The Gospel Of SALVATION.
What is the gospel of salvation ?
Most people answer that question by
presenting a strategy pertaining to salvation.
They think that 'gospel' means
'SALVATION'.
In fact, 'gospel' means 'good news', it
means good news in the subject it concerns.
It is supposed to be good news when the
subject concerned is the Kingdom of God.
It is supposed to be good news when the
subject concerned is creation.
It is supposed to be good news when the
subject concerned is 'SALVATION'.
The gospel of SALVATION is the Lord
Jesus Christ portrayed in SALVATION.
The word 'SALVATION' standing by itself
is meaningless.
Saved, from WHAT ?
We need to address the specific meaning
of salvation.
Now the specific meaning of salvation
could be;
SAVED from drowning in the ocean.
SAVED from the hands of terrorists.
SAVED from a broken marriage.
SAVED from a sickness (cancer etc.).
SAVED from being blind.
And also, SAVED from a spiritually dead
state unto life, becoming spiritually alive (born again).
The word 'SALVATION' pertains to all
the above, plus more.
According to the Scriptures and the
Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ I preach a gospel-SALVATION which is
by WORKS. Yes by WORKS! By us doing something for that salvation,
believe in Jesus Christ, have faith in Jesus Christ and by doing what
the Lord Jesus has said.
That is a temporal salvation and is NOT
eternal.
That salvation is for ALL who are
willing to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and seek Him by faith for
whatever our need may be.
If we have great faith, great things
will happen. If we have little faith, little things will happen. If
we have no faith, what do we think will happen?
For everything good, we need to believe
in the Lord Jesus Christ, and that is the good news, called the
gospel.
Anyone who does not believe will
perish, that is called the bad news.
Therefore it is good news for ALL
mankind, and especially for everyone who is willing to believe.
Now, according to the Scriptures and
the Spirit of the Lord, I preach a gospel-SALVATION which is by
GRACE alone! And NOT by works.
That salvation is a FREE GIFT of God
lest any man may boast.
For that salvation no man can do
anything, because he or she is dead, meaning spiritually DEAD, from
the time of Adam, till the new birth (to be born again).
Spiritually dead people can NOT
function in the area in which they are dead. For that reason they
need someone to give them LIFE in the spirit, and only Jesus Christ
can and will give that life to the elect (His children).
Because the new birth salvation is a
free gift from the Lord Jesus Christ, therefore there is nothing
required from us, NO faith, NO belief, NO trust, NOTHING at all!
It is just as the Lord Jesus has said,
“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but
you do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is
everyone who is born of the Spirit”.
Now, that specific salvation is only
for Gods children (the elect), and everyone of Gods children will be
born again. Jesus Christ will lose not one, but save them all, and
they can NEVER lose that salvation which is eternal life, because it
is a FREE GIFT.
Eternal life can not be terminated,
because it is ETERNAL.
That is the good news for all of God's
children.
Now, did you understand that?
If I have not been clear, please let me
hear your concern.
If you have further questions, please
drop a comment.
All comments, good or bad, for or
against are appreciated.
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The Gospel Of SALVATION.Posted by Paul G Sunday, September 06, 2015
After reading many creeds and belief statements
I decided to stick to my own
44 Comments:
If it were by works, we could go to throne of God and tell Jesus to move over, I'm just as good as you are. It's just not going to happen, my friend. Still praying for you to see the truth, that is actually written in the scriptures.
Paul,I am not sure what you mean when you say 'By us doing something for that salvation, believe in Jesus Christ, have faith in Jesus Christ and by doing what the Lord Jesus has said. That is a temporal salvation and is NOT eternal.'
In John ch. 5 v.24 Jesus says:- 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on Him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.'
'Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God' Romans ch. 10 v. 17
So surely having faith through hearing what Jesus, the Word of God, says and believing on God who sent Him brings everlasting life, not temporary salvation.'
Thank you brother Keith.
If you fell into a big pool of water, and you do nothing, you would drown. But if you swim to the shore you would have saved yourself from drowning.
That is called 'saved by works', that is because you did something in order to be saved.
Grace is the absence of your works, meaning that, if you fell into the pool (given that you could not swim or do anything) and somebody else would have rescued you; you would have been saved by GRACE, that is by the works of another.
This is the salvation of Jesus Christ by grace alone. :-)
Brenda, 'Salvation by WORKS' is a salvation which requires works, it requires from you to DO something in order to be saved.
In my comment to Keith (analogy), it is required from you to swim, in order for you to be saved from drowning.
Luke 18:42 Bartimaeus, the blind beggar believed in Jesus and called upon His Name (JESUS). He knew that only doctor Jesus could give him eyesight, and Jesus said, 'YOUR faith has saved thee'.
Can you see, if he would have done nothing, he would have stayed blind.
This is a temporary salvation and is called salvation by works, because he went to Jesus and asked to give him eyesight.
John 5:24 Jesus made a statement of those who have been born again, those who have 'passed from death unto life'. That salvation is by grace alone, lest any man may boast, it is saved from being dead unto being spiritually alive, and only the Lord Jesus is able to do that, and that is NOT temporary.
A person who is dead cannot produce works to give himself life, he is spiritually dead and cannot function in the area in which he is dead, in fact he doesn't know that he is dead. He doesn't know that there is a spiritual life and neither can he accept anything of the Spirit of God, he is a natural man and he only seeks natural things and natural salvation.
So, the Lord Jesus gives natural salvation to ALL men, and He does not want any to perish, but all to be saved.
But that is NOT so with the new birth (salvation from death unto life), that salvation is ONLY for the elect, for God's children from Adam though the line of Seth, Enosh, Kenan etc. to all of us who are born again to this day.
Remember, it's a free gift, and for a free gift is NO works required.
That is good news for us who are born again, and those who are not born from above don't miss anything, because they are dead (spiritually dead and unsaved).
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So what side are you on? Salvation by works or by faith alone? It appears to me that you straddle the fence pretty well in your blog entry. You see, my friend, salvation is by faith and by God's Grace alone. Your works are purely the result of your faith. If you are committed to and love God, then works will come automatically. That is what James is trying to say in James 2. It's the same way that baptism is not part of your salvation requirement, but an acting out of your first obedient act of faith. All of our works are like filthy rags to God. Isaiah 64:6. It is our faith that illuminates our works as acts of love.
Paul,
being born again is being born of God's Spirit. Jesus says in John ch. 7 vs. 38 and 39:-
'He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spoke He of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)'
John ch. 1 vs 12 says:-
'But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:'
We have to have the Spirit of God in us to become children of God, just like Jesus did, and this is given to ALL who believe, and was not given until Jesus was risen after becoming the sacrifice for our sins.
Keith, You said, "You see, my friend, salvation is by faith and by God's Grace alone."
Tell me, which salvation is by God's grace alone? In other words, from WHAT, have you been saved by grace alone?
Remember, salvation standing by itself is meaningless.
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Paul,
I think I know where you are coming from regarding the 'Seth' issue.
However, Seth means 'anointed', and as we the church on earth are the body of Christ, and also regarded as the 'Israel of God', then I believe this is speaking spiritually. If you notice at the end of Genesis ch. 4 it says that Seth (anointed) had a son called 'Enos' (which means man') It is then that men began to call upon the name of the Lord'.
In the beginning of chapter 5 of genesis there is no record of the fall.
From ch. 5 onward it is as if the fall has not happened and I believe all scripture from there on is able to speak spiritually to those who descend from the second Adam, (those of us who have called upon the name of the Lord Jesus the Word of God)in order to instruct us, and transform us into His image, as spoken of in 2 Corinthians ch. 3 v. 18:-
'But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.;
It is like when John the Baptist went in the spirit of Elijah. I can be reading my Bible about a certain person in the old testament and know that it is being shown to me how to be or how not to be, just as I can be taught about the difference between wisdom and foolishness through the proverbs and Ecclesiastes. This is how I am taught, by the scriptures being discerned spiritually. That word has become God's voice to me.
There is only one salvation, that is salvation of your soul unto God.
There is no salvation of your spirit, for Your spirit is transformed at the time of salvation and your first committed act of obedience, which is baptism .
There is no salvation of the body and mind, for they are transformed, and a twinkling of an eye, at the resurrection.
True salvation comes when you:
1.Realize that through the disobedience of Adam, the sin gene or curse has been passed down from Adam and now resides in all of us and there's nothing we can do about it by ourselves.
2. Believe that God provided a sacrifice of like kind, as required by the law, through which we can offer as a sin sacrifice, for our sins. That sacrifice, provided by God, is the man, Y'shua ha Mashiac, Jesus Christ.
3. Once a believer is wholly committed to accepting and believed in this gift, he or she is saved.
That's it. That's all. Nothing else. Period!
Anything else would take away what Y'shua, Jesus Christ did on the cross.
After salvation, a believer must step out on faith and perform his first act of obedience, his/her baptism. Works flow out from this individual automatically, because he/she now has a transformed spirit which is God himself.
If you do not see these works, then the individual did not truly except the gift of salvation. That is why we need to inspect the fruits of an individual that flows from the Spirit of God.
That is exactly the what the Word of God says, nothing added to, nor taken away.
Yes Brenda, we think so much alike, although you and Keith know much more of the meaning of certain names.
Thank you for telling me how God speaks to you.
I know that the Lord speaks to whoever He wishes and however He wishes, He can use the mouth of a donkey to speak to anyone He chooses. But to me He speaks personally just as a father speaks to his son, every loving father does not write a book to speak to his son, he might write a book to speak to sons of disobedience so that they are without excuse.
Remember, all the disciples of the Lord had no Bibles, they were thought by the Lord and spoke the Word of God by the Spirit of the Lord just as I do.
Someone using the Scriptures is NO indication that they speak by the Spirit of the Lord, even Satan has used the Scriptures to tempt the Lord Jesus in the desert.
I was using Seth and Enosh to show the natural DNA line of God's children the elect Genesis 4:25 to 32 to this very day who were to receive the FREE gift of God which is LIFE from the dead, in other words, saved from death unto life.
This is the ONLY salvation which is ALL God's doing and absolutely NOTHING of us.
No asking, NO calling, NO belief, NO faith, absolutely nothing of us.
This is called the salvation of the spirit, or saved from a dead spirit unto life, and that is everlasting (eternal). They are born of the Spirit not natural, nor by the will of man, but only by the will of God (John 1:13).
No Keith, there is not only one salvation.
There is one word called "salvation", but as I have said, 'salvation' standing by itself is meaningless, unless you explain what you are saved from.
Example; If you say that you are 'SAVED', and leave it at that, nobody will know what you are talking about.
I call that religious rhetoric, and many Christians make those kind of nonsensical statements.
Saved from WHAT ??
If you don't tell them from what you have been saved, your statement has no meaning.
If you say that you have been saved from drowning; well, here we have a meaning (DROWNING!).
I might ask you, who has SAVED you from DROWNING?
That is a legitimate question my friend. It could be your brother who has saved you, or your neighbor, or even the Lord Jesus supernaturally, but it is drowning.
Now, that salvation is NOT the same as being saved from blindness (Luke 18:42), and neither is it the same salvation as being saved from death unto life (born again), and there are many other examples.
Point 1, the realisation of a doctrine cannot save. What about if that which you 'realise' is not true?
I think it needs more than just to realise something.
Point 2, Yes I accept the first half of the sentence, but not the rest.
God didn't provide a man to be the sacrifice for our sins. He is a lot better than that, it is God Himself who came and gave Himself as a sacrifice on the cross, He did NOT sent someone else.
Point 3, I have to ask you, which gift? Do you mean the 'free gift of God'?
My Bible says that the free gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE.
Brother Keith, you can't accept or reject eternal life, that is an impossibility.
Eternal life is that which is in your possession and not that which is offered. If something is offered, it is an offering and not a free gift.
The rest of your comment demands FRUIT INSPECTORS in every church and for that reason the doctrine is not true.
By the way, I didn't respond to your "drowning" analogy because it is not analogous to true salvation, especially works based salvation. In a works based salvation, as you support, you would tread water until you get to the edge of the pool. In true salvation, God throws you a flotation device after you show faith in God's ability and willingness, no body elses, to save throw you the flotation device, which is Y'shua, Jesus.
Before we get started, I would like to express the one thing you and I can agree on and it is bibical. Salvation is not eternal life per se. You have had and always will have eternal life, regardless of your salvation position. You have had eternal life prior to you even being in the womb. Jeremiah 1. Salvation is simply where you will reside after the judgment seat. If you are saved, you will be in the presence of the Lord in the new heaven and earth. Otherwise, you will reside in hell.
"There is one word called "salvation", but as I have said, 'salvation' standing by itself is meaningless, unless you explain what you are saved from."
My friend, you are totally off the mark, on this one. True salvation does stand by itself for it is instituted, confirmed and maintain by God, himself. True salvation is when you come to the realization that the sin curse has been passed down from Adam to you and there is nothing you can do about it. True salvation is realizing, believing, having faith and relying on the fact that God provided a sacrifice in Y'shua. As far as works REQUIRED, that's it. Quite simply, God Saves, not you.
As a result of this salvation from the penalty of your sins, works will automatically flow out in the form of your actions. If you have true salvation, you will step out publicly and reveal this faith in the form of works, otherwise known as obedience, the first act of faith and obedience is a public baptism. That is what is meant by faith without works is dead. Faith without obedience is dead. It is a very simple concept to grasp.
You see, my friend, God doesn't make it hard. He doesn't required you to do anything else. Telling everyone that works are required for salvation is telling Jesus, Y'shua, that what he did on the cross was useless and that it fell short, which is not true, not biblical and very insulting to God. Adding to or taking away from what the Messiah did for us on the cross is of Satan. The Messiah, Y'shua, Jesus, did everything necessary for our salvation when he lived a perfect life according to the law and died upon the cross as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. His blood and only his blood covers our sin and justifies us before the perfect, just, and righteous God of all creation
We, as sinful human beings, cannot perform any work equal to or greater than God and it is very arrogant of us to think that we can. As with most modern day Christian cults, this view is skewed from what is actually Biblical. But that is what is expected from the master of deception, Satan, as he attempts to work his magic on us.
You see my friend, that is why I'm constantly telling you to dig into the original scriptures. Relying entirely on a false interpretation, such as any of the English translations, will only get you into trouble. The point in case, you erroneous belief that Y'shua is the Father and now this unbiblical works base salvation.
Y'shua, Jesus, tells us, in his kingdom parables, that the church will be infiltrated by the birds of the shy, which symbolizes disciples of Satan. That is why we are to be FRUIT INSPECTORS. We will be able to tell the disciples of the Messiah from the disciples of Satan by their works. We will also be able to stop the infiltration of false doctrine, such as a works based salvation. Once again, your works are not equal to the Messiah's or God, such arrogance.
As I write, I cannot believe that any man would attempt to equate his own works to God. Again, such arrogance. His anger runneth over when man attempts to add things to the perfect act of his son. This is not of God but of Satan. How dare man attribute their useless mortal acts at the same level of the loving, selfless act of his son, Y'shua?
I hope and pray that you will realize the error of your ways and come to God. He is calling you with open arms. The God, that is greater than any work that you can perform, is calling you to repentance. If would only you confess, God is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins. He is calling you to get back into the real scriptures and get to know the one and only God.
I believe you on the basis of your testimony, that you have accepted the free gift of salvation, God's perfect sacrifice for our sins, his Son Y'shua, and we are brothers in the Messiah. However, now is the time to repent of your arrogance and develop a closer relationship with God. It is possible and I know you have the strength to resist the deceiver, that is Satan. I do believe that God has put Brenda and me, here, at this time, to minister unto you.
Please answer the call. We love you my friend, God loves you. Come closer to God.
Paul,
if you are using Seth and his descendants to define who are God's children through his DNA, then as all apart from those who were with Noah on the ark would have been destroyed in the flood, and so all descendants of Seth would be those who are on the earth now because his DNA would be in all just as you claim it is in you. So how do you explain Genesis ch. 6 vs. 1 and 2 which say:-
'And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose'
Why would they not all be descended from Seth?
I believe there is far more to the Bible than being just a book, and we are told that they are discerned spiritually ( 1 Corinthians ch. 2 v. 14)
2 Timothy ch. 3 vs. 16 and 17 says:-
'All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.' so even though 'Bibles' may not have existed when the disciples were around, they still had scripture Paul.
As far as Satan tempting Jesus with scripture is concerned, there is no scripture that tells a person to jump off a cliff Paul, and those who try to tempt with scripture can always be answered with scripture, as Jesus did.
I would be very interested to know how God speaks to you Paul, if not through scripture, could you share a little of your testimony concerning this? I don't ask this to try to trap you in any way, but to get to know you more and to try to understand how you claim you are born of the Spirit and taught, and why you would be any different from any other human being. For if you had to do nothing, as you claim when you say :-
'This is the ONLY salvation which is ALL God's doing and absolutely NOTHING of us.
No asking, NO calling, NO belief, NO faith, absolutely nothing of us.'
then surely as all descended from Seth, would not all of mankind have to do nothing?
Keith,
I agree totally with what you have said here:-
'As a result of this salvation from the penalty of your sins, works will automatically flow out in the form of your actions. If you have true salvation, you will step out publicly and reveal this faith in the form of works, otherwise known as obedience, the first act of faith and obedience is a public baptism. That is what is meant by faith without works is dead. Faith without obedience is dead. It is a very simple concept to grasp.'
Well brother Keith, what is true salvation?
All salvation is true and if it is not true it's no salvation at all.
Or is there a fake salvation?
You said, "God throws you a flotation device after you show faith in God's ability and willingness".
No my friend, God is not an impotent saviour, and neither is He a salvation provider.
If He throws you a flotation device and you can't grab it and drown, He says, 'I did ALL I could, but you wouldn't grab the device'.
What kind of a useless saviour would that be?
The Lord Jesus is a lot better than that.
Yes, you fell into a raging river and the Lord Jesus was watching and was waiting till you have really drowned (died). He then slowly strip's off His garment and leaps into the raging river and drags your lifeless body ashore. In front of all the bystanders He breathes new life into you (born again) in order to confound the wise and the intelligent. As you open your eyes and look at your SAVIOR, the first words you will say to your saviour, 'Abba Father', and remember, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is your saviour and not another entity called 'God'.
You said,"Salvation is not eternal life per se. You have had and always will have eternal life, regardless of your salvation position. You have had eternal life prior to you even being in the womb. Jeremiah 1. Salvation is simply where you will reside after the judgement seat. If you are saved, you will be in the presence of the Lord in the new heaven and earth. Otherwise, you will reside in hell."
I'm glad that you tell me what you believe, but we are not on the same page my friend.
Why did Jesus say that you must be born again if you already have eternal life?
Why did Jesus say that "in Adam ALL have died (1 Cor. 15:22 and Rom. 5:14)", if they don't need to be born again and receive the free gift of life eternal (salvation from death)?
How can a man reside in hell if Jesus suffered for the consequence of his sin on the cross?
You said, "I cannot believe that any man would attempt to equate his own works to God. Again, such arrogance."
Tell me, WHICH God' and His work? Do you think Yahweh?
In the Bible there is only ONE God who performed works and that is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He alone created the heavens and the earth and everything in it. How then can you equate your works to the Lord Jesus Christ who is God over all (Rom. 9:5)?
You said, "As a result of this salvation from the penalty of your sins, works will automatically flow out in the form of your actions. If you have true salvation,"
So, you are talking about SAVED from the penalty of sin.
Don't you think that there is a difference between that salvation and being saved from drowning in a ocean?
And don't you think that there is a difference between a salvation from drowning in an ocean and being saved from a spiritually dead state unto a life?
Continued on next comment.
Yes, everybody wants to be a FRUIT INSPECTOR, but those fruit inspectors don't want their own fruit to be inspected.
You said, "He doesn't required you to do anything else."
So then, you believe that something is required to be saved. That is called salvation by works!
That is exactly what I am saying.
Please read my post again, in contrast to salvation by works, I also preach a SALVATION which GRACE ALONE, apart from works, apart from any requirements, and that salvation is being saved from death unto LIFE eternal.
Can you see, two types of salvation, one by works another by grace.
It's not rocket science, it's simple.
You said, "His blood and only his blood covers our sin and justifies us before the perfect, just, and righteous God of all creation”
Why do you make those statements, when you clearly don't believe them?
You don't believe that it is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth who is the 'righteous God of all creation".
So, why make those statements?
Even though the Scriptures plainly tells you that the Lord Jesus Christ is the CREATOR of heaven and earth and everything in it (1John 1:3+10 and Col. 1:16).
But you refuse to believe in Jesus and you give that glory which belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ to ANOTHER god you call 'Yahweh'.
You said, "He is calling you to get back into the real scriptures and get to know the one and only God."
Again, who is that 'one and only God' you are talking about? Yahweh? Huh!
Jesus said, "If you do not know that I am He, you will die in your sin (John 8:24)".
That's a good question Brenda.
The answer is, that the sin of Eve was to mingle the DNA from Adam with the DNA of the Serpent.
That's why we have two lines in the family tree of life, Adams children, Genesis 5:1-32 and the Serpents children, Genesis 4:16-23.
In Genesis 6 before the flood, God's children through the line of Adam interbred with the Serpents children the daughters of men (Gen. 4:16-23).
Brenda, they are not all descendants of Seth.
If you can not see that, then you will not be able to understand the atonement and neither will you understand election.
In a previous comment I have told you how God speaks to me, "But to me He speaks personally just as a father speaks to his son, every loving father does not write a book to speak to his son, he might write a book to speak to sons of disobedience so that they are without excuse."
It troubles me immensely that the Lord Jesus Christ does not talk to you as a Father to His daughter.
On the other hand I can easily understand. You are denying the Lord Jesus Christ to be your Father who is in heaven and claim someone else to be your Father God, a god called Yahweh.
And for that reason you don't hear His voice. But all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ hear His voice just as He has said (John 10:27). But you don't hear His voice, because you believe in another god called Yahweh and neither do you believe the Bible who clearly says that Jesus Christ is the God who created all things, the ONLY God.
I do not claim to be any different to any other human being, but I claim to be different to anyone who doesn't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I am sorry I am so late in answering your comment Paul, we have been away for the weekend to Bletchley Park (code breakers World War 2) and the Duxford Imperial War Museum and Battle of Britain 75th anniversary air show.
Re. your comment to me Paul,
there is no scripture that says that the serpent and Eve had children, the serpent was the one who tempted Eve, who questioned and then also convinced Adam, to question God's word.
The scriptures are discerned spiritually and I believe that those spoken of before ch. 5, up to ch. 4 v 24 are representative of those who live according to the natural mind which is possessed by Satan the deceiver,(Cain means 'possessed' or 'spear').
However, those born from Seth, from ch. 4 v. 25 onwards, after men began to call upon the name of the Lord, are representative of those who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, who have the mind of Christ, after having called upon the name of Jesus, whom God has made our Lord. (Seth means 'anointed')
You say that in a previous comment you have told me how God speaks to you:-
"But to me He speaks personally just as a father speaks to his son, every loving father does not write a book to speak to his son, he might write a book to speak to sons of disobedience so that they are without excuse."
Yet what I am asking of you is an example of how He speaks to you Paul, as in a testimony of a particular time that He spoke to you, as I have shared in my blog how the Lord has spoken to me in my life, and yes- as a Father speaks to His child.
Where you quote from John ch. 10 v.27 Paul, yes Jesus does say about those who believe in Him hear His voice and follow Him, but if you read on to v.30 He says:-
'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.”
you will see that He also speaks about His Father. I hear Jesus' voice in these verses also Paul, speaking about His Father, who has given those children (sheep) to Him, Who Jesus (the shepherd) Himself claims is greater than all, and with Whom Jesus is One. The Oneness is in the Spirit Paul, just as when we believe in Jesus and obey His commands we become One with Him and with the Father (in the Spirit).
I too claim to be different to anyone who doesn't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ Paul, but to believe in Jesus I have to believe in what He says, as in those verses.
That's OK Brenda, I'm away a lot myself, and we are not in hurry, are we? :-)
You said, "there is no scripture that says that the serpent and Eve had children, the serpent was the one who tempted Eve, who questioned and then also convinced Adam, to question God's word."
Well, it's not like that. That doesn't say anything.
It's not a question of QUESTION God's Word, or CONVINCING Adam.
What do you think, would God kill His only son (at that time) Adam because he questioned Him?
No Brenda.
Adam was created perfect and he was not deceived, nor did he question the Lord.
And it's not a question of disobedience or eating an apple as most Christians think. I wish that they would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and read their Bible in the presence of the Lord.
Please read Genesis 3:15 The Lord is speaking to the serpent, saying, "I will put enmity between YOU and the woman, and between YOUR children (the serpents children) and her children", her children from Adam, and for that reason she became the mother of all living (the serpents children and Adams children Gen. 3:20).
You see, this is the fall of man, and from here on we have the two lines, God's children and Satan's children, the elect and the reject, the good and the bad, believers and unbelievers, the sheep and the goats etc.
You said, "However, those born from Seth, from ch. 4 v. 25 onwards, after men began to call upon the name of the Lord, are representative of those who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, who have the mind of Christ, after having called upon the name of Jesus, whom God has made our Lord. (Seth means 'anointed')"
Yes Brenda, but you still leave that back door open for another god to raise its head.
You said, 'called upon the name of Jesus, whom God has made our Lord'.
It seems to me that you can't distinguish the difference between reality and metaphors, between the natural and the spiritual. I think, for that reason you are transgressing the first and the second commandment of the Lord.
Tell me, who made Jesus our Lord?
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You said, "You will see that He also speaks about His Father. I hear Jesus' voice in these verses also Paul, speaking about His Father, who has given those children (sheep) to Him," and, "I too claim to be different to anyone who doesn't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ Paul, but to believe in Jesus I have to believe in what He says, as in those verses."
No Brenda, you don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and neither can you hear His voice in these verses.
You believe in another god by the name Yahweh who supposedly gave some sheep (children) to Jesus.
No No Brenda!
You need to believe in JESUS who is the Christ! And not in a false Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4) who is a son to some kind of a god called Yahweh.
You need to rid yourself of that false doctrine once and for all and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
First you must to believe the Scriptures, that the Lord Jesus doesn't have a Father (Hebr. 7:3).
If the Lord Jesus would have a Father, then He would not and could not be the creator of heaven and earth.
And then you need to believe what the Lord Jesus has said concerning Himself, that HE is the Father, (John 10:30 John 14:9 Isa. 9:6 and many more).
Also, when Jesus was speaking about the Father, He always spoke figuratively, which is metaphorically (John 16:25).
There are many reasons why the Lord spoke figuratively; He spoke from the position or the perspective of a man, of a brother, a Shepherd, a high priest , a Father etc. in order that the unbelieving would not recognize Him, and those who believe in Him would be convinced that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty came in flesh. And for that reason they worshiped the Lord Jesus just as I worship Him and no other.
You said, "Yet what I am asking of you is an example of how He speaks to you Paul, as in a testimony of a particular time that He spoke to you, as I have shared in my blog how the Lord has spoken to me in my life, and yes- as a Father speaks to His child."
As you know, God does not dwell in temples but inside of a born again believers, just as He has said in (John 14:23). But that does not mean that two persons will make their abode in us, of course not! that's figuratively, meaning that Jesus will come and live in us as the Father (John 14:18). Remember the prayer of the Lord Jesus in John 17?
So, from where do you think that the Lord Jesus is speaking to me?
From without or from within?
According to the Scriptures and the Spirit, God is speaking to me from inside, from my Spirit who now is alive through the new birth.
Tell me, why do Christians say that you need to ask Jesus to come into your heart??
Paul,
I believe in Jesus (the Messiah) Whom God made my Lord:-
the One that God(Who is Spirit):- 'God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth:- 'But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be His worshippers.(John ch. 4 v. 24) sent to be our mediator and the sacrifice for our sins:- 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;'(1 Timothy ch. 2 v.6)
There are several verses in both the old testament and the new testament which speak about God and Jesus:-
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." (Psalm 110 v. 1)
'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 'Matthew ch. 22 v. 44
'Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.' Acts ch. 2 v. 36,
Yes Jesus is a mighty God and when we become a child of God we too are called 'gods', just as children of men are called men:-
'I said, 'You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.'(Psalm 82 v. 6)
Please give me an example of a time that the Lord spoke to you, that is all I ask. I love to hear all believers' testimonies, and I love the way the Lord guides me to do what He has called me to do. He accompanies His word with signs too.
I know He does not dwell in a house made with hands. We are the temple of God, those who are born again of His Spirit - lively stones:-
'if you have tasted that the Lord is gracious: unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with God elect, precious, you also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Because it is contained in scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: And he that believes on Him shall not be put to shame.' (1 Peter ch. 2 vs. 3 - 6)
Brenda, the problem is still there.
You said, "God is Spirit and Jesus was His Word made flesh,"
Here again, you put the the Lord Jesus on the back burner so to speak and you do that every opportunity you have.
You are promoting another god above the Lord Jesus and portray Jesus to be some kind of an attachment to this god who is supposedly be 'Spirit'.
Jesus was NOT the verbal word or the written word of this god you call Yahweh. Certainly not, Brenda.
I expect you to testify to Jesus and say that it is JESUS who is the God who is Spirit and it is JESUS who is the Word and it is JESUS who was clothed in flesh and NOT this other god you call Yahweh. Jesus was not the Word of Yahweh and neither is Yahweh the Spirit of God.
John 4:24, 'God is Spirit' and that Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and NO other! (2 Cor.3:17).
1 Timothy 3:16 'God was manifested in flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached unto the Gentiles'.
Who is that God?
Brenda, we both know, that this God is the Lord JESUS Christ and NO other!
Jesus Christ is NOT the Son of Yahweh, and neither is Jesus Christ the Son of someone else, of a god, or an entity.
Jesus Christ is only CALLED the Son of God (Luke 1:35).
It is God who was clothed in flesh and was in appearance like one of us, a son, and in that sense He called Himself 'the Son of God', and as a son He also must speak and testify about His Father just like every son must do, every man must have a father.
Because the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the Father of all creation and by His incarnation He called Himself 'SON', therefore He always spoke figuratively (metaphorically) about the Father and also about God.
John 20:17 Jesus said, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God,'.
What does that mean? Does The Lord Jesus has a Father? And a God?
No Brenda, that is figurative and it means that the Lord Jesus ascends to Spirit. He came from Spirit and is going back to Spirit.
The same is with John 13:3, Jesus came from God and went back to God.
You have quoted 'John 16:29' yes the Lord Jesus speaks plainly to His disciples and to me, but not to you Brenda.
You still believe that the Father is another person called Yahweh, and for that reason it's figurative for you.
I'm telling you plainly that Jesus is the Father, but you don't believe it and quoting metaphors to me.
Why is it so difficult for you to believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ?
Why do you need to attach another god to the ONLY true God Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20)?
And, why don't you believe when Jesus said in Isaiah 43 :10 'Before Me there was NO God formed, And there will be NONE after Me'?
Which God do you think is speaking in Isaiah 43:10, Jesus or Yahweh??
Look Brenda, Jesus said in John 8:24, 'I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you BELIEVE that I am HE, you will die in your sins.'
Concerning adoption.
It seems to me that you don't understand a Biblical adoption.
In the western world, when I adopt a boy, I might call him son and the papers will say that he is my adopted son, but he NEVER will be my son, that is because he has a different father, different DNA.
In fact it is impossible for him to BECOME my son through adoption.
The same is with the children of God, they were in the Father before the foundation of the world. The Lord didn't adopted sons of another father (the devil) (John 8:41-44).
Whatever you say Paul,
Jesus is the Word of God, and just like my word is part of me so too is Jesus, who was born of the Spirit, is part of God, who is Spirit. That is how God was able to communicate with us, it is very simple. We shall all be one with God. I can not teach you any more than you can teach me Paul, for 'No man shall say 'Know the Lord,' they shall all be taught by God'.
You still have not given me a testimony of when and what God spoke to you.
Brenda, if you say it like that, then God becomes an unknowable God and who can ever know Him?
And that makes the Lord Jesus Christ NOT the only God but only a part or an attachment of this unknowable God whom you call Yahweh.
You said, "You still have not given me a testimony of when and what God spoke to you."
I'm not sure what you mean, I think that you have a presupposition here. It looks like that you think that God speaks only occasional to His children, but that is not so with me, He always speaks to me and He is in constant communication with me and I recognize His voice, and when I hear any other voice I do not believe them or go after them. The Father is greater than I, and I say the things which my Father says to say, even to you.
I know my Father who is in heaven and I know Him by Name (JESUS), and for that reason I am not an orphan but a son, a son of the living God Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
It's possible that the Lord speaks to many people in different ways, but to me He speaks plainly. He does not play mind games or guessing games with me, nor does He speak to me through impressions or events, and neither does He speak to me through a person who claims to be the Word (whatever that means).
The Bible to me is the WRITTEN Word of my Lord, and it is for those who don't hear His voice and for those who have gone astray, and also for correction in doctrine and conduct.
I do not play religion or bung on any spirituality, therefore I need My Lord to speak to me plainly, or else I can't hear Him or understand Him, and if I can't hear Him, I can't tell you what He has said.
I have clearly and plainly told you what He has said, that you need to turn away from this other god called Yahweh, and back again to the Lord Jesus Christ who has bought you with His blood. You belong to Jesus Christ and not to Yahweh.
And you don't have the right to believe what you like to believe if you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
In the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ there are no lone Rangers, and we all ought to present the Lord Jesus Christ to be the King and God in His Kingdom.
You say that you believe in Jesus Paul, yet you don't appear to believe what He says about the Father, Whom Jesus is seated at the right hand of, and the fact that we too are seated with Jesus in those heavenly places.
Ephesians ch. 2 vs. 4 - 6:-
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
As far as an example of Jesus speaking to you is concerned Paul, I just wanted to hear part of your testimony, as I shared part of mine in several posts on my blog, such as when my friend and myself were attending a church gathering in Bridgend and the pastor there said they wanted people to go to visit prisoners in Cardiff prison. We had been shown continuously about 'setting the prisoners free' and other scriptures to bring us to believe that the Lord wanted us to visit the prison. The pastor turned us down, and we sought the Lord over it, Who kept showing us the scripture 'I have set before you an open door' Rev. ch. 3 v. 8. We went to Cardiff and while in the market there I went into the ladies' toilets there. I went to put money in the door and a girl said. 'I just put money in there and the door would not open. My money had already been put in and the door opened. When I came out, another person put money in and the door would not open. We were accepted as visitors on the lifers' wing in the prison and had a wonderful time evangelizing.
That is what I would like you to share Paul, a small part of your testimony of your time serving the Lord.
Brenda, that is a nice testimony and I'm sure that you were very encouraged. The Lord does encourage us and the world with signs and wonders of His marvelous ways.
But experiences do not validate the belief in the true God which is Jesus Christ.
All Spiritualist's, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Satanists, Hare Krishna and most Christian church people have their spiritual experiences, but that doesn't mean that their god is the true God.
Before I was born again I had many spiritual experiences, but that didn't mean that I knew God. In fact I didn't know the creator of heaven and earth, I only heard ABOUT Him but I didn't KNOW Him personally.
It is one thing to know about God and it is another thing to KNOW Him.
I now can say that I know Him because I met Him, it is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth who appeared to me nearly two thousand years after His ascension.
I have been walking very closely with my Lord for 33 years and during that time numerous signs and wonders have occurred, I mean supernatural signs and wonders, not just little things which could be naturally explained.
My heavenly Father Jesus Christ is the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it, and I do not expect little things from Him but mighty things just as He has demonstrated during His incarnation and His ministry on earth.
The Lord Jesus Christ has not stopped to perform signs and wonders, He now performs them through everyone who believes in Him including me.
The reason I have not shared my experiences on the blog is that they are to long and it would takes too many pages and the Lord Jesus Christ has called me to be His Ambassador or His representative.
As you can see that most of my posts are on the deity of Jesus Christ.
Brenda, you said, "You say that you believe in Jesus Paul, yet you don't appear to believe what He says about the Father, Whom Jesus is seated at the right hand of, and the fact that we too are seated with Jesus in those heavenly places."
The best way to understand those terms or passages are, if you first start with the Lord Jesus Christ.
If the Lord Jesus is the creator of all things, then it is impossible for Him to sit at another gods right hand. There cannot be two God's, and if you think that God is Spirit, then Jesus could not sit at the right hand of a spirit, since a spirit doesn't have hands and neither do they need hands.
Remember, there is only one God and that is the Father (1 Cor. 8:6), Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father is a metaphoric term, meaning that Jesus is the Father and that He has all authority in the flesh here on earth to do whatever pleases Him. As for us, we are NOT the Father, but we have a Father and that is Jesus Christ, and we are in Him ruling and raining on earth and in heavenly places.
Heavenly places are the realm of the spirit or the domain of the spirit.
Brenda, before I became born again, I could not see that realm and neither could I function in it, but now I see it and I'm able to function and pulling down any strongholds etc.
And that GRACE in salvation you are talking about is the new birth, it is saved from being spiritually dead unto eternal life of the spirit. It doesn't speak of a natural salvation as being saved from the mouth of a shark etc. well, I don't have a problem if you think that natural salvation is by grace, I only object if you you think that it is always ONLY by grace.
Remember, I maintain the position that (natural) salvation is by works.
I do not understand Paul that you cannot understand that Jesus, the Word made flesh and the first born of all creation, was the man who was born as the first Son of God, the first of many brethren, because He was born of the Spirit. Yes, He was the creator of Heaven and Earth because He was the Word of God made flesh and the way that God brought things into existence was through 'speaking' them into existence:-
'And God SAID, Let there be light: and there was light.' Genesis ch. 1 v.3 on the first day
'And God SAID, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' Genesis ch. 1 v6 on the second day,
until He got to the sixth day when He said ' Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:'
That word 'man' in that verse is plural, and who do you think the 'our' is Paul?
It is not coincidence that the first Adam fell into a deep sleep and 1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 17 and 18 say:-
'and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished'
Where Jesus says 'Today and tomorrow I do cures, the third day I shall be perfected'
I believe absolutely that Jesus is speaking spiritually with regards to one day being a thousand years with God (2 Peter ch. 3 v.8), where for the past two thousand years He has been the mediator (being God's Word) between man and God and that His church, His body ( the body of Christ) is being formed, and close to being perfected.
As for not being able to share part of your testimony because it would be too long Paul, there was much more to the testimony I shared, but I cut it down. I am sure you could with yours too. I would just like to hear a little of an example of how He spoke to you and what scripture He spoke to you through.
No Brenda, it's not like that.
Jesus is not the word, He is not some kind of attachment to God or some kind of offspring of God. No Brenda, that would be religious nonsense.
Don't make it complicated, just keep it simple.
In the beginning was 'GOD', and we know that it is the Lord Jesus Christ who created all things, therefore that 'GOD' is the Lord Jesus.
'God' is not a name but a title, so therefore that title belongs to Jesus.
You see, very simple.
It is important that we do not prematurely read things into the text which are not there, and especially we have to make sure that we do not demote the Lord Jesus Christ and elevate another. Or remove the glory which belongs to Jesus Christ and give that glory to another.
The glory of ALL creation belongs to no other than Jesus Christ.
It is an insult to the creator of heaven and earth to say and teach that He has a Father, or a mother, or a God. No, He is the FIRST and the LAST and there is no other!
Genesis 1:26, here again, we should not read into the text something it doesn't say.
From verse 24 on is the sixth 24 hour day of the Lords creation and it has nothing to do with a thousand year theory.
Note, everything has been created, all the beasts of the field, but one of the beast was different to all other beasts, that beast was more crafty than all other beasts of the field (Gen. 3:1) which the Lord Jesus Christ has made.
Obviously that beast was the only one beast who could speak, reason and seduce etc. and man was not yet made.
In that circumstance the Lord Jesus said, "Let US make man in OUR image".
It is not difficult to see and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ spoke to the serpent (Gen. 1:26) because there were only two who could speak and two who could make things, the Lord and the serpent and nobody else, and it is the Lord Jesus who created the serpent different to all other beasts of the field for a purpose.
And Genesis 1:26 explains the purpose.
2 Peter 3:8, is the same, don't read too quickly something into the text it doesn't say.
Many mighty men of God used that text to predict the coming of the Lord and have miserably failed.
To me it simply means that the Lord is not slow concerning His promise, giving everybody enough time to repent.
That is also for you and Keith and anyone else who reads that comment.
You should NOT be found at the return of the Lord believing in another god called Yahweh, therefore the Lord Jesus Christ is calling you to repent and to ditch that god you call Yahweh, he is a hindrance to you and a deceiver who leads you astray.
Concerning my testimony; yes I considered to write a post, but I try to keep my posts as short as I can and direct to the point.
It is nothing worse than reading lengthy posts and most people can't be bothered about it.
Personal testimonies are better face to face in small groups or in public meetings.
As for me, I did not have a short encounter with my Lord, but a dramatic change of my life, or better, I died to my former life and I received a new life from the dead, to be born again just as the Lord has said in (John 3:3).
Remember the song of John Newton, 'Amazing grace that saved a wretch like me, I once was blind but now I see …......', that song to me became experience and not some words only on paper.
I did not get saved in a church or in a church assembly but in a meadow near my house.
My salvation is a dramatic change of my life in every regard, not just a few Scriptures that Lord has dealt with me.
Just one of my testimonies would fill many pages, and I think it's not the right time.
Brenda, it would be too much to share all that has happened and it continually does happen, that is because I believe in an all powerful God Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
It is better for me to win you and Keith to believe also in Jesus Christ just as I do, that is the commission the Lord has given me to do.
Paul,
It is obvious you are not going to share what I am asking you to share, even a small part of how the Lord has spoken to you. As for YHWH, it is the English translation of the name that the Israelites used for God, Who led them out of Egypt. Jesus is the English translation of the Word of God made flesh, in the form of the man Jesus, of Whom it is prophesied in Isaiah ch. 7 vs. 14 - 16:-
'Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken.'
which is confirmed in Matthew ch. 1 v.23:-
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us").
As far as being the Word of God is concerned:-
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God' John 1 v.1
Just like the word that I speak is me when I truly speak as I think, but if I do not speak according to what I think then I am not speaking truth. So too Jesus had to be born of God's Spirit, not of man's spirit, in order to speak God's truth, so that we might also, through believing on Jesus, be born of that same Spirit. For Jesus said in John ch. 6 v. 63:-
'It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.'
That is why the flesh part of Jesus was destroyed, as a sacrifice. It was the Spirit in the man Jesus that was God, the flesh was not.
Brenda, that is NOT true, you are believing a LIE!
'YHWH' is NOT the English translation for God, YHWH are four letters of the alphabet which cannot be translated, and nobody in the whole world can translate that because it has no vowels, it's not possible to say it or speak it.
Not even the Israelite's can say it.
Please think about it, and don't buy into every blatant lie the devil promotes.
And 'Jesus' is NOT a translation. Jesus is a NAME.
Jesus is the only one NAME of God.
God never had another Name.
Again Brenda, which Lord will give you a sign?
Is there another Lord other than Jesus?
It is obvious that you don't believe that Lord of the Old Testament is the same Lord of the New Testament. Is Jesus the Lord or not? Or is Jesus a little Lord?
Remember, the Lord your God changes NOT! He is the same yesterday, today and for ever.
(Isa. 6:14) Is the Lord Jesus speaking about Himself.
And don't make John 1:1 complicated.
John 1:1 simply means that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth and nothing more.
Verse 5 tells us, that darkness cannot understand that, in other words, those who are in spiritual darkness are unable to see or comprehend.
Verse 13 tells us, that only those who are born again are able to see and understand and believe.
Brenda, I expect you to believe.
You said, "That is why the flesh part of Jesus was destroyed, as a sacrifice. It was the Spirit in the man Jesus that was God, the flesh was not."
I don't like the way you say that.
Why can't you say, 'the flesh part of GOD' ?
It was GOD who was clothed in flesh and became a man, it wasn't a MAN who was clothed with God and became God.
It is not possible to see a spirit with our natural eyes, and God is a Spirit, therefore we only can see God when He is in a body of flesh, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Jesus Christ is the Lord God whether He is in a body (flesh) or not.
And the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit whether He was clothed in flesh or not (2 Cor.3:17).
And neither was the Lord Jesus Christ only partly God.
It troubles me immensely that you don't believe in Jesus Christ.
Paul,
Where you say:-'YHWH' is NOT the English translation for God, I did not say this, and I think you may read my comments in the same way that you appear to read the Bible. I said ' As for YHWH, it is the English translation OF THE NAME THAT THE ISRAELITES USED FOR GOD, Who led them out of Egypt.'
There is far more to God's name than we could ever imagine, and 'Jesus' is also an English translation of the original name.
As for what God looks like:-
'Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; FOR WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS.'
It was the WORD of God that was made flesh Paul and yes, the Lord Jesus is the Spirit, and through believing in Jesus we become one in Him and with God, as Jesus states in John ch. 17 vs.20 - 22:-
'Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: '
That US is the Word of God made flesh who, in the beginning, was with God and was God, and even though I may not understand it with my carnal mind I understand it fully with the mind of Christ.
It could not be made more plain Paul. I adore my Lord Jesus, and I do whatever He tells me to do in evangelizing in the streets with what He has given me to evangelize with to those who hopefully will believe on Him through what I preach.
Tell me about what happened in the meadow Paul, I am interested, it should not take many pages to write about that one incident.
Brenda, you said, "YHWH, it is the English translation of the name that the Israelite's used for God,"
And I said, YHWH is NOT not the English translation for God. And neither is it an English translation of the original name whatever you think that original name is.
No one can translate YHWH into a name, not even the Israelite's, and neither can you.
You are supposed to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT the Israelite's.
The Scriptures (the Bible) is supposed to be the authority over the Israelite's, but history will tell that they didn't believe the Scriptures to this very day. I am speaking about natural Israel and not the elect whom the Lord Jesus Christ has chosen out of the nation of Israel.
Israel makes the same mistake as you, or, perhaps I should say that you follow in the same mistake and unbelief as the Israelite's did in the wilderness even to this very day.
They always turned away from the Lord, and when He came to His own (the Israelite's), they received Him not, but rejected Him and crucified Him.
If they would have known that the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the ONLY God of all creation, they would not have rejected Him.
But as for you, DON'T follow the Israelite's!
They have rejected the cornerstone which is Jesus Christ and build their own religion.
You said, "FOR WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS."
Yes Brenda, but when will you see Him as He is?
When you are dead?
Don't you think it's NOW time for you see Him as He is?
You said, "and through believing in Jesus we become one in Him and with God, as Jesus states in John ch. 17 vs.20 – 22:-"
Well, even the demons believe in God (James 2:19), and certainly they do not become one with God the creator of heaven and earth.
The reason you don't understand John chapter 17 is because you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty come in flesh.
I know that you are very evangelistic Brenda, but you need to preach Jesus Christ as 'God', or else you have labored in vain.
Paul,
it is obvious that whatever anyone says to you, for I have seen some of the conversations you have had on your other posts, you will have an argument with them that is not scripture based - and you will not listen to what they are actually saying. You also appear to argue with what Jesus is saying.
The only thing that remains for me to say to you is to do whatever you feel the Lord is telling you to do. That word is your judge:-
'If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak' (John ch. 12 vs. 47-49)
Farewell.
Brenda, you said, "The only thing that remains for me to say to you is to do whatever you feel the Lord is telling you to do. That word is your judge:-"
In the beginning, that is exactly what the woman did, she did what her 'FEELING' is telling her and not what the Lord Jesus has said.
The Lord Jesus told her, that He and the Father are one (John 10:30), but her FEELINGS told her that Jesus and the Father are TWO.
Perhaps, that's the reason why deception is at the heart of the woman (1 Tim 2:14).
I'm not saying that man cannot be deceived, but the man of God believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT in his feelings.
Look around you Brenda, all those women pastors and Reverends and teachers in most churches, all claim to believe the Scriptures, they even pretend to teach the Scriptures, but I can assure you that not one of them believes the Scriptures.
Perhaps I should say that again, NOT even ONE of those women priests believes the Scriptures!
It's a shame, isn't it?
I surely would like to talk to them. Interestingly they don't want to talk to me.
The Lord Jesus told me, that they are not listening to me because they don't listen to Him.
After all, I'm His representative.
I do not make disciples unto myself, but I try to convince everyone to repent of their false gods and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from this evil and wicked generation.
The door is still open for you Brenda and also for brother Keith and anyone else who reads this comment.
Please join me on the narrow way which is Jesus Christ (John 14:6), any other way leads you to destruction and it doesn't matter how you feel.
Just make a decision Brenda.
Do not harden your heart and don't worry what anyone thinks.
Make a public confession just as I do.
It would be an honour for me to work beside you shoulder to shoulder as Ambassadors for Jesus Christ who is God over ALL (Rom. 9:5).
It is interesting, that Paul said, that he has espoused us to ONE bridegroom, meaning to ONE God (2 Cor. 11:2 'that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.'
But in the apostasy we can see that most churches who supposed to be the bride of the Lord Jesus Christ have an affair, a relationship with another god next to the Lord Jesus Christ, a god called Jehovah or Yahweh.
I wonder whether their clergy would know what spiritual adultery is?
Of course, that is a broad statement.
1# .They either believe that Jehovah ALONE is 'God', and Jesus is just a son (the Son of God), and they worship Jehovah.
2#. And then we have the trinitarians, who believe that the God of all creation is made up of three persons and all those three god-persons together are ONE God, or this one 'God' (whoever that may be) has revealed himself in three separate persons, and therefore they worship all three persons.
3#. And the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ believe that the God of the Bible and of all creation is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He alone is the Lord God Almighty who came in flesh and lived among us, and beside Him is NO other, therefore His disciples worship only Jesus Christ the Lord.
4#. However it is possible for some individuals to disregard 1#. 2#. and 3#. and believe in their own personal pet deity, the works of their hands, an imaginary god, or Satan etc.
And others might disregard any God or gods and claim that there is no God.
I agree with the Bible, the fool says in his heart, there is no God (Ps. 53:1).
So the question is, who do YOU worship??
The Lord Jesus Christ spoke through the mouth of the prophet Jeremiah saying (3:1), 'but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers.....' (the trinity, Jehovah, Yahweh, etc.), (v.14) 'for I am married unto you …...'(the bride of Christ), (v.19) 'and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.' (v.4) 'Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father?'
And the prophet Isaiah called the Lord Jesus Christ the everlasting Father (9:6).
Both spiritually and naturally nothing is considered worse than when a fathers own children acknowledge another to be their father (Jer. 3:19).
And also for a bridegrooms bride playing the harlot with many lovers (Jer. 3:1) the trinity, Jehovah,Yahweh, etc.
That alone is a good reason to turn away from any FALSE god and COME to JESUS Christ, He is the TRUE God and the LIVING God (Jer. 10:10).
Hi Paul,
have moved house, but having trouble with getting the phone line connected. Just popped into the library to check my e mails and decided to look at my blog. Have not got the time at the moment to have large discussion, but juts wanted to say that the way that I know what the Lord is telling me to do is that He speaks through His written word to me and often confirms it with signs.
Yes Brenda, that is good but not good enough.
We know that God speaks through His written Word, but to us it is better than that.
It is Jesus now who speaks to us face to face, just like He spoke to Moses on mount Sinai, but to us it is mount Zion.
Or don't you know that it is Jesus who has made His abode in us (John 14:23) and now speaks from within us? (2 Cor. 13:3)
Just think, would your earthly father speak to you through a book?
What about your heavenly Father (Jesus), isn't He capable to speak to you directly?
If He can speak through the mouth of a donkey, don't you think that He can speak to you through my mouth?
Hi Paul,
back on the internet now.
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, the One who said that the Father would send the Holy Spirit, the One Who is seated at the right hand of God, the One mediator between man and God. We who believe are the body of Christ on earth, having our minds renewed in Christ as we are taught by the Holy Spirit enlightening the scriptures. We are born of the Holy Spirit of God when we are born again, and are being taught by God by having our minds renewed in Christ Jesus (the Word).
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