesus made the Fathers Name known to me, the Fathers Name is JESUS and no other name.
Some Christians say Jehovah and those who don't want to identify with the Jehovah Witnesses say Yahweh.
Well, both names are not in the Bible and are not true.
I think that a deceiving spirit is working hard to remove the glory of the Father from the Lord Jesus Christ and ascribe that glory to another.
I'm not sure whether you mean that it is the Bible (the written Word) who is our judge.
I think that we who are in Christ already have been judged in Christ on the cross of Calvary, therefore for us is only correction from the Lord and repentance so that we might conform to the full measure of Christ.
Concerning the deity of Jesus Christ, there is absolutely no compromise Brenda.
All of us who believe in God ought to believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ and in no other.
The way is narrow and only few are those who find it and the Lord Jesus made it clear that He is that 'way' (John 14:6).
Actually Paul,
This is who God Himself says He is in Exodus ch. 3 vs. 14 and 15, although He obviously would not have spoken in the English language :-
'And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'
The name Jesus is only referred to with regard to God's only begotten Son.
It is God who made Jesus our Lord, and this fact was revealed to the Psalmist in Psalm 110 where the Psalmist says:-
'The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand', which is where the scriptures tell us He is now seated. (Mark ch. 16 v. 19 )
There are two spoken of here, not one.
You already know Paul why I believe that the 'us' spoken of in 'Let us make man in our image' is God speaking to Jesus, the Word of God made flesh' For Jesus Himself says in John ch. 17 v. 3:-
'And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.'
In verse 4 and 5 Jesus goes on to say to the Father:-
' I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.'
If you notice, in the Bible, the name of a person signifies who he is and what he is. As God is revealed to us through the teaching of the Holy Spirit as the Word is enlightened to us, so His name (Who He is) is revealed to us.
We must not forget that God's thoughts are not our thoughts, neither are our ways His ways, so learning through having the mind of Christ is not the same as learning with the carnal mind, to which the things of God are 'foolishness'. ( 1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14 ).
I agree with what you say Paul in :-
' therefore for us is only correction from the Lord and repentance so that we might conform to the full measure of Christ'
That is being doers of His word and not just hearers.
I also agree with what you have written:-
'The way is narrow and only few are those who find it and the Lord Jesus made it clear that He is that 'way' (John 14:6).'
The way to God is THROUGH Jesus as stated in John ch. 14 v. 6:-
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'
The Lord Jesus has asked you the same as I, 'if David called Him Lord, how then can He be his son'??
Paul,
The Father has made His Son Jesus Lord of all.(John ch. 17 v. 2). As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive.(1 Corinthians ch.15 v. 52 ). This speaks about all of mankind, including the Psalmist.
If you look in Acts ch. 2 vs. 25 - 28 it is written:-
For David says concerning Him:-
‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’
Acts ch. 2 vs. 29 - 36 goes on to say:-
'“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:‘The Lord said to my Lord,“Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
We are told that the scriptures are discerned spiritually (1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14)and this Psalm is prophetic, as can be seen if all the verses are read. Hebrews ch. 7 v. 17 refers to Jesus when it reads "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." These words are written in Psalm 110.
There are many things that are possible with God yet are foolishness to the carnal mind regarding timelessness, just as in Luke ch. 1 v. 17 the birth of John the Baptist, who would go in the spirit of Elijah, was foretold.
Jesus was able to go back in time and speak to the spirits of the dead, and also was even able to speak to Elijah and Moses, with Peter, James and John also seeing them.
Brenda, you are very skilled and gifted in poetry and also in avoiding the Lord and my question.
It is required from us to spiritually discern the Scriptures and then to explain it intelligently and NOT mystically so that nobody can understand it.
Anyone who has spiritually discerned the Word of God will know that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the son of David, even though the Scriptures says so.
Does that make the Scripture wrong? Certainly not! the Scriptures are always true and correct. The problem is in our lack of understanding resulting in unbelief.
If anyone believes that the Lord Jesus is the son of a man, that man will not and cannot believe that the Lord Jesus is the Lord God Almighty.
The same is with anyone who believes that Jesus is the son of another person called God or Father, such thinking and reasoning restricts anyone to believe that Jesus is Lord.
When the Scriptures says, "Jesus Is Lord", that means the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
Yes, alone! He does NOT share His Lordship with another called 'Father' or 'Yahweh' as you may think.
Now, the Spirit of a born again person discerns that the Lord Jesus is NOT the son of another, whether you call him David or God or Yahweh or whatever.
Jesus is nobodies son!
He is the LORD or the SPIRIT clothed in flesh (became a man), and only for that reason Jesus is 'CALLED' the Son of God (Luke 1:35).
It is obvious and reasonable to say that the Lord Jesus created for Himself a body to dwell in, since He alone is the creator of all things and thus the 'Father'.
No Paul,
Jesus was the first born of all creation, that means that creation is spiritual. The Hebrew word for man in Genesis where God says 'Let us make man in our image' is plural, and refers to 'mankind'.
When Jesus said, as recorded in Luke ch. 13 v. 32,:- “Go tell this Fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and do cures today and tomorrow and on the third day I shall be perfected.', the spiritual meaning of those words was that He was going to clean people spiritually, through the teaching and cleansing of the Holy Spirit to believers, for two thousand years (as in two days being two thousand years when put in the perspective of one day being as a thousand years ) and then His body (the church) would be perfected.
We, the church have been growing as in His body for two thousand years roughly and we are close to being perfected as Christ's body.
If we look in Genesis ch. 1, mankind is created on the sixth day, that is Spiritual mankind as being created in the body of Christ, six thousand years after the first Adam was formed from the dust of the earth.
When we believe ALL of the written word recorded in the Bible, then it makes sense, but not to the carnal mind.
Paul, You said.
The Lord Jesus has asked you the same as I, 'if David called Him Lord, how then can He be his son'??
Y'shua is pushing us to see beyond our normal physical world and see the supernatural truth, the fact that Y'shua is both the son of man and the son of God, made possible only by the supernatural power of God. You mentioned earlier that Brenda needs to leave out the mystical, if I understood correctly.
We can't leave out the supernatural or mystical evidence, when it is a supernatural or mystical God we serve and worship. Isn't that like telling a gardener to leave out the tender love and care, when explaining to the novice the reason why your garden grows so well?
Thanks Brenda for explaining the 'one day as a thousand years theory'.
After I became born again, some of the church leaders taught me that theory.
As I began to study the Scriptures, many inconsistencies and speculations started to emerge, so at this present time I am holding that theory very very loosely.
The moment any theory becomes fluctuating, inconsistent and leaves the foundation (which is Christ), all the alarm-bells are ringing.
As for me, everything is Jesus Christ and I measure every theory or doctrine against the Lord Jesus Christ, that is because I do not want to be led astray with every wind of doctrine.
You see, Jesus Christ is the foundation and the cornerstone which the builders have rejected. They preach and teach theories and doctrines apart from Christ, yes, they may use His Name to give credibility to their theories, but they are without the foundation built on sand.
I always say, that anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus and stays with the Lord Jesus can never go wrong or be led astray, that is because the Lord Jesus is the good Shepherd.
Yes N.D. the Lord Jesus does push us to see beyond the normal physical world, but that does not nullify the normal physical world.
Mystical means 'having a meaning beyond normal human understanding; magical.'(Webster Dictionary)
Well, do you serve and worship a mystical God?
I don't! I serve and worship the Lord Jesus Christ just like all our brothers and sisters do in the book of Acts and the gospels.
It is the Lord Jesus Christ who has called me to be one of His Ambassadors to represent Him and His Kingdom.
To those who don't know Him, He is a mystery (mystical), and to us who are born again, that mystery has been revealed 'that is Christ Himself,' (Col. 2:2).
Wow Paul, I am truly impressed that you fully understand God. LOL
You definatley keep me on my toes. ometimes, I don't know if you are really serious, joking or delusional, when you make a statement as such. :-)
Seriously, you would make a great ambassador, if you did fully understand the scriptures. Unfortunately, you are wrong in some of your most rudimentary assertions. You contradict the scriptures at almost every turn.
I am totaly serious and sincere in my suggestion to learn Hebrew and Aramaic. Think about how effective you can actually be if you learn what God really says and means in his original scriptures.
Paul,
I have never been told by anyone about the 'six thousand day theory'. All that I have been taught as far as the scriptures are concerned has come through the Holy Spirit enlightening the Word to me.
We are told in Jeremiah ch. 31 v. 34, confirmed in Hebrews ch. 8 v. 11 that 'no man shall say 'know the Lord', they shall all be taught by God.'
I believe we can all encourage one another, but it is the Spirit of God that is the teacher.
I also believe that I was shown that Genesis ch. 1 is a summary of six thousand years of God's work on earth, and that the 'us' that God speaks of on the sixth day in 'Let US make mankind in our image', is referring to God and the risen Jesus,( the Word of God made flesh, who was with God in the beginning.') making mankind Spiritual through being born again, so that we might be reconciled back to God.
Eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ His Son.
The sin is in the flesh and the only way that we can have eternal life is to know God through Jesus, the One mediator between man and God.
Sin brought death.
Knowing God through Jesus brings eternal life.
In 1 Timothy ch. 1 v. 17 God is shown to be 'invisible', that is because He is Spirit, not flesh.
In John ch. 17 v. 21 Jesus says:- ' that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.'
He uses the word 'US' when He refers to God the Father and Himself. That speaks of two, not one.
Thank you brother N.D. I'll take that as a compliment.
Yes, I fully know the God of Abraham Jacob and Isaac. He appeared to me and called me to be His Ambassador as I previously have said, as an Ambassador it is my duty to know everything of the one I represent and everything of His Kingdom, otherwise I would be a worthless Ambassador.
How can you represent someone you don't know?
It is one thing to know about God and it is another thing to know Him personally. I know Him personally, He is my Father who is in heaven and His Name is Jesus who is the Christ.
Abraham Jacob and Isaac in their days would have rejoiced to know His Name, but Jesus Christ revealed the Father to me.
No my friend, I do not contradict the Scriptures but explain it so that it makes sense.
Also, there are no original Scriptures, there are only copies of copies, and the Word of God is NOT Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, The Word of God is Spirit and truth in every language in the world.
Brenda you said, "the 'us' that God speaks of on the sixth day in 'Let US make mankind in our image', is referring to God and the risen Jesus,( the Word of God made flesh, who was with God in the beginning."
So you think that one of the gods said to the other god, let US together make mankind in both of our image? What is the difference of their image? Or, are they identical?
You said, "Eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ His Son."
Do you know God? What is His Biblical Name?
Who is the creator, Jesus or God? Or, are both creators?
Is His Son also a god, or just a man?
You said, "Knowing God through Jesus brings eternal life."
Do you mean that you can know God through another person called Jesus and that knowledge will give you eternal life?
You said,"He uses the word 'US' when He refers to God the Father and Himself. That speaks of two, not one."
Thank you Brenda for telling me plainly that you believe in TWO gods and, no one has eternal life by believing in many gods.
I think that you need to repent and turn away from your many gods and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no other name given whereby you must be saved.
No Paul,
there is One God, who is Spirit. There is One Son of God who was born of God's Spirit, who is now risen to be with God. There are children of God who, by being in the body of Christ(the church) on earth, can know God through having their minds renewed in Christ Jesus.
Where God says 'Let Us make mankind in Our image.' in Genesis ch. 1, He is speaking on the sixth day, to His Son Jesus, who became God's Son through being born of God's Spirit, and Who had to be sacrificed in the flesh in order that we might be reconciled back to God. Jesus had to be both God's Spirit and sinful flesh in order to be the mediator between God and man.
When the church(the body of Christ on earth) is complete, it is then that both God's words in Genesis ch. 1:-
'Let Us make mankind in Our image.'
and Jesus' words (which we must not forget are Spirit and life) in Luke ch. 13 v. 32:-
'Behold, I cast out demons and do cures today and tomorrow and on the third day I shall be perfected.'
which is also prophesied in Hosea ch. 6 v. 2:-(remembering that the church is the Israel of God)
'After two days will he revive us:
in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.'
Your last sentence is correct Paul, for as it says in Acts ch. 4 v. 12:-
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name UNDER heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
'Under Heaven means that the name Jesus (Yahweh saves) was used on earth. He was the Word of God made flesh. The name of any Jewish person always has a characteristic meaning.
Ephesians ch. 2 vs. 4 - 6 reads:-
'But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:'
Thank God for Jesus, THROUGH Whom we have eternal life, which is as Jesus says in John ch. 17 v. 3:-
'Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.'
Paul,
My friend, the Spirit of God would and does not contradict itself. The different versions of the Bible do. Every prophet of God is judge by his testimony.
Paul,
you have said 'Do you mean that you can know God through another person called Jesus and that knowledge will give you eternal life?'
the answer is 'yes', because Jesus was the first born of creation, and is now risen and seated at the right hand of God (according to scripture, not man's doctrine), and when we are born again of the Holy Spirit, we are in the body of Christ (the church) and are being taught through His mind.
Jesus says in Matthew ch. 11 v. 27:- "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.'
Jesus Himself said in Matthew ch. 26 v. 64 'Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
The 'Power' He speaks of here is God the Father'.
Wow, Brenda, if you don't STAND for the Lord Jesus Christ, you FALL for all others.
I hardly can believe that you who claim to have access to the mind of Christ and believe that God, before He created the earth had a son, and that he is seated at the right hand of this unknowable god whom you call 'Yahweh'.
Wow, and it gets worse, God and His son made man in both of their images.
Tell me Brenda, did God have a wife, or perhaps a partner? It's reasonable to say that if He has a son, He also would have a wife?
And the son surely would have a mother? After all, the whole world calls her, 'the Holy Mother of God'.
The Holy Mother of God, what next?
It seems to me that you believe in a whole happy family of gods, just like all the pagans.
Brenda, this is the result of everyone who has fallen away from the Lord Jesus Christ and that is called 'the apostasy', that means that you need to turn back again to the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in Him ONLY, just like the prodigal son.
Well, I suggest that you ditch ALL of your gods into the rubbish bin and start again.
First, CONFESS (publicly) your sin of belief in many gods, then REPENT of your sin, which means that you turn away from all your gods including your Jesus, and then BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ, the creator of heaven and earth, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, the ONLY God.
Yes N.D. that's right, the Spirit of God (which is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ) does not contradict itself.
And every prophet of God is judged by his testimony, just like we are judged by our testimony and every careless word we speak.
I posted that comment also at your blog so that you know that I do not contradict myself.
Paul,
I can see that no matter how much scripture is referred to in any discussion, you do not go by it.
That Word is our judge, and I don't remember seeing 'sarcasm' as one of the fruits of the Spirit Paul.
I believe this may be the time to 'shake the dust off my feet'. However, I know that God's Word can not go out and come back void to Him. The choice as to whether we believe and act on that written Word is ours. It is the LORD who builds the house, no one else, with Jesus as the cornerstone.
I praise Him for His love, that is far greater than man's
Hey Paul,
Concerning the English translation of the Scriptures, did you know that the Scriptures were first translated into English in the late 1300s? If English is the only true version of the Scriptures, were the people prior to 1380 lost? If not, what language of Scripture did they use to spread the Gospel?
As for your contradictions, I'm sorry but even in this thread of comments you have contradicted yourself a few times, little alone if I counted up all the other comments and all your other post.
In this thread of comments, you have berated others who have said there is a father and a son. However, you have made comments such as "I have come to know the father through Jesus." That my friend is a contradiction.
Brenda and I have shown you many verses, where you have read into it your own interpretation with total disregard of any supporting versus.
There is a law of interpretation given to us by God. That is only by a witness of two or more can the truth be known. You can't just interpret scripture the way you see fit. All interputation must have a literal anchor in the truth and the Word of God.
As Brenda has stated, there is a time where the Lord tells us to brush the dirt from our feet and go on. Our prayer has been and always will be that all of us will open our hearts and minds to Spirit of God and his truth. My prayer remains the same for you my friend.
N. D. I did not say that "English is the only true version of the Scriptures".
I always say, that the Word of God (Bible) is NOT Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek or ENGLISH, but spirit and truth in whatever language.
For instance, you say that 'YHWH' means "Yahweh saves" in an other language, but in English and by the Spirit of the Lord and the Bible and common sense, that it cannot mean 'Yahweh saves'.
First, the Name Yahweh is NOT in the Scriptures, it's made up by man in any language.
Second, 'YHWH' is not a name.
Third, the Word of God clearly said, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)"
Therefore it is obvious that YHWH doesn't mean 'Yahweh saves' and you ought to agree with me and say AMEN!
And NO my brother, I do not contradict myself.
Yes, I might berate my bothers and sisters, but not contradict myself. And I would not say, "I have come to know the father through Jesus." I just don't make statements like that, not that it would be wrong to say, but a statement like that leads you to think that I have come to know God through someone else (Jesus).
I preach and teach that anyone who comes to Jesus Christ has come to the Father, has come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant.
Yes N.D. to establish a fact or a truth, there needs to be two witnesses or three, but you and Brenda are NOT those two witnesses.
The first witness is the Word of God (the Bible).
The second witness is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ (Spirit of God).
Now the third witness should be you and also Brenda.
I cannot preach a doctrine unless you say AMEN (agree). But neither can you preach a doctrine unless I say AMEN.
If we use only the Bible, we will have endless debates, and because of that problem we need the second witness inside of us, which is the Spirit of Jesus Christ, and anyone who has not received the Spirit of Jesus Christ does not belong to God (Rom.8:9).
Therefore it is important to make sure that we both have received the Spirit in order to understand the Scriptures.
And anyone who has received the Spirit of God will testify about Jesus Christ (John 15:26) just as I do or better.
Paul,
When you discount the original scriptures, you are claiming yours to be the only genuine translation.
"Abraham Jacob and Isaac in their days would have rejoiced to know His Name, but Jesus Christ revealed the Father to me."
That's just one example.
"For instance, you say that 'YHWH' means "Yahweh saves" in an other language, but in English and by the Spirit of the Lord and the Bible and common sense, that it cannot mean 'Yahweh saves'."
I didn't say that YHWH means Yahweh Saves or that Yahweh meant Jesus. No!!!!! It is Y'shua (Jesus) that is subservient to Yahweh. It is Y'shua (Jesus) that gives homage and Praise to God. Y'shua (Jesus) shouts out to all creation with HIS name Y'shua (Jesus) that means, "Yahweh Saves".
"First, the Name Yahweh is NOT in the Scriptures, it's made up by man in any language.
Second, 'YHWH' is not a name.
Third, the Word of God clearly said, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)"
YHWH shows up 6519 times and as seen here in just four examples, the Lord himself proclaims it.
Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh was I not known to them.
Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth.
Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD Yahweh is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD Yahweh is everlasting strength:
You are 100% correct in that there is no other name than Y'shua(Jesus), by which man can be saved and that name means, "Yahweh Saves". You can keep up your rhetoric till you are blue in the face, but it is written,
"Have not I YAHWEH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
and
"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,"
We shall bow before Y'shua and
"and every tongue shall confess to God.
Confess that Y'shua is the Messiah and our sins to Yahweh.
"Yes N.D. to establish a fact or a truth, there needs to be two witnesses or three, but you and Brenda are NOT those two witnesses.
The first witness is the Word of God (the Bible).
The second witness is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ (Spirit of God).
Now the third witness should be you and also Brenda.
I cannot preach a doctrine unless you say AMEN (agree). But neither can you preach a doctrine unless I say AMEN. If we use only the Bible, we will have endless debates..."
I'm sorry but you are so off base here. There is no witness other than the Word of God. The first, second and final witness has been and always will be the Word of God. The Spirit of God is your guidance through it all.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
You can preach all day long from now unto the end of time but unless you rely solely upon the Word of God as your witness, then all you have is a cult.
N.D. when the Lord Jesus Christ reveals the Father to you, then you will KNOW that He (Jesus) is the Father just as He has said (Isa. 9:6). If you do not believe that He (Jesus) is the Father, then He hasn't revealed the Father to you.
Concerning the Old Testament, you are making a great mistake by putting a NAME for God in there.
There is NO NAME for God in the Old Testament, because it has not been given.
OK, I say it again, nobody knew God's Name!
The first time they knew the Name of God is in the New Testament in (Mat. 1:21).
The name 'Yahweh' is invented by some clever people just like the name 'Jehovah'.
The Jehovah Witnesses will tell you that the name Jehovah is rendered out of 'YHWH'.
In the Old Testament God was known under the title 'LORD' or 'GOD', till His Name was made known in Matthew 1:21. And LORD means God! and not 'little lord Fauntleroy'.
The Prophet Isaiah prophesied that His name shall be called 'Emanuel' (Isa. 7:14), meaning GOD WITH US.
Tell me N.D. who is this 'God with us'?
Or what is the Name of this God who is with us?
(Isa. 12:2) "God is my salvation", tell me, which God is your salvation?
That's supposed to be easy, since there is NO other NAME given; so, what NAME is it?
Well, it is JESUS! And no other name.
Yes, it is written, "so that at the name of JESUS every knee shall bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2:10-11).
That is NOT to the glory of another person called Father, but that is to Jesus Christ who is our only God and Father (1 Cor. 8:6).
Well N.D. all cults we have today are using the Bible to justify their doctrines, and all of them are in conflict with one and other. They are void of the second witness the Spirit of God, (John 14:26) "He will teach you all things and bring to remembrance all that I have said to you".
Paul,
Please read the following thoroughly and check the scriptures as God has commanded us, when through Shaul (Paul), he said, “Receive all message with all eagerness of heart, but search the scriptures to determine if true.” I know that I don’t have to tell you this, but the B’rit Hadashah, (New Testament) was not around. Therefore, he was referencing the Tanahk (Old Testament). As an added note, Y’shua, (Jesus) only referenced the Tanahk (Old Testament).
Let me be perfectly clear. I believe in a knowing, loving and just God. He has provided me with everything that I need, including reconciliation, our salvation.
From the beginning, he has been consistent in what he requires from us. One such consistency is that he requires an innocent blood sacrifice for any infraction. That requirement continues till today. I repeat, he has not changed. To be complete and give full redemption, that blood sacrifice has to be of like kind.
In the case of Adam and Eve and their descendents, it has to be a man. If this wasn’t true, then why didn’t God just say, “OK, Adam and Eve, I forgive you. Let’s start anew.”? The reason is that even though that would have shown he is a merciful God, it would not have shown that he is a just God. He required a blood sacrifice of an innocent man for their disobedience.
Their disobedience produced a big problem, that Adam and Eve introduced sin into their gene pool, which would be passed down from generation to generation. Therefore, God had to create a man, a perfect man, without the sin gene. That man is Y’shua (Jesus). In referencing his voluntarily HUMAN sacrifice for our sins, Y’shua (Jesus) said, “There is no greater love than for a MAN to lay down his life for another.” Not God, a man. That’s what it’s all about. It can’t get any more basic than that.
First and foremost, Y’shua(Jesus) was a man, which would have satisified God’s requirement for redemption. AGAIN, If God required his own life as the sacrifice, he would have said, “OK, Adam and Eve, I forgive you. Let’s start anew.”? AGAIN, the reason is that even though that would have shown he was a merciful God, it would not have shown that he is a just God. He required a blood sacrifice of an innocent MAN. AGAIN, GOD HAS NOT and WILL NOT CHANGE>
As you know, there are many references to Y’shua (Jesus) being both the Son of Man and the Son of God. Because Y’shua was perfect in all ways, he had a relationship with God, where his Spirit became one with God. This only the second time, in the history of man, that this has happened. That why Y’shua (Jesus) is called the second Adam. That is also what is meant by, “He shall be called Immanuel, God with us.”
Hebrew and Greek are precise languages, not like English, where things can be misunderstood. If the Messiah was going to be God, it would have said “God is with us”, not called “God with us”. I’m sure you can see the difference, even in English.
When John said, “…and The Word of God was made flesh.”, the Greek shows us that the proper English translation should have been, “…and The Word of God ‘became true’ OR ‘ became known to be true’ in the flesh.” Look it up, the Greek word used is ginomai. This means that God’s promise for a Messaih has come true. That’s it. It even goes on to say, “…and we beheld his glory, even the glory of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” Notice the word, “even”. It’s not in your English version. It was left out. Why? Because it would have made it more clear that God and Y’shua are separate entities, not the same person, but with a Spirit so identical, that it would be recognized as Immanuel, God with us.
N.D. if you believe in a ' knowing, loving and just God'; well, isn't that loving just God the Lord Jesus Christ the creator of heaven and earth?
Brother N.D. I don't think that you understand the fall of man, and the original sin.
The first blood sacrifice was a beast and not a man, it was made by the Lord Jesus to cover Adams sin.
The last blood sacrifice was also made by the Lord Jesus, when He offered up Himself on the cross.
You need to understand that the Lord Jesus IS the only GOD who clothed Himself in flesh, and only in that sense He became a man.
The reason is, that you cannot hang a Spirit on a cross, but only if He is clothed in flesh, and for that reason God became a man.
You said, "Because Y’shua was perfect in all ways, he had a relationship with God, where his Spirit became one with God. This only the second time, in the history of man, that this has happened. That why Y’shua (Jesus) is called the second Adam. That is also what is meant by, "He shall be called Immanuel, God with us."
Absolutely no! Jesus is the Spirit (2 Cor.3:17). And God is Spirit (John 4:24). One Spirit who is in Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
Well my brother, misunderstandings happens in every language, not only in English.
God and Jesus are NOT separate entities, it is Jesus who is the creator God and no other.
Paul,
I didn't say that the original sacrifice was a man. I said that the original sacrifice requirement was and continues to be a man. Please read what is written.
You are correct in all your assertions, exception you fail to see that God separated himself from Y'shua (Jesus) on the cross. This is what happened when Y'shua cried out, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Let's set this aside for a second. Could please tell me if you think that the following references to God or Lord, refers to Y'shua (Jesus)?
"Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Exodus 34:14
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." Deu 4:24
“As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him." 2Sam 22:31
Yes N.D. all the verses you have quoted are definitely referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Exodus 34:14 Is the Lord Jesus speaking. Since there is only ONE Lord (Eph. 4:5+ Deut. 7:9), therefore it has to refer to Jesus Christ. In the New Testament they worshiped the Lord Jesus (Mat. 2:11 + 14:33 + 28:9), and the Lord Jesus is jealous so that you do not worship another god.
In Deut. 4:24 shows you the severity of the Lord for worshiping another god.
2 Sam. 22:31 will tell you to take refuge in the Lord Jesus Christ for there is forgiveness for our sins in no one else but in Jesus Christ our Lord and ONLY God our saviour (Jude 1:25).
Paul,
To clarify, you are saying that Y'shua (Jesus) and YHWH are the same being?
Exactly N.D. that is what I'm saying. The same PERSON!
Jesus is the creator, and only the Lord God can create the heavens and the earth.
The four letters in Exodus (YHWH) belong to Jesus Christ. They mean nothing, that is because it is meant to mean nothing. The Lord Jesus did not want them to know His NAME before His time.
Throughout the Old Testament they knew Him only under titles and descriptions like 'Lord' or 'God' or 'jealous' or everlasting Father etc.
Paul,
in your last comment to ND you have said that:-
'The four letters in Exodus (YHWH) belong to Jesus Christ. They mean nothing, that is because it is meant to mean nothing. The Lord Jesus did not want them to know His NAME before His time.'
Yet in your last comment to me on ND's blog you say this:-
'Brenda, the reason you do not understand the Scriptures is, that you believe in a false god called Yahweh, he is the one who constantly leads you astray. He is the god who sits in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be god, he is the one who said, "I will raise my throne above the stars of God, I will make myself like the most High,....... . (Isa. 14:13-14)."'
Are you saying that Jesus is Satan now?
Paul,
I hope and pray that you are misquoting or changing scripture and inferring that Yahweh is Satan, because English is your second language. I hope and pray that you just don't understand what your are actually saying and it is not what you actually believe.
If not, then Brenda is correct is saying that you are guilty of blaspheming the name of the Lord.
Please, my friend, you are so close to committing the only unpardonable sin, blaspheming against the Spirit of God. Please stop and go back to the scriptures before saying anything else.
IT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. IT IS NOT FROM GOD.
You need to stop listening to anyone who is feeding you this garbage and get back to God's scriptures. It is only by Spirit of the One and Only God and his Word that you can find the truth about your salvation, through his only Son, Y'shua, Jesus.
Please!!!!! Again, I implore you to re-access before you lose your eternal salvation.
I want you to know that I'm always here, if need questions answered. I do not wish to offend and it is out of Agape, when I say that you are way out of line and way off base in your belief system. I'm a firm believer that the only way to God is through his son, Y'shua(Jesus). However, the scriptures show that God will save who he wants to save. My prayer is that, if you are following your path, because it is not God's Path, that he will choose to save you because you have acted out of ignorance. May God Bless You and Bring You to your knees in forgiveness.
I say 'Amen' to ND's prayer Paul.
Brenda and N.D, I do not chase red herrings so to speak.
Our debate is, whether the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth, or perhaps an other god whom you call Yahweh?
I maintain the position that the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY God of all creation portrayed in the Bible, and the only saviour, and the only Name, and any OTHER is a false god.
In contrast you do not acknowledge the above and that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God our Father who is in heaven, but maintain that there is another god called Yahweh.
Where does that say in the Scriptures?
What did this god called Yahweh do?
Where is his name mentioned in the Bible?
Paul,
I believe it just as it says clearly in 1 John 5, vs 6 - 12 :-
'Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God. Whoever loves someone who is a parent loves the child born to the parent. This is how we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep God’s commandments. This is the love of God: we keep God’s commandments. God’s commandments are not difficult, because everyone who is born from God defeats the world. And this is the victory that has defeated the world: our faith. Who defeats the world? Isn’t it the one who believes that Jesus is God’s Son?
This is the one who came by water and blood: Jesus Christ. Not by water only but by water and blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. The three are testifying—the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and the three are united in agreement. If we receive human testimony, God’s testimony is greater, because this is what God testified: He has testified about His Son. The one who believes in God’s Son has the testimony within; the one who doesn’t believe God has made God a liar, because that one has not believed the testimony that God gave about his Son. And this is the testimony: God gave eternal life to us, and this life is in His Son. The one who has the Son has life. The one who doesn’t have God’s Son does not have life.'
The rest of the chapter goes on to speak very obviously about the connection between God and His Son:-
'I write these things to you who believe in the name of God’s Son so that you can know that you have eternal life. This is the confidence that we have in our relationship with God: If we ask for anything in agreement with his will, he listens to us. If we know that he listens to whatever we ask, we know that we have received what we asked from him. If anyone sees a brother or sister committing a sin that does not result in death, they should pray, and God will give life to them—that is, to those who commit sins that don’t result in death. There is a sin that results in death—I’m not saying that you should pray about that. Every unrighteous action is sin, but there is a sin that does not result in death.
We know that everyone born from God does not sin, but the ones born from God guard themselves, and the evil one cannot touch them. We know we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. We know that God’s Son has come and has given us understanding to know the one who is true. We are in the one who is true by being in his Son, Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, guard yourselves from idols!'
The idols spoken of here can often be false teachers of false doctrines that some choose to believe in.
Anyone who does not see the connection between God and His Son here takes away from scripture and CHOOSES to be blind.
Paul,
I hope you see my issue here.
First of all, the scriptures clearly state that to be saved, you must believe, confess and continually testify that the Lord Y'shua(Jesus) has been sent to mankind to be a testimony of God's salvation for us all, that he died as the prophesied Sin Offering and was raised from the grave as the firstborn of the dead. My hopes and prayers is that you, Brenda and I have done that.
Secondly, Y'shua(Jesus) also told us that if you attribute the power behind him as Satan, then you are guilty of the unpardonable sin of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Finally, red herrings are one thing but to completely ignore scripture such as 1Tim 2:5 and attributing YHWH as Satan shows me that if you are a child of God, then you have strayed far from his side. Again, my hopes and prayers is that all our eyes are open to the truth, especially you, for you are treading on very thin ice.
Brenda, I read the same Bible as you, and I believe the Scriptures, and I also know the author of the Scriptures, His Name is Jesus Christ! He is also called 'The Word of God'.
Yes it is Jesus who is called the Christ, and it is Jesus who created everything ALONE (Isa.44:24), and it is Jesus Christ who does not share His glory with ANOTHER (Isa. 42:8 + 48:11), and it is Jesus who said, 'Before Me there was NO God formed,and there will be NONE after Me (Isa.43:10).
Now, please tell me, what did this god Yahweh do?
You have a Bible, and I give you both of my ears, I'm listening.
If there is only one God, then it follows that ANY OTHER god is a false god; there is no other way Brenda.
In the Bible, the true God is the Lord Jesus Christ (Jer. 10:10 and 1 John 5:20) and any other god is called a false god, called god of this world (the devil) (2 Cor. 4:4), yes Brenda, it is the devil and the whole world believes in him (John 12:19 and Rev.12:9).
Again, who is this OTHER god whom you call Yahweh? Where in the Bible is his name recorded?
The Lord Jesus Christ is called the Father (Isa. 9:6 John 14:9 John 10:30 Isa.63:16 and many more).
Do you believe the Scriptures or what?
Or do you believe those who believe in another god with a name 'Yahweh'?
The Lord Jesus said, "You shall call Me, My Father, and not turn away from following Me" (Jer. 3:19).
Why do you call Yahweh Father instead of the Lord Jesus Christ?
What is holding you back?
Brother Keith, concerning the four letters in Exodus 'YHWH', I have been giving you a clear answer.
What do those letters mean? What does it say?
Does it mean that you can invent some kind of meaning? Or some kind of a name?
You can not even pronounce it or say it.
The Lord Jesus did not give you His Name in Exodus and neither did He give His Name to Moses.
By the way, who do you think was speaking in the burning bush?
Perhaps to you that was an unknowable god called Yahweh, but Moses knew the Lord Jesus face to face, he just didn't know His Name, because His Name was not given in the Old Testament till God (Jesus) was born through a virgin into His own creation (Mat.1:21) 'You shall call his name JESUS'!
Jesus said, that Moses was writing about Him and NOT about Yahweh (John 5:46).
Tell me brother, 'which God appeared in a body and was taken up to heaven' (1 Tim. 3:16)?
Surely it wasn't Yahweh.
It was the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT Yahweh.
Yahweh is NOT in the Bible, you made that up, and that does not give you the right to believe in a god who is not in the Bible.
The Bible God is the Lord Jesus Christ and NO OTHER!
In Isaiah 43:11 the Lord Jesus said, 'Apart from Me is NO SAVIOR!
So then, can Yahweh save? Absolutely NOT!
Only the Lord Jesus can save. Jesus is the Lord and not Yahweh.
I don't think there is any more that I can say here.
The written Word is our judge.
Yes Brenda, there is a lot of things you can say and must say.
First of all, you MUST confess the Lord Jesus Christ before men.
By that I mean JESUS CHRIST alone and NO OTHER! NOT Yahweh!
You need to preach Jesus Christ alone, or else, you preach a false god and have transgressed the first and the second commandment of the Lord.
But before all that, you need to repent!
You need to see and understand that you are preaching a god who is NOT in the Bible and neither is his name in the Scriptures.
To say so, is a sin! and the only way is to confess that sin and then the Lord Jesus is faithful and just to forgive you that sin and to cleans you from all unrighteousness.
Yes Brenda, I know that the word 'Repent' is a dirty word among Christians in our days, but it is a necessity which is before salvation.
So, therefore do not harden your heart as those who perished in the wilderness, but be eager to repent.
Brenda, I consider you to be an intelligent smart woman, and you know exactly what the Lord is saying to you.
I am a representative of Jesus Christ and I expect you and brother Keith to be also one of His disciples who preach Christ Jesus alone and NO other.
The moment you and Keith have repented (publicly, for all of us to see), you will have great opposition, but I will stand with you shoulder to shoulder in Christ Jesus our Lord and ONLY God.
Remember, if the Lord Jesus Christ is for you or us, who can be against you or us?
Brenda, I have some questions.
You said in your post and in your comment;
"Only a Father as loving as you could take my life's burden and carry me through …..."
(and comment)
"and praise our lovely Father God and His Son for the Comforter who does all the things you have stated."
Please tell me, is that loving Father, who took your life's burden, Yahweh?
Is he the creator of heaven and earth?
Can you show that to me in the Bible?
Again, the praise you give to your lovely Father God, is that Yahweh?
And to His Son, is that Jesus?
If so, do you give praise to both the Father God and to His Son for the Comforter who does all things.
Who is the Comforter who does all things?
What is the name of the Comforter?
Is he the creator of all things?
Is the Father God and His Son not capable to comfort us?
Why do they need a third person to comfort us?
It is reasonable to assume that, if the Comforter does all things, he must be the creator of heaven and earth.
Please can you show that to me in the Bible?
Assuming the Comforter did all things, what did the Father and His Son do?
Were they idle and watching the third person the Comforter doing all things?
Are all those three persons gods?
Or, is there only one person a god, and another person a creator and the third person a Comforter?
Or, do they share everything and help each other?
Please explain and show it to me from the Bible.
Paul,
if you do not believe what Jesus says, how will you believe anyone else. Look to see what the Bible says regarding this.
Brenda, you know that I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ with all of my heart and without restraint.
I believe every Word of God and I'm eager to repent when wrong.
What I'm saying is very important and I'm glad that you have not given up and rejected the correction of the Lord.
Remember, I do not represent myself, but Him who has given me the ministry of reconciliation.
As it is with most Christians, they suffer from various sicknesses and disease and calamities of every kind and seemingly they never ask the Lord Jesus concerning their problems.
They pray, but their prayers bounce back from the ceiling and nobody is going to listen.
Why??
Simply, they pray to the wrong god!
They think that they can pray to this false god Yahweh or Jehovah THROUGH a man called Jesus.
Brenda, who do you think is going to listen?
Yahweh?
The Father Yahweh?
Yahweh hasn't got any ears, he can't hear you Brenda.
Yahweh is a false god who can NOT heal you or anyone else, he cannot even save you.
Why do you believe and worship that imposter?
Do you think that the Lord Jesus is pleased with that? to the contrary, it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Therefore be eager to repent and don't worry what anyone else says or thinks.
Paul,
I have had healings and miracles through the prayer of faith, these prayers were done by people who were taught by God and not by man. There is nowhere in the scriptures that tells us to trust in man for our healing. You know full well that I asked the Lord to teach me about sickness and healing, and He has shown me that there is a lack of faith in His church. Where do you go for your healing Paul? I pray that the gifts will come into the church as they are meant to be.
Yes Brenda, I know, that is because the Lord Jesus is good.
In the Bible, all who came to Jesus were healed, there was not one who didn't get healed, I like to say it again, ALL who came to the Lord Jesus were healed without exception.
What do you think, has the Lord Jesus changed??
NO Brenda! The Lord Jesus does NOT change, He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
All who believe in Him will be healed, and the Lord Jesus can do better than just heal you from a sickness. If you were born with no arms and no legs, Jesus is able to put arms and legs there right in front of your eyes, or better, He can restore the body of Abraham to his original bones if he wants to.
Is there anything impossible for the creator of heaven and earth Jesus Christ of Nazareth??
Absolutely NO! Brenda.
The Lord Jesus hates nothing more than UNBELIEF!
You see, it is required from you to believe in Him (Jesus). Only those who believe in Him will be saved, and all who don't believe will perish.
Brenda, I don't like to see my brothers and sisters perish with sickness and disease. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only God who can save you, but you need to believe in Him ALONE! And in NO OTHER! That is because He is a jealous God.
He doesn't tolerate you having a relationship with another god and teach others to do the same.
No Brenda! The time is short, trust in the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding.
The Lord is good and does not give us a burden we can't carry, but His yoke is easy and His burden is light, therefore turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.
It's not Einstein's theory, it's a simple decision from your heart and followed by actions. The actions are, that from now on you believe only in Jesus Christ, every post and every comment you make, you preach and promote the Lord Jesus Christ and you condemn every other god.
The Lord Jesus Christ will be with you and lead you into all the truth.
yes are father in heaven is holy jesus christ
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